Reply With QuoteYOu know, when AMG started using forced inductin I sort of thought they lost that magic. Looks like its back!
someone needs to put this in their 202:
The World's Most Powerful Normally Aspirated Eight-Cylinder Engine Made by Mercedes-AMG
Mercedes-AMG has taken a completely new departure: the new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine is the first in the world to combine the high-revving concept with a large displacement. Developed entirely by AMG, this high-performance engine has a displacement of 6.3 litres and generates an output of 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm, plus a maximum torque of 630 Newton metres, which makes the new power pack by AMG the world’s most powerful naturally aspirated eight-cylinder production engine. Thanks to its large displacement, the V8 by AMG develops around 20 percent more torque than comparable naturally aspirated engines in this performance class.
Made completely from high-strength aluminium, this naturally aspirated V8 engine has a wealth of exciting features derived from motorsport, and impressively documents the successful motor racing history of AMG. Together with a variable intake manifold featuring two integral throttle flaps, the vertical arrangement of the intake and exhaust ducts ensures perfect cylinder charging. Bucket tappets in the cylinder heads allow a stiff valve train and therefore high engine speeds. Variable camshaft adjustment, a particularly rigid closed-deck crankcase and cylinder walls with a new, revolutionary LDS coating are further attributes of this ultra-modern V8 engine made by Mercedes-AMG.
The high expectations of AMG customers and the impressive history of AMG eight-cylinder engines were both an incentive and an obligation for the engineers and product planners at Mercedes-AMG GmbH to come up with a superlative new V8 power unit. A mere glance at the key technical data shows that this has been achieved: from a displacement of 6208 cubic centimetres, the AMG V8 aluminium engine develops a peak output 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm and a maximum torque of 630 Newton metres which is available from 5200 rpm. The maximum engine speed is 7200 rpm.
Keys figures at a glance:
Displacement: 6208 cc
Bore/stroke: 102.2/94.6 mm
Compression ratio: 11.3 : 1
Output: 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm
Max. torque: 630 Nm at 5200 rpm
This unique combination of a fast-running concept and a large displacement achieves the best of both worlds: exhilarating flexibility accompanied by high torque at low engine speeds. The driver experiences the decidedly sporty character of the engine in the form of great agility and dynamic responsiveness in all engine speed ranges. The new AMG V8 already delivers 500 Newton metres to the crankshaft at 2000 rpm, while the maximum of 630 Newton metres is on tap at 5200 rpm – more than any other naturally aspirated engine in this output and displacement class. In short, the new AMG eight-cylinder guarantees dynamic acceleration, rapid intermediate sprints and sheer driving pleasure at the highest level.
Completely autonomous development from Affalterbach
In design terms the new eight-cylinder engine by Mercedes-AMG is the first completely autonomous development to have no features or shared parts whatsoever in common with other eight-cylinder units by Mercedes-Benz. The new 6.3-litre unit differs from the other AMG V8 engines based on Mercedes designs in the distance between cylinders, the crankcase concept, the sophisticated intake and exhaust manifolds and the valve train; the bore/stroke ratio is also a completely new departure for Mercedes-AMG.
The new powerpack is produced at the ultra-modern AMG engine workshops, according to the "one man, one engine" philosophy. This means that a single technician assembles the complete engine by hand – as witness his signature on the engine’s AMG badge.
For more information visit: www.Mercedes-AMG.com
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YOu know, when AMG started using forced inductin I sort of thought they lost that magic. Looks like its back!
Originally posted by Under Pressure
YOu know, when AMG started using forced inductin I sort of thought they lost that magic. Looks like its back!
Ditto..!!!
I have a thing or two for NA V-8 engines'(but you probably already know that eh AJ
)
Regardz,
J Irwan by AMG........Motorsport.
OMG! I need one of those.
I agree with you UP, about the s/c thing. I guess they wanted to change it up.I'm glad that it is startig to go back to n/a.
He's not the only one!Originally posted by J Irwan
I have a thing or two for NA V-8 engines'
Originally posted by Denlasoul
OMG! I need one of those.
I agree with you UP, about the s/c thing. I guess they wanted to change it up.
He's not the only one!
LOL .. .
ssh..!!!(keep it on the down low...will ya
Regardz,
J Irwan by AMG........Motorsport.
All I can say is DAMN!!!!!!!!
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too bad MB'll probably put a big ugly plastic cover over it when installed in the engine bay...
...if it could only be plug & play like the W210's 5.4L motor... :dpress: same reason we can't use the supercharged 5.4L motor. In lay terms (the only way I know how to explain it @ the moment) the Bosche controller version required by the eingine is newer then what the W202 V8 cars are equipped with. Changing the controller has a far reaching effect I believe, throughout many systems of the car.Originally posted by Renn 208
someone needs to put this in their 202...
...can dream tho...
edit: BTW, how many valves per cylinder?
it's nothing a little motec couldn't fix right?
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well then I might as well turbo my engine... I have access to the right people...Originally posted by Renn 208
it's nothing a little motec couldn't fix right?
Why does MB insist on feeding the intake manifold from the rear of the engine! Why can't they do it like GM,BMW and Toyota for crying out loud!
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good eye..Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
Why does MB insist on feeding the intake manifold from the rear of the engine! Why can't they do it like GM,BMW and Toyota for crying out loud!
But at least this is a V-8 so it will 2 intake airbox..
I thought about that with my C36 vs e36 M3... clearly BMW intake has shorter intake path, in which contribute a lot to the quicker/more responsive throttle response...
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J Irwan by AMG........Motorsport.
this is a really nice motor but im a big fan when it comes to turbos!!! i would through a twin turbo on this motor! it will be sikkkkkk
good god. that thing is the monster
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is this engine ready for new M3 or new M5? so far i know the new M3 will have 5L 400hp+ engien
Anyone else noticing the heads on these? The locations of the spark plugs? Striking similarities with the legendary chrysler Hemi...
Sounds to me like they're milking Chrysler's most successful engine design thanks to the merger.
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Originally posted by Sulaco
Anyone else noticing the heads on these? The locations of the spark plugs? Striking similarities with the legendary chrysler Hemi...
Sounds to me like they're milking Chrysler's most successful engine design thanks to the merger.
If thats how you draw the conclusion... ? of the location of the spark plugs..
You gotta be kiding me.
Most V-8 engine will have the same location of the sparkplug from Audi RS-6, S4-V8 RS4 V-8 to name just a few example..
After all on V-8 engine block where else can the spark plug located
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J Irwan by AMG........Motorsport.
So you're saying spark plugs can't be anywhere but top-dead-center on the valve covers headed straight into each combustion chamber?
Don't see any plugs running straight through the top of that head.
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I understand it will be a 4.0L 400hp V8 in the E90 M3Originally posted by Fantasmweb
is this engine ready for new M3 or new M5? so far i know the new M3 will have 5L 400hp+ engien
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The reason the sparkplugs are in the middle of the head is because it's a multivalve head. No matter what country the car is made in all multi valve heads whether it be a 16v 4cyl,24V L6 or V6,multi valve Audi head(5valves per cyl),32V 8cyl,the sparkplug will sit in the middle of the combustion chamber on the top of the cylinder between the valves for efficient and maximum combustion.That's the way it has to be constructed because of the placement of the multivalves.Sparkplug would be in the way and take up space.On a 2valve or three valve head like the one's on the M113 v8 it's ok to place the plugs on the side of the head because there is room to place it there.No valve in the way.Originally posted by J Irwan
Most V-8 engine will have the same location of the sparkplug from Audi RS-6, S4-V8 RS4 V-8 to name just a few example..
After all on V-8 engine block where else can the spark plug located
Regardz,
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Because the plugs are recessed .Theyre not gonna just be sticking out there so you can see them.If the valve covers were there you would see that they run down thru the middle of the valve cover and into the center of the head.Originally posted by Sulaco
So you're saying spark plugs can't be anywhere but top-dead-center on the valve covers headed straight into each combustion chamber?
Don't see any plugs running straight through the top of that head.
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Ah, well, I was simply making a suggestion. The There's really no way to be certain either way without seeing the actual combustion chambers on the bottom of the head.
But in that audi pic, I posted it because I really can't see anywhere where the plugs could go down through that head? Has anyone seen the naked RS-6 V8 up close? I've always been curious. It looks to me (in the pic) like it has one rocker assembly per head, making it impossible for the plugs to run down through the top-center.
The 6.3l AMG looks like it has two rocker assemblies per head, plugs between them.
If only I had the money to just buy these engines and look for myself
Edit: rocker assemlies, not cams. Silly me!
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Originally posted by Sulaco
Ah, well, I was simply making a suggestion. The There's really no way to be certain either way without seeing the actual combustion chambers on the bottom of the head.
But in that audi pic, I posted it because I really can't see anywhere where the plugs could go down through that head? Has anyone seen the naked RS-6 V8 up close? I've always been curious. It looks to me (in the pic) like it has one cam per head, making it impossible for the plugs to run down through the top-center.
The 6.3l AMG looks like it has two cams per head, plugs between them.
If only I had the money to just buy these engines and look for myself
Regarding RS-6 take a look at S4 V-8 or RS4 V-8...
The sparkplug location is also similar..
On RS-6 hard to see the spark plug location because it is cover by the huge airbox...on top of it.
To put it in layman term RS-6 basically (simply put) Twin Turboed S4 V-8 engine.
Regardz,
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I was just thinking and I figured out what will happen. First, AMG will plop this engine in their cars, lets say an S Class, and will call it the "S63" and charge a small fortune. Everyone will buy it and thiunk they have an exclusive car. Then after a year or two, AMG will turbo the same engine or supercharge it and sell it for still around same price, making the NA version obsolete. Then to further put salt in the wounds of those who bought it when it first came out, Mercedes will then offer them same engine in non-AMG cars also with forced induction of bored to bigger displacement.
I cant help but to think of the S55, which then get upgraded to the S55K, or that was also outshined by the S600, in terms of power. Mercedes is shady like that
would you suggest that they only make engines without a clear upgrade path? I'm not sure what the alternative is?Originally posted by Under Pressure
I was just thinking and I figured out what will happen. First, AMG will plop this engine in their cars, lets say an S Class, and will call it the "S63" and charge a small fortune. Everyone will buy it and thiunk they have an exclusive car. Then after a year or two, AMG will turbo the same engine or supercharge it and sell it for still around same price, making the NA version obsolete. Then to further put salt in the wounds of those who bought it when it first came out, Mercedes will then offer them same engine in non-AMG cars also with forced induction of bored to bigger displacement.
I cant help but to think of the S55, which then get upgraded to the S55K, or that was also outshined by the S600, in terms of power. Mercedes is shady like that
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