2.2 in to a w202 1.8

[Powerslave]

Hey mates! I just visited my local MB dealer and asked about upgrading my 202's engine...

They told me that i can only place the 2.2 4-cylinder and i don't have to change anything more (except the brakes...)
for 3.000 euros (parts and workmanship)

if i'd like to place newer engines with kompressor then i should chane both the ecu the gears plus plus plus a lot more...
and the cost will go to the sky... 6 to 8.000 euros

what to you think?

does it worth the bucks?

i have the 1.8 122bhp with 220.000 klm


thnx in advance

[Abuimad]

sell it....put that money and get a bigger engine 202.......

[lewda]

Originally posted by Abuimad
sell it....put that money and get a bigger engine 202.......

agreed

[therock2689]

try to find an M111K if you can. Maybe you can have some fun and find the c46 engine and drop that bad boy in with a twin turbo. Now that would be bad ass, but probly extemly difficult and expensive. But goo luck with it though.


Rock

[trymonlam]

must it be done by the dealers?
anyway, for a engine swap, i guess in both clearance and budget wise u would be better off staying with the same engine type with a bigger displacement. that is, given the fact that u don't want to get a new car.
or, for $3000, u can invest it in other aspects of the car for better performance. u don't neccessarily need more power from the block to go faster, u know.

[NEA-4311]

How many HP does the C 220 develops? I think around 160 but Im not sure at all. And no, it doesnt have to be done in the dealership, I bet if you ask around you can do the same engine swap for less than 3K. If you want to come to Thessaloniki I can take you to an MB specialist who owns his own repairshop AND HAS DONE THE EXACT SAME SWAP BEFORE. I dont know him personally but Ive been there a couple of times and he did a great job. I ll be happy to help you and/or give you his contact details but Im sure you can find someone in Athens no prob. Take your time, dont make any quick decisions, we re here for you. ;)

[Powerslave]

Well... the 2.2 generates 147 bhp ONLY...

The fact is that I may have to give up to 4.000 euros
for the engine but 147 bhp is to few for me...
I mean going from 122 to 147 doesn't feel wow...
I wish i could place a 2.8 (C280) or even a kompressorised with 192 bhp...

plus i was thinking of placing the AMG bodykit... used parts of course... i'm not a millionaire!

What do you think? The 202 is my only car right now... I sold the other one I had...

mates please help me...

[trymonlam]

learn how to drive fast and spend some money on suspension tuning then. since u can't gain speed quickly, restructive driving is your only way to go fast. and they would be good for u in the long run.

[Abuimad]

you can always opt for turboing ur car, maybe supercharging it...but i say save the cash and get a c36....

or if you really insist...go for the light weight 202...spend all the money on making your car incredibly light...its almost like adding more hp's :D

[Powerslave]

heh... i was thinking of placing the 2.2 and then supercharge it...

what do you think?

[c280nz]

for that price you could probebly just get your 1.8 bored out and higher compression pistons to make more power instead of putting in a whole new engine. or just turbo the 1.8

[Powerslave]

Originally posted by c280nz
for that price you could probebly just get your 1.8 bored out and higher compression pistons to make more power instead of putting in a whole new engine. or just turbo the 1.8

well... 220.000 klm my friend... really don't know what i'm gonna do!

[NEA-4311]

The best way is to sell it and get a C200-230 kompressor, apart from that, you can get a C200 Kompressor front end for about 4-5000 Euros and replace the whole costume. It might cost you 6-7000 Euros in the end, but thats the price you are going to pay anyway if you buy another C200K or if you install the 2.2lt engine and turbo it, WHICH is NOT a good idea IMO. So if selling your car is not an option, buy a C200K-C230K front end.

My advice is ask around, get some prices for all of those options and then make up your mind. Not only in the dealership. This is the most expensive way to do it!!! And forget the bodykits etc, spend money on your motor first, dont waste it on looks, at least yet.

The C36 or C280 will cost A LOT in Greece.

[Powerslave]

Originally posted by Powerslave
heh... i was thinking of placing the 2.2 and then supercharge it...

what do you think?

supercharge it with a komressor...:bunny:

[NEA-4311]

Originally posted by Powerslave
supercharge it with a komressor...:bunny:

Even worse than turbo it... It might look like the same motor only supercharged (the 1.8 or 2.0lt) but on the inside, everything is different. make a search on this forum and you will find plenty of info, i remember there was a thread and a guy even listed the things that are different in an unkompressed m111 motor with those of a kompressed one. It will 100% fail and by that I simply mean that you will start visiting the repairshop every 2 weeks. :rolleyes:
What about the options I wrote to you on my previous post? You didnt make any comments on those.

[Powerslave]

Yeah mate, sorry I forgot to answer... LOL

Well, firstly I don't plan to sell my car! I haven't asked around (except the dealer) for placing the c230k and for sure I may have to give only 3 to 4 k's...

I will ask aroung this week for the front end option... and may God be with me! LOL

I got your point in supercharging the 2.2 and you are right... I haven't thought about it...

Due to a small research i'm forgeting the thing about the V6...
WAY TO MUCH MONEY.... yax!

If thing won't go well.. then 2.2 + camshafts + exsaust + ecu
and i hope it will go well...

Ohh I haven't asked MKB here yet...

What do you all say about that?

[NEA-4311]

I wouldnt mess with any further upgrades and peripherals, these are money down the drain and will cost as much as a kompressor front-end either way you choose, supercharging, MKB-ing or camshafts + exsaust + ecu -ing your 1.8 or 2.2 motor. And still, the kompressor will be stronger and better.

2.2lt 150hp is not bad, especially if you re not speeding like a madman, Im speeding a lot (Im that stupid) but still I believe that my car is quite fast for a relatively small country as Greece so if you are a relatively normal driver you will be satisfied by the result. Remember that cc's eliminate weight, in addition with the extra 10hp you will notice a big difference.

If you get the chance, testdrive a 2.2lt and ask around for kompressor front ends anyway.

[Powerslave]

Goodmorning mates!
It seems that I will proceed with the swap... plus I will install new AMG performance camshafts...

But I was told to change only the intake camshaft...

Why's that? Does anybody know?

Can we find out any specs for the camshafts? Like lift and duration?

thnx in advance...

[Proven Guilty]

Answers to your problems:

As your avatar suggests you're in Greece, Locate a C36 drivetrain (engine, trans, ecu, tcu etc) for NEA-4311 and simply buy his entire drivetrain.

It's a win/win. :)

[NEA-4311]

Hahah! I can locate a C36 front end bymyself, see, the problem is that it costs around 10000 euros... :bored:

[xvvvz]

Here you go!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-C230-supercharged-engine-73k-miles-like-new_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQihZ006QQitem Z160046665533QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Too bad shipping would be expensive to your location and who knows how much a supercharger would run you. I bet a person could find a better price on a complete engine and supercharger (at least in the U.S.) with a little patience and research.

Doug

[NEA-4311]

Yeap! that is my motor, mine is 2000cc 192hp though. Looks identical.

[Powerslave]

As I have started buying parts for the new 2.2 motor...

What exaust do you recoment me?

Remus,Sebring of Supersprint ?

Only these are available in Greece, i don't want any handmades plus I want it quiet!

[rollinrealbig]

camshafts ?? wait a second, who has HP camshafts for M111 ???

[Powerslave]

Shrick and CatCams

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by rollinrealbig
camshafts ?? wait a second, who has HP camshafts for M111 ???
topline makes them as well. there's probably 5-6 companies that offer different performance cams. they're in the ball park of $2500 and yield roughly 20hp gains at the wheels.

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by Powerslave
As I have started buying parts for the new 2.2 motor...

What exaust do you recoment me?

Remus,Sebring of Supersprint ?

Only these are available in Greece, i don't want any handmades plus I want it quiet!

remus and sebring are the same company/muffler. i would check german ebay and see if someone is willing to ship an eisenmann for you.

[Powerslave]

Originally posted by Proven Guilty
topline makes them as well. there's probably 5-6 companies that offer different performance cams. they're in the ball park of $2500 and yield roughly 20hp gains at the wheels.

WOW! 20hp? We'd wish... Only 6 to 7hp at high RPM...

But I was advised by MB only to change the Intake camshaft...
Does anybody know WHY?

[Powerslave]

Question.... I have the Bocsh or the VDO ECU ?

How can I tell?

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by Powerslave
WOW! 20hp? We'd wish... Only 6 to 7hp at high RPM...


sorry, i failed to specify the topline cams i was referring to is intended for specific use in the M111K (supercharged) :)

[Powerslave]

Originally posted by Powerslave
Question.... I have the Bocsh or the VDO ECU ?

How can I tell?

Anyone?

this is a close photo... if this is the ECU... (LOL)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/549/dsc01110iu1.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01110iu1.jpg)

[Powerslave]

Question: what about increasing the engine's capacity (rectyfier)
from 1.8 to 2.5 ??? (from 122bhp to 170bhp :Dhahaaa)

Normaly when there's a problem they make it 2.2...

what about this case? will the engine's block last?


Something stupid... had a run with a friend's 316 e36...
and he completely run me over... WHY?????????????? (:(grrrr)