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    Plug and play but the self-leveling isn't prewired that I can see, so I will dig into that soon too!

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    I have a 2007 C230 with halogens so this is very good to know....Thanks!
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    Thank you for the references.

    I thought I was going to have my Neon race car out of here last Thursday, but it came back with electrical/PCM issues I need to resolve.

    Just wanted say say think you for posting the pics and info. I will be getting to it in due time.

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    If you want you can have the old 203 3.46 diff to tinker with before you buy one

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemoLexi View Post
    If you want you can have the old 203 3.46 diff to tinker with before you buy one
    I might take you up on that depending on what it cost to ship a brick...lol (92683) You have any idea? It certainly would make my life easier then going to sort through a junk yard- I cringe at the though. Getting too old to be excited about crap like that anymore. I would rather pay shipping.

    A buddy of mine just bought a C240 yesterday I was going to try and measure next time I see him, but having one in had to mock up would be beneficial. Ive been keeping my eye out for a cheap rear subframe also.

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    You are in SoCal somewhere? Let me know as you get closer to your project and whatever other parts you need and we'll figure it out. I know my wife and I do have vacation coming up this summer possibly SoCal (like last year). Shipping that useless part will cost too much.

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    North Huntington Beach area. I agree, that's why I called it a brick. Lol

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    Well after enquiring about a 3.4 diff from my local wrecker and get told they wanted ~$550 for it. I've managed to find 2 diff's on the other side of the country shipped to me for $280.

    They're not desired 3.4 or 3.6, rather 3.2 and 3.9. But it'll will give me a chance to see what they're like

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    I am re-opening this thread. I just message Russell for info on this finally. I am pulling the car off the street for probably 6 months on thursday (placing registration into Non-op) and tearing the motor apart for a rebuild. I have developed an oil leak in the head and valve cover and in light of the recent harness replacement and currently pulling the intake manifold off to get down to the CPS for a no start condition after said new harness install, I figured why not just tear the whole thing apart and do it right now since Im already into it. Went out Sunday and bought the wife a new Mini Cooper S to drive daily, this car will retire into a part time car for more special outings. Time to build the motor. I also have requests out to a few of the cam vendors as well as supersprint for pricing and availability of performance parts. Time to bump up this cars performance level to match the looks.

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    ANd now of course I am seeing the 7g-tronic auto trans that looks even more desireable. It has gear ratios that are compatible with me leaving the 3.07's in the rear as optimum. The AMG uses a 3.06 with this 722.9 trans.

    7G TRONIC 4.38/ 2.86/1.92/1.37/1/ .82/.73 Rearend- 3.06

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    When my trans went out I contemplated contacting these guys for a new trans. Maybe they have some insight. IPT - Mercedes Performance Transmissions
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    My message and his response- doesn't sound promising. I do not like the idea I have to try some kind of tuning on my own to make things compatible. Not spending 1200 on a crap shoot computer setup along with another 2500 for the trans and shifter parts etc. An OEm replacement is just looking easy at this point. WOud spend the money in a heartbeat if it was just a bolt in application and plug the TCU into it, not the case it appears.

    [..."I really only supply the tcm package. I can help with what you will need overall though.
    So to start the tcm package starts at 1200.00. This includes the tcm, harness, speed sensor kit and software. I also include a starter calibration. The harness is comlplete to the transmission but unterminated for wiring to the vehicle. Engine sensors and shifter will have to be wired.
    What you need. Transmission, converter, shifter, possibly driveshaft. If the driveshaft is needed it should be pretty easy to find a c230 with a .6 one to use.
    You will also need to modify the shift linkage but again since the car did come with a .6 you could probably just source the linkage from one that had it.
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    you will need to tap the tps, and rpm from the engine harness. Wire to the shifter. Set up the sensors and the shifter in the calibration and also tire size and diff ratio. Then you should be able to go for a test drive and begin tuning.
    I provide support but it is limited. I normally will make sure that you have everything setup properly and then explain the tuning process and then it is mostly up to you. If you are having problems and need help you can send me a current calibration and a datalog of the problem you are having and I will look at it and help out but I cannot tune it for you. If it is really off the I can make some changes to the calibration and send it back but a lot of it is feel.
    I am switching over to a new tcm and it is a bit more complicated in some ways but it is much better as an overall product. So I might have something that will work with very little adjustment.

    On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:15 PM, <sakeed123@aol.com> wrote:
    Hi Russell, your name was given to me from a few guys on Club202 forum. I happen to be one of their moderators as well on th suspension board but am not a computer guy by any means.

    What I am interested in is swapping a later model 5 sp auto into my 1994 c220 (U.S. spec car. I live in Southern California)Current have of course the 722.4 4sp trans and would like to upgrade to the 722.6 5sp. I am told by a few of the guys that this requires a stand alone TCU and that you are the guy to talk to if this is possible for my application?

    If so, what can you offer me in parts, technical assistance, and price? WOuld like to know if you think future change to a 3.67 diff from the current 3.07 would lead to future issues also with trans programming?

    This car is going into non-op tomorrow and going onto jack stands for probably 4-6 months. I will be tearing the drivetrain apart with a complete motor rebuild and would like to change the trans during this time as well (whether it be the OEM replacement of hopefully this upgrade to a 5sp auto)


    Thank you, Dean..."}
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    One thing I am not keen on is these self proclaimed tuner specialist experimenting with everyone elses cars. I see a video of him on youtube with his own Mercedes where he describes screwing up his own motor at one point.. I did this route with a Edelbrock years ago on a MPFI intake manifold that to this day never ran correctly. Just another snake oil salesman that is guessing at stuff and taking everyones money in the process. Not mine- I'm not your guinea pig.

    Now if someone that does have a clue would take one of these electronic trans and turn it into a simple stand alone setup like what guys have done for years now with the 4l60E setups in hot rods- we'd have something. These applications have absolutely 0 to do with engine management and tuning. They are strictly self sufficient modules that drive the trans shifting solenoids wia governor or paddle shifter choice with gear selector mode.

    example- and at half the price because its not from what some asshole thinks is a for a "luxury/expensive" style car that everyone that owns one can throw money away at.
    http://www.tciauto.com/tc/ez-tcutm-t...85e-to-09html/
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    One thing I've learned since joining this scene and looking into modding MB's, is that everyone can claim they can do it but whether or not it works properly is a different story.

    Although I hate the idea of dropping tons of money on mods, the trusted tuners cost so much for a reason.

    edit: Dean, great post. It's nice to read up and see the steps of how to do things properly. I think many people would go the easy route and throw money around and then complain on why something doesnt work.
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    I have extensive experience modifying cars in life over the past 40 years since I was almost 10 years old. I grew up around it and even prior to 10 years old I was a professional flash light holder for my father since I could walk. With that said, the curse of the auto industry has been computer controls. The big companies guard this stuff with there life and form what I know there is probabgly about 100 people in this world that work for the big companies that really know what they are doing, the millions of other "so called auto tuner experts" spend the last 2 to 3 decades trying to figure out how this stuff all works and can not because of how these major companies actually code this software- point is, none of these guys now how to get it right. If they do something them self from scratch then yes, but taping into the major network like Gm or Mercedes or Ferrari, etc??? THey have no clue and are toying with codes that they have no idea how they compute- they do not have the language and never will. How do I know this? I have a twin brother that writes in C++ and is an Avionics specialist for decades. You take a large company like the one I mentioned Edelbrock- With all the reputation and money Edelbrock has, they could not even tap into the GM computer language and get the MPFI intake manifold to run properly off of GM's factory ECM's with their own Edelbrock experts reprogramming the units. They finally had to scrap the entire idea and get out of that field of modifications of vehicle specific applications- they now only sell stand alone fuel injection units that they finally after ears of experimenting just wrote in their own language.

    A word of caution to anyone reading this- If someone tells you you have to tap into a factory ECM/ECU etc and have to fine tune things? Don't f'ing waste your money with this two bit cowboy's lies claiming he's an expert. They will all lie or they will fess up like this Russell did and basically back door tell you they don't know actually what the fuck they are doing. It's sad that crooks like this try to take money from people knowing they are not the expert they portray to others they are ...just to make a buck.

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    This is Russell.
    I am not sure what your problem is. But I am not trying to sell you anything and if it is not what you want or are capable of that is fine. I have sold over 100-150 of these to people all over the world. I have repeat customers and businesses that use this system in repeat vehicles. It is not a plug and play system and that is what it is. Transmission tuning is not a one size fits all setup. There are many variables that make each car different. There is no way to integrate a system that was not in your car originally without wiring. Accessing the necessary sensors is required. And is done all the time without problems.
    I am completely honest about the system up front so if it is not for you then that is ok. I probably send more customers away than I sell to.
    As far as me having engine failure with my personal car. Sure. I custom made a supercharger system for a car and tuned it and made a lot of power. I do not sell that kit or would I as a plug and play setup as well. I broke stock pistons and have since upgraded to custom forged pistons. It made it a long time as a stock engine and has had no problems since the current build and has many passes down the drag strip and makes over 500hp.
    The price of my system is not marked up beyond the standard PCS kits. It just requires some additional parts than a 4l series transmission and I sell those for basically just over cost to reduce my support and make things easier for people. It is a standalone system similar to a standalone engine management such as Motec, Electromotive, AEM, etc. And no one buys one of those as a plug in play setup with no tuning or wiring required. That is the whole point. I could provide a locked down tune for these but it would be very firm shifts and set shift points and it would also pretty much require a known transmission setup such as a factory rebuild transmission that I know the parameters for.
    If the car was in front of me at my shop I could install the system and transmission and have it up and running and driving in a couple of days. So I do think that saying that I am experimenting on other peoples cars is not correct or in anyways a fair assessment.
    Finally I am sorry that you are disappointed that it is not what you want but if you or anyone has any questions feel free to ask via email or please check out my Facebook page for client cars for happy customers or simply do a search online for happy customers. Peachparts has several threads from some recent clients that are very happy.
    But like I said it is not for everyone.

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    Hi Russell, Your email response made it sound like things are extremely vague and that every car is different- interpreted as It's worked for some applications so with that said its a crap shoot and up to you to get it to work for your application. "A starter calibration" makes it sound very amatuer hence why I am so critical. I asked about a stand alone management system and yes you were honest it does not stand alone- there is tapping into the MB system and adjusting settings which I am not keen on doing at all if this requires any kind of intermediate experience with tuning- not my forte' (40 years hot rodding cars tells me if I have not learned it yet I will most likely never).

    What puzzles me now is you say in your response that you COULD build a plug and play trans module that would have lock down shift points, then you also say you've dealt with 100-150 of these things- so do you have the experience or not to build one as you put it "locked down tune that shifts firm"? Not many variations to the 722.6 just like there are not many variations to the 4L60E. Whats so hard in making pressure shift points that are fixed like the GM guys do. If it's too firm then I could see sending it back to you to lower or even increase (if too low shift or too soft) but the line pressures would not be that great a difference with 100+ different applications of the same stock transmission.

    I am not an expert in this field, I am however and expert in many other things in life and when I do sell a goods or service I am much more covered on an all inclusive package for my customers- otherwise, if I can't provide a full package then I do not deal with half a job.

    Let me ask you an honest question and please give an honest answer- Out of those lets say 100 units you've sold to people around the world, How many of those were NOT successful? (that is "what my problem is" to answer your question)

    Dean

    edit: lets make sure we keep this in the correct tone here. I am not trying to be an ass, What I am doing here is trying to make sure I spend my hard earned money on something that works. Lets please continue this discussion with respect and please if you are coming into here selling a product then this is your opportunity to assure myself and other reading that we have the confidence to use your product. I did state I am a rookie when it comes to computer program controls on a car. I am however a professional in many aspects of motorsport including both mechanics and racing(driving)- so this is by far not my first rodeo.

    So we continue here on the correct foot, Let me introduce myself. Hi I'm Dean (Im in the blue shirt)
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    It will work with pretty much any setup. But the truth is there are literally a ton of different transmissions from Mercedes. Two different ratio sets and within those many different valve bodies, clutch pack setups etc. Dodge valve bodies are different than Mercedes. Now take in variances on used transmissions or a rebuild. Clearances on the clutch packs. Number of clutches, Double sided vs single sided frictions. Look up on the EPC and you can see how many variances there are. I have seen probably 10-20 different clutch pack assemblies for a single element.
    Now down to tuning. Ok. So you have a 2.3l gas engine that makes lets say 150hp. Using MAP or using TPS as an input. I tune for that in a specific chassis, gear set MPH shift points etc. Now take that same tune and put a 5.7l engine in front of it that makes 300-400hp. Or a 800-1000 hp application or more. Or change a mph shift point by a fair amount and the load changes. Change the weight of the vehicle by 500-1000lbs. Change the gear ratios from 2.73 gears to a 3.46. All of this is going to change how the shifts work. If I set it up with a locked tune and had to error on the harsh shifts then it would be brutally hard for the 2.3l gas engine c class and decent for the 5.7l application. There are just to many variables. You even have to account for engine mass. A rotating assembly at 0 load with have a big effect on a shift.
    Now your 4l60-80 etc. Is a very different transmission and comparing it to a 722.6 is not realistic. The 722.6 is a sequential shift valve body and uses a clutch to clutch strategy for shifting. Tuning is completely different. I would have to give a class on the differences. But basically in the .6 we do not really use line pressure. We have working pressure and that is the closest thing to line. It is the pressure from which all other pressures are derived. And is what is applied to a non shifting clutch pack. A shift is controlled by two pressures. Modulator and Shift pressure. There are two solenoids that we control for this. The modulator pressure also controls the working pressure. So a shift begins by activating the shift solenoid. This moves a valve in the valve body to allow shift pressure to be able to go to the on coming clutch. A balance of the shift presure, modulator pressure and the off coming clutch pressure work on what is called the overlap control valve. This controls the drain rate on the off coming clutch. Shift pressure applies the oncoming clutch. Depending on the apply rate we want a different amount of off rate. Even a small change in a cars setup can make these pressures off.

    As far as making a plug and play kit for a 202 chassis. I could do this. If I had a car and set the parameters myself. I could easily sell that as a repeat kit. But that would be for a specific engine and gear set etc. I just need a car and the money. But I am not going to invest in this myself.

    As for how many of my customers have been successful. I would say the overwhelming majority. I have maybe had a couple that got in over their heads. I try to help as much as I can and have gotten most through the process. But I have had a couple that just needed someone else to do it for them that understood wiring and how to use a computer. I can really only thing of 2-3 max that were unable or unwilling to do what I asked for to help them.

    To the idea that I am going to do the tuning for you if you want it adjusted. I can do that. It justs costs more money. I can fly down and do the install and tune it for you if you would like. I charge 700.00 a day plus travel expenses. It normally takes me a couple of days to really dial in a car to be nice to drive after the install. I do this and can work via email and datalogs. I simply do not make enough on the product to spend more than a couple of hours on the sale and customer support. I have spent way more than that with some and generally look at it like an average. I may have 10 customers that really did not need any help and then one that needs a lot. But I have to call it after so much. Or we are not getting anywhere. I really do this because I like it. I have a regular business and this takes away from that sometimes. I got into it for my own car and it grew from there. There is no business model here that makes any sense and if that is all it was then no one would offer this for this transmission.

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    As far as being civil. I came here and joined this forum to respond to you saying some pretty awful things about me and what I do. And as far as I can tell you were simply mad that I told you upfront what the product is so you could make an intelligent decision and would know going in what you were getting involved in and that did not meet your expectations. I did not sell it to you and then say tough, that is the way it is or anything of the sort. Like I said it is not for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGA View Post
    As far as being civil. I came here and joined this forum to respond to you saying some pretty awful things about me and what I do. And as far as I can tell you were simply mad that I told you upfront what the product is so you could make an intelligent decision and would know going in what you were getting involved in and that did not meet your expectations. I did not sell it to you and then say tough, that is the way it is or anything of the sort. Like I said it is not for everyone.

    If you read what I wrote I did not attack you. I said YOU fessed up and were honest about it from the getgo that it is not plug and play. I had a general statement to anyone following this thread about "watch who you trust in tuning" because Ive seen many people lie about experience over the years. COULD I HAVE WORDED THAT BETTER>>>YES. I am know for abrupt language in my personal life and that spills over in forums where I need to realise it is interpreted in various ways. As for selling something you have to babysit? I think it is your responsibility to give proper support and if you do not then I will not buy a product- that is both of our choices in life we will simply have to respect each others choice. Thank you for your response.

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    Russel. Russell, Russell. Where do we stand now? Knowing what I have now discovered- You are in fact a snake oil salesman. You come into here chanting how once someone does not know how to configure your product that you assure them, just as you are trying to do to me, that most everyone that has dealt with this can handle it which is far from the case. Fast is only you can configure the system you wrote yourself but you sell it KNOWING someone is then at your mercy for $700 per day (Are you a lawyer?) plus travel expenses (you are worse then a lawyer) you have them hooked because they do not understand your code language which you hook and bait people into. Like I said, your stuff needs a babysitter that is charging lawyers wages- Crook. Figure it out, make it work, then come back and sell it AFTER you figure out what Ole accomplished and copy him. You have a very nice "looking" system just as I described Edelbrock did as well, but mentioned where that got people- no where but lighter pockets.

    You come into here chanting what is my problem knowing full well this video is out there . Your stuff is far too expensive in the long run and complicated yet you are trying to sell it still to unwary people foolishly trusting you. Not me partner. I am usually not this harsh, but now you deserve this and am quite lucky you live far enough from me to toss you into a dumpster.

    The guy on this video is being "nice" about describing how he wasted his time with Russell's PCM2000- and yes Rodney found another far better option that did not require brain surgery to install and configure at 40% the cost of your abortion that he could never get to work.

    Tell where I am wrong Russell? Careful now, Im a big mean fucking guy that dislikes liars partner.

    People- here is a far better solution that actually works- Take 14mins of your life and educate yourself on Russell's product deficiency that this poor guy will never get his money back from Russell.
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    http://ofgear.dk/index.html

    and like I stated in an earlier post. I'm not your guinea pig. Be your own guinea pig Russell. Once you figure out an inclusive package like OLED did, then come back and sell it. Your stuff is half ass right now. So were clear, I don;t hide behind a computer. Im the big SOB on the left and I am easily found at my home track Toyota Speedway In so Calif as well as I travel to many major tracks across the US as a professional. I will bid you caution on what you say here cowboy, I just may be in your town one day soon. Nothing I hate more in internet forums then false or misleading info and people knowingly trying to sell crap that people can not use properly. I already know who you are so I suggest you crawl back into the hole you came from and not respond here. Your next $700 trip just may be to one of my friends house somewhere in this country.


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    I do not understand you. I did not bait anyone and especially not you. You got the pertinent information about the product and decided it was not for you. That is fine. But you are saying that I tried the opposite. Which I did not. I give everyone the same info and more so they can decide what to do and if they are comfortable. Normally including the software and a calibration etc. to review before the purchase.
    I have traveled 2 times for clients. They were just those people. They had the money and did not have the knowledge and new it going in. Good luck to you. I would not sell you anything and I can not understand why you would say things about my product that you have never used and know nothing about. And Ole copied my product by the way. I sold him a controller that he used for several years and he then made his own. He is a very smart guy but by no means is what he is doing anywhere near as sophisticated as what I sell. He has his niche and good for him. But I get his customers asking questions all the time and one of the main things is they can not tune it to be civil to drive.
    As far as the Rodney fellow yes he was one of the couple people I mentioned. He was simply unwilling to do anything for me to help him. I sent him several emails asking for a datalog of his problems and sent him a modified calibration file for the 1st one he sent me. He never responded. Like I said I cannot help everyone and I feel really bad when someone is in over their head because I try and make sure that I make it very clear to people about what it entails. But you will always be able to find people that are unhappy with anything. I can tell you honestly though that he did not let me help him. Or ask for help after the 1st datalog.
    As far as my rate yes. I have a business. I charge a reasonable fee. Look into what other people charge for tuning services. And I wish a lawyer was only 100.00 an hour.
    Good luck to you and please refrain from speaking about me or my product in the future it is obviously not for you and since you have never seen it or used it there is no way for you to intelligently speak about it or compare it to any other product. But if you are in the Pacific Northwest at a race track please give me a yell. I would be happy to give you a ride in one of my cars and we do testing down in Portland on some pretty fast cars and I could show you what we are doing. I can also show you the difference in tunes for the cars I have done. In fact you can see on my facebook page as I provided an example to explain to people the differences a few years back between and N/A car and a turbo car.

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    Definitely now seriously looking at doing something more like this.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/GETRAG-238-2...-/282003776763

    A lot more respectable and functional as a sports car since it is only a 4 banger if I can get the Catcams and get this thing up to about 200hp with a six sp. If it were not for the BRABUS full body package, I would dump this car since it is no longer needed ( was the wife's daily commuter) I am a huge fan of lightweight power plants for handling purposes since I built his suspension I would like to take this car into another direction for a weekend driver hitting the town.(strickly for my driving only- wife does not drive manuals). I am really surprised the attention this little luxury box gets especially since I live in probably the luxury car capital of the world with high dollar cars everywhere- it is rare to have a car that you pull up to a light and no one else has. With that said, I find the thought of just selling it something I think I would regret regardless of my current stable of cars. I have connections of compliance law so building a car that falls under compliance laws is not a problem in the event I loose connections or laws get more strict. note this is not nor ever will be a "Race car", It is intended for street use only so 8000 hp is not required (as is the same even for my race cars since I actually prove time and time again I can win in anything (arrogant? yes, but factual as well) I just like a car that another one just like it will never pull up next to you at a stop light.

    It is based on the motor parts at this point. If that goes through then Im looking to put a clutch into it.- other wise, a straight rebuild and a fresh 722.4 and leave it be for the wife's alternative vehicle.
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