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    Paul you get my message on your info page? I am soo bummed all my hard work is wasted. My poor ole' blue. =[

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    Yeh dude you should have got a response through? I'm bummed too it was a really nice 36,was my old flywheel still in it?
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    I'm using the club202 Mobil version and can't figure out how to send private messages. (Or I'm just retarded) I can only reply.

    But yea the flywheel/clutch is still in it, was set up for oversteer so that's exactly what it did, snapped around backwards, crossed 2 oncoming lanes and ended up a tree.

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    did you crash your c36?

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    No I sold it a few months ago, ill post a sep. thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagz View Post
    the C43 radiator I have has finer fins but they have been damaged by another owner whilst removing the viscous at some stage so would be nice to change it out.
    if you end up with a spare C43 radiator that doesn't leak, I'm in need of one...
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    Sulaco,
    Sure will let you know if I decide to sell!.

    Interesting thought for you guys, how much lubrication do valve guides need? they need some to prolong there life...but not too much or fouling and consumption occur.

    I didn't think too much of it whilst looking at these exhaust ports...
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    Then I saw these two and was like daaem!!!... my ocd means I'm going to have to do a seal job even if this is normal leakage ...they are not leaking equally^^
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    Last edited by Pagz; 01-05-2014 at 12:53 AM.
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
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    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    We were just arguing on valve lubrication with a customers extended warranty company! (10' Audi 2.0T engine failure)

    What are you worried about with those exhuast ports? You think valve seals are leaking? (I would argue with you on that)

    I wouldn't worry about any of the internals on a 113. Unless you have money burning lava out of your wallet!

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    Hit the nail on the head there, I think it looks minor too!!... but they are not leaking equally...seriously though I dont know if I can stop myself from replacing them haha(especially since the engine is out of the car)

    I read very little about valve seal jobs on the M112/M113 , rings seem to be another story,imo I think dino juice and extended intervals kill them quickly.

    The C43 blows a small amount of blue on startup ,there is evidence of oil on the lower threads of half the spark plugs, I will have the engine out for a look this week seals could be leaky and/or ring wear getting up there. ICM shows some monkey ran it for 30,000km's and then topped it up 3.5L. I use to get similar oil on the spark plugs of the c230 turbo..about 2 threads up when the rings would not bed in. anything below that burns off.

    No surprise the spark plugs on the CLk55 had no oil on the threads, the engine has been really well maintained.
    Last edited by Pagz; 01-15-2014 at 12:45 PM.
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    Another question I cant fathom...why when sealing the upper pan to crankcase did MB design it so that some of the bolt holes are inside the sealant?? There must be a good reason surely....please
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
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    Not sure what you mean by some bolt holes inside the sealant?

    Paul, throw that engine in and don't touch it. It's easily a 400k miles before you will find ring wear.

    Blue (possibly white) smoke on startup is normal with all the 113's we have, parking the cars in and out of our shop (extended stay vehicles) its carbon buildup from the engine not getting a good blast down the highway, just short start/stops aren't very good for the engine

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    Ok ok ok deep down I know your probably right =P but I'm definitely doing sump sealing,front and rear seals and checking chain stretch(when my locators finally arrive) ...Still debating the valve seals but I dont have the right compressor for it with heads on.

    I've heard the sticky rings issue before too most recommend a good thrashing!. I don't think this is the case on my C43, my money is on a worn chain causing my low rpm grumble and ticking noise in the higher rpm...will be super interesting to go over it when it's out this week.

    When running the new bead of 5970 around the upper oil pan, there is 9 bolts which are oil side of the seal and the rest are outside, I guess I will need to seal the bolts otherwise it will leak from the bolt holes like my C43 does!

    Also do you guys use 5900 instead of 5970 over there? I can get 5900 so much cheaper here just wondering how comparable it is to the genuine MB stuff.
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    arh, disregard, I didn't realize the bolts lead inside the lower sump
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    What's 5970 / 5900?

    We use the MB sealant that requires the MB sealant gun.

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    And a lot of the "ticking noise" is weak cam followers. I've had that on my c36, it would especially get loud at the track where running through constant turns dried up the valve train as well as oil losing viscosity.

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    According to epc 5970 is the MB sealant. unconfirmed but I've read some MB dealerships use 5900 in place of this, I guess this was not the case for you?

    Still waiting to here back about the caulking gun, when I purchased 5970 from MB last time I used a large washer to mount the 50ml cartidge into a regular 300ml gun, it worked ok but the proper tool would be much better.

    Hmm weird thing about my ticking noise is it gets quieter as the oil thins up , is only audible above 2500rpm and it gets louder until rpm limit. The grumbling noise <1500 is always there. Clk55 didn't sound anything like this.
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    Ill check the p/n when I get to work tomorrow. I have the p/n on the gun also, ill snap a pic for you

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    Awsome ,thanks!
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    As i know; [[59xxx & 69xxx & 89xxx & 99xxx]],

    all these #s refers to the companies which they got a contract with MB to producing all kind of sealant components.....

    ZAYED,,

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    P/n on the gun is 112 589 00 25 00

    Silicone I forgot to check as I've ran out the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemoLexi View Post
    P/n on the gun is 112 589 00 25 00

    Silicone I forgot to check as I've ran out the other day.
    If you mean an original MB sealant,

    it comes with "003 989 98 20/10"

    ZAYED,,

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    Remo,
    Thanks! One of the local dealers finally got back to me and I've ordered the caulking gun, it is the same part number you have!

    Zayed,
    That's the stuff, in WIS it is also referenced as Loctite 5970, which would be great if sold locally but no...only over in UK..

    A little more detail on the CLK55 conversion,
    I pulled the C43 motor, there is zero oil from the valve seals at 95km's,even if the seals on the 5.4 are minor they are beginning to fail so will definitely do them.

    Now that the C43 is stripped and dash is out I've had the tunnel add-ons side by side and it is easily doable,the updated sound deadening and cable trays all slide right in. The diff recess should fit fine also, ironically the sound deadening above is pre-cut for this diff recess in the boot,so MB knew this would be fitted to the CLK55/C55 boot well before 98!.
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    The prop shaft uses same diameter flexi's but with the 4-finger, I find it hard to see how this would be any more durable than the 3 finger,maybe its not for durability but rather less flex!.
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    Even though the shaft and spline size is same, the universal is larger in the CLk55.
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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
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    Also,epc is a bit vague with which 202 uses the internal trans cooler,part search shows ti was fitted to 093 C43, C43 direct search shows not fitted. what I do know is there is not enough room to bolt the upper hose in my 99 C43. Maybe only few late 202 had cut out for this. Given the C43 cooler is perfect for the job I will install blanks on the internal cooler.
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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
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    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Paul,

    Prefer if you can go with separator trans. air cooler, to avoid big headache from oil water mixture could

    happen in future....

    ZAYED,,

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    a lot has happened here Paul!!
    congrats on the CLK55 donor car, its been a long time coming!!
    Just curious to know if that CLK55 rear subframe will fit?
    I would run a separate trans oil cooler as well.. the one in the rad is sufficient, however an aftermarket cooler core would probably do more good to cool than the stock small one. and you have no worries about leaking coolant into trans fluid (although i think that was only on a few of the older rads).
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