97' C230 ??
K1 Motorsport presents ECU tuning for W202 AMG engines powered by SpeedInnovation.
1998-1999 C43 AMG
93 RON: 27hp, 24lb-ft gains
91 RON: 21hp, 18lb-ft gains
1997 C36 AMG
93 RON: 24hp, 25lb-ft gains
91 RON: 19hp, 19lb-ft gains
1995-1996 C36 AMG
93 RON: 24hp, 25lb-ft gains
91 RON: 18hp, 19lb-ft gains
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97' C230 ??
Do you have numbers based on 91 PON? Also, is there any kind of performance guarantee? Would you happen to have any dynos available?
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Yes! I'd be happy to be the dyno car for your product. Already have a recent baseline.Originally posted by Renn 208
Do you have numbers based on 91 PON? Also, is there any kind of performance guarantee? Would you happen to have any dynos available?
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27 hp is a huge gain, im skeptikal until i see dyno or a guarantee!
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99' C230K?? not that I could energize my car over to americaOriginally posted by RemoLexi
97' C230 ??
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Ditto.Originally posted by Renn 208
Do you have numbers based on 91 PON? Also, is there any kind of performance guarantee? Would you happen to have any dynos available?
97 C230Originally posted by RemoLexi
97' C230 ??
91 RON: 13hp, 16lb-ft gains
Price: $299.99
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Yes, revised the initial post with 91/93 PON. We offer 7-day money back guarantee.Originally posted by Renn 208
Do you have numbers based on 91 PON? Also, is there any kind of performance guarantee? Would you happen to have any dynos available?
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is this a plug and play unit? or do we have to send our ECU to you to be reprogrammed?Originally posted by K1 Motorsport
91 RON: 13hp, 16lb-ft gains
Price: $349.99
You need to send ECU to us to get programmed.Originally posted by OCKlasse
is this a plug and play unit? or do we have to send our ECU to you to be reprogrammed?
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what is the turn around time?Originally posted by K1 Motorsport
You need to send ECU to us to get programmed.
If you are local from Los Angeles area, it will be done on the same day. If you are shipping the ECU to us, it is normally sent back to you on the next business day.Originally posted by OCKlasse
what is the turn around time?
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i speculate these types of gains would need to be tuned on a dyno. are you guys using a generic ECU program from a tuned car to yield "expected results", or do you actually read the stored fuel map, and tuned based per ECU.
if it's the later route, this is a pretty good deal for custom tuning, because it wouldn't be limited to stock hardware (exhaust, cams, intake etc), however it stil lwouldn't produce the optimum results as being tuned on a dyno.
Looking at the SpeedInnovations site, looks like cookie cutter ecu tuning.
I do not think you can get true dyno ecu optimization for ~$500.
What Kind Of Effects On Gas Mileage Would Be Expected?
Can You Tune Say, A 98 C280? What Kind Of Gains Would Be Noticeable There?
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This is complete custom tuning. It is most expected and helpful if a customer sends a true dyno along with the ECU. Otherwise, we'll go by what we see inside the ECU because we don't cookie cut.Originally posted by Denlasoul
Looking at the SpeedInnovations site, looks like cookie cutter ecu tuning.
I do not think you can get true dyno ecu optimization for ~$500.
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98 C280Originally posted by Fizzle
What Kind Of Effects On Gas Mileage Would Be Expected?
Can You Tune Say, A 98 C280? What Kind Of Gains Would Be Noticeable There?
91 RON: 15hp, 13lb-ft gains
Price: $299.99
Yes, you will notice the gains.
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I've read that custom tuning is performed on the dyno, to give real-time data analysis. You can monitor everything: air fuel ratio, load bearing, etc etc. This method gives full spectrum of scenarios and allows the programmer to account for changes.Originally posted by K1 Motorsport
This is complete custom tuning. It is most expected and helpful if a customer sends a true dyno along with the ECU. Otherwise, we'll go by what we see inside the ECU because we don't cookie cut.
I cannot see how you can do custom tuning without the dyno, and as you said for this product it is not necessary. That in itself confuses me.
Im not knocking the product at all, but want to make sure everyone is fully informed of what is being presented.
I'm always skeptical about simple ECU 'remapping'. The engine can and will only run at the fuel/air ratio dictated by the O2 sensor. Any attempt to vary this by telling the ECU to interpret the signal differently or compensate somehow will result in 1) raw, unburned fuel entering the catalyst and trashing it or 2) lean burn, resulting in trashed pistons. You cannot and should not vary this optimum ratio. Race vehicles with no catalyst are a different matter.
Normally, all a reworked ECU (no dyno optimization) will consist of is more aggressive timing map throughout the RPM range. This is guaranteed to cause problems in hot weather as AMG is already pushing the timing under a lot of circumstances to the point where the knock sensors must pull it back. Reliance on the knock sensors ALL the time will cause knocking in hotter conditions that can't be gotten rid of (the C36 already does this by the way) as the sensors can only compensate just so much.
If you run more aggressive timing in very cold ambient temperatures, you might see a slight gain, but to guarantee overall gains under all conditions is not realistic, and to guarantee it with no dyno optimization on a particular vehicle is equally unrealistic.
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We can do the same thing during a road tune. Which is why any included dyno benefits you even more. Might as well go with Powerchip and question how they tune your car also. It's to the consumer's advantage to bring a printout of a dyno and mail it with the ECU. If not, we essentially "touch up what's missing" and tune with whatever we have to work with, including what we actually see coming from your ECU.
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how much for 97 c280, its the m104 engine, can you do ron 93 for it?
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It should be similar to 1998 C280 posted earlier if not the same.Originally posted by Ashkan's C280
how much for 97 c280, its the m104 engine, can you do ron 93 for it?
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We all know claims on software are BS, thats just the way the industry works. 10-12 wheel HP is about the max you can get on any AMG engine with software (unless its supercharged of course). AMG already has tuned these cars so well on the software side theres really nothing more to be had with software alone.
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I'm sorry I can't answer all of your questions since I do not know the details of ECU programming. That is done by SpeedInnovation, NOT US. I'm just offering a reputable ECU tuning company other than PowerChip. This thread is meant to let members know what's out there at a competitive rate and yet retain same results.
If you want to get all technical and discourage this thread, please contact ECU tuning company directly and they'll be happy to answer all the questions you may have.
Originally posted by benzfan
I'm always skeptical about simple ECU 'remapping'. The engine can and will only run at the fuel/air ratio dictated by the O2 sensor. Any attempt to vary this by telling the ECU to interpret the signal differently or compensate somehow will result in 1) raw, unburned fuel entering the catalyst and trashing it or 2) lean burn, resulting in trashed pistons. You cannot and should not vary this optimum ratio. Race vehicles with no catalyst are a different matter.
Normally, all a reworked ECU (no dyno optimization) will consist of is more aggressive timing map throughout the RPM range. This is guaranteed to cause problems in hot weather as AMG is already pushing the timing under a lot of circumstances to the point where the knock sensors must pull it back. Reliance on the knock sensors ALL the time will cause knocking in hotter conditions that can't be gotten rid of (the C36 already does this by the way) as the sensors can only compensate just so much.
If you run more aggressive timing in very cold ambient temperatures, you might see a slight gain, but to guarantee overall gains under all conditions is not realistic, and to guarantee it with no dyno optimization on a particular vehicle is equally unrealistic.
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