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speedybenz
10-06-2003, 11:26 AM
Does anyone know what the actual wt of a C43 is? I see MB has it listed at 3448 lbs. Just want to know if this is a actual wt.

Thanks,
Jeff

CKlasse
10-07-2003, 11:23 AM
Jeff,

That's the curb wt I believe -- No fuel, spare tire, or driver! Correct me anyone?

98_Benzo
10-07-2003, 11:33 AM
This is what NADA had to say:

Weight: 3400

I don't know how they judge it though!!!

kameraguy
10-07-2003, 02:20 PM
Do truck weight stations ever entertain those who want to weigh their cars? That's one way to really know.

98_Benzo
10-07-2003, 02:35 PM
Do truck weight stations ever entertain those who want to weigh their cars? That's one way to really know.

That's a good question....alright Kam, your homework for tonight is to go to the nearest Weigh Station and see if they will let you weigh your car and report back to us...:D

kameraguy
10-07-2003, 02:37 PM
Hmmm, I tried but the CHP officer with the shotgun gave me a non-verbal "no-go" :p

Renn 208
10-07-2003, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by kameraguy
Hmmm, I tried but the CHP officer with the shotgun gave me a non-verbal "no-go" :p

I thought you stopped dating that guy months ago?:p

kameraguy
10-07-2003, 02:51 PM
Yea, I dumped him long ago...thought it was mutual....but I guess there are still hard feelings :p


But for real, a weight station would be perfect...though I wonder if they will allow the public to weigh their cars. I will try and find a phone number to ask :)

Otherwise...what other ways are there to measure the weight of a car?

kameraguy
10-07-2003, 02:52 PM
Hey guys, check this out. Sounds plausible:

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/4567/carexp.html

Denlasoul
10-07-2003, 03:37 PM
Do you guys have landfills out there? You know solid waste dumps, where they charge you by the pound. You could drive in, get your car weighed then turn around and leave (in the process having your car weighed again). Since there will be no difference in the incoming/outgoing car weight, you will not be charged. :)

DLS

CKlasse
10-07-2003, 03:44 PM
Back in the 1/4 mile days, Bandimere Speedway had car scale. It was free... I wonder if you could call your local tracks. At least they would know where to refer you to.

Good luck

speedybenz
10-08-2003, 10:37 AM
I went to a truck scale today and the average of 3 weights for the car are 3,245 lbs. Not too bad, I have removed 200lbs. I was hoping for 3,200. I will just have to look harder.

Front seats?

Jeff

CKlasse
10-08-2003, 11:07 AM
whats the weight lost to hp gain ratio again? You really need to dyno your car, Jeff!

Denlasoul
10-08-2003, 02:13 PM
I remember reading losing 6lbs is like gaining 1hp.

kameraguy
10-08-2003, 02:36 PM
Jeff, was it any hassle to get your car weighed at the station? Did you need to schedule it?

mis-u-jerr
10-16-2003, 12:14 AM
When I got mine, there was still a paper in the glove box from Germany, forgot the title of it, that I guess the dealer usually removes. It said 3295 LB, which I thought was rather svelte for an MB...

speedybenz
10-16-2003, 10:05 AM
I think that might be the weight of the car without gas, oil, water, etc. I know I have removed over 200 lbs off my car so I am pretty sure the weight with fluids is 3,450 lb +/-.

Looking hard at those heavy seats next.

Jeff

kameraguy
10-16-2003, 10:14 AM
I also hear Paint adds a bit of weight too....hmmm......:D

speedybenz
10-16-2003, 10:16 AM
You thinking the Deloren Look. Or however you spell it.

Dude, you are reading my mind.

Jeff

Brabus
10-16-2003, 10:56 AM
Windshield wiper could save some weight too!

Renn 208
10-16-2003, 12:54 PM
That's how the W25 gave birth to the silver arrow legend. Originally painted white, they were stripped down to bare AL to get to race weight:cool:

Can you imagine if the most popular MB today would've been white?

kameraguy
10-16-2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Renn 208
That's how the W25 gave birth to the silver arrow legend. Originally painted white, they were stripped down to bare AL to get to race weight:cool:

Can you imagine if the most popular MB today would've been white?

I would think if this was true, JRE would be in absolute heaven :p

c230kompresssed
11-03-2003, 07:23 AM
what about a 230k? Mine is listed at 3,200lbs +/- but since your "Big Bad V8" is at 3,245...my "Scrony Lil Four Banger" should be at like 2,900lbs...

speedybenz
11-03-2003, 08:18 AM
c230kompressed,

If you put lightweight wheels, light calipers, toss the exhaust muffler, spare tire, use Odessey battery, etc, you could get your car to 2,900 lbs.

It would be like adding 15Hp.

Jeff

c230kompresssed
11-03-2003, 08:39 AM
im saying a 43 should weigh a lot more than a 230k.

speedybenz
11-03-2003, 08:53 AM
It does weigh a lot more than a C230K when its stock. Some 250 lbs more. But don't forget your 4 banger has an iron cylinder block and that adds some weight.

I was saying that you can remove 200 lbs off your car too if you want to.

Jeff

c230kompresssed
11-03-2003, 09:05 AM
*Im talking stock weight, no mods.*

But I still think that a c43 engine will weigh out a 230k by a lot more than 250lbs....we shouldnt even be in the same lbs ranges..

basically what im saying, if my 230k is listed at 3,200lbs, im thinking the c43 is at least 3,600-4,000lbs.

speedybenz
11-03-2003, 09:29 AM
The engine blocks may not weigh that much different. Cast iron has a Specific gravity of around 7.1 while cast aluminum has a SpG of around 2.7. So 1 cubic foot of iron is 443 lbs while 1 cubic foot of alum is 168 pounds.

But MB USA lists the weight of a C43 at 3448 lbs if I recall. I don't know what they list for a wieght on the C230K.

You should go have your car weighed at some scales. Try a Gravel Mining company in your area. They would most likely do it for free and they have lots of certified scales.

Jeff

Denlasoul
11-03-2003, 11:42 AM
I've never seen a reporting of the C43 weight more than 3500lbs, actually no mre than 3450lbs.

The weights between the two cars are relatively close, alot closer than you may think.

edit: this is what MBUSA claims about the weight of the C43
Click me (http://www.mbusa.com/amg/specs.jsp?page=dimensions&model=99_C43S&modelsection=C&navsection=technical_data)

Also, isnt the actual weight of the car located somewhere on the stickers/stamps, like on the door jam or engine bay?

C280Sportster
11-03-2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by c230kompresssed
*Im talking stock weight, no mods.*

But I still think that a c43 engine will weigh out a 230k by a lot more than 250lbs....we shouldnt even be in the same lbs ranges..

basically what im saying, if my 230k is listed at 3,200lbs, im thinking the c43 is at least 3,600-4,000lbs.

Well, look at this, (Speedy, please read)...My first upgrade was going to be my wheels, I talked to speedy a lot about this, he helped me find a light weight wheels and even tires (you can save up to 5 pounds with the right tire, go figure).

So, I took out my full size spare (sport pkg rim) and it only weighed 36 pounds (16x7 205). So, I figured I would save no weight by upgrading my wheels and tires (to 17s 225/245), but i would get better handling...I still will do it, but now that I know I won't save any weight, that changes the wheels I'm going to buy, but that's another story.

If you look at the C43 wheels they probably weight over 50 pounds each.. So, that could be 70 pounds (or more) worthless wheel weight slowing down the C43, not including the spare (full size ?).

The C43 also holds more oil, has a tranny cooler, bigger gas tank, more spare plugs (hehe), and who knows what else. So, there might not be too much of a difference in engine weights.

Look how quick speedy's car is, and I'm sure those lighter wheels are helping (remember when we talked about sprung and unsprung wieghts.

speedybenz
11-03-2003, 04:29 PM
c230kompressor,

If you stay with 16" wheels you can get some SSR's like my comps that weigh around 11-12lbs, I think. So you could save some weight there and I considered this option also. With a nice set of 16"x8" wheels you could run some 235-245 tires and get them with a lower profile so it would gear your car to run harder.

Toss the resonator and just run a nice Magnaflow. That will drop another 30 to 40 lbs.

And the stock battery is a lead wt. I think mine was 55 lbs. While the PC925__ is 26 lbs.

Just some options.

Jeff

speedybenz
11-04-2003, 10:19 PM
I was doing some checking and if you ran 16"x8" SSR wheels then you could run some toyo ts-1 tires 225/40/16 which are only 23" in diameter. So the wheel/tire package would weigh 31 lbs which would be 5 lbs per wheel lighter than stock and approx. 8 percent higher geared for better acceleration.

The upgrade in tires and would really help the handling and let the engine do it's best. Worth a hard look in my book.

Jeff

C280Sportster
11-05-2003, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by speedybenz
I was doing some checking and if you ran 16"x8" SSR wheels then you could run some toyo ts-1 tires 225/40/16 which are only 23" in diameter. So the wheel/tire package would weigh 31 lbs which would be 5 lbs per wheel lighter than stock and approx. 8 percent higher geared for better acceleration.

The upgrade in tires and would really help the handling and let the engine do it's best. Worth a hard look in my book.

Jeff

How much more would this setup weigh if we used 17s ?

Can we still go for the gearing advantage ?

mis-u-jerr
11-05-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by speedybenz
...toyo ts-1 tires 225/40/16 which are only 23" in diameter
...and approx. 8 percent higher geared for better acceleration.
Jeff
But would this screw up the Cruise/traction control? (And of course the speedo/odo)

Renn 208
11-05-2003, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by mis-u-jerr
But would this screw up the Cruise/traction control? (And of course the speedo/odo)

As long as the RPM meter still works...I'm thinking they won't care!:p

speedybenz
11-05-2003, 12:02 PM
Yes you could go with 17" wheels but then the weight would be the same as stock. But you could have 17"x 8.5 all around and run 245/35/17 toyo ts-1. They are the only manufacturer I know that makes this size.

If you run them on all four corner the traction control and cruise control will still work correctly. And the 245's will fit in front. What seems to screw up the traction control and other functions is tires sizes that have a big difference in diameter between the front and rear of the car.

Jeff