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ncd
10-26-2006, 04:40 AM
... the saga continues!!
not sure its remotly worth the hassel or the $

Why change em? welll I love my dails during the day but come night the nasty feeling old & regimented orange surfaces and that for most car owners it wouldnt be a big deal.. just change to coloured leds of your liking.. and on their black faces with more transparent areas of ilumination, your results would be moreless how you expect, but with our "sport" gauges they virge on opaque... and are just damn right weird in terms of how the react to light..
the colour you want isnt the colour you get, different lights or prehaps wavelengths cause different outputs..

*BOOOM* this is already feeling complicated aint it LOL..

basically this seemingly harmless mod is a nightmare to get what you expect..

which is a big fat brightly glowing set of dails with evenly dispersed light in the colour of your led/bulb!

the problem..
4 bulbs make up the total sum of all back light for all three dails.. and the faces of the dails must be engineered specially for the orange light that the oem bulbs emit.. this is basically a massive complication unless you dont mind some other gauges and all the hassel of getting them reproged.
so it seems the "ivory" dails are at a cost..

the extremes ive gone to boggle my mind considering I am still not 100% happy..

1) ultra bright leds (individuls)
2) more brighter leds (flat tops with high 180 viewing angle specially designed for automative applications) (indiduals)
3) Incandesant Lights / Neon Tube
4) 25x Flexible Led Strip

Individual leds will not get you any where near the required spec, its would be like comparing a small energy efficiant compact flouresent to a high presure sodium lamp. you will not get your miles lighting up properly, nor will the needles glow equally also lcds you get "bright patchs" even with the supposably better leds.

Neon strips == genrally to big and to much heat, leads to many other problems, mainly your ballast will blow up, Im not even sure they like a car bat as the power source.
however they do create some interesting results.. heheh see my pic later on in this thread the green reminds me of the evil green coloured eyes the guy had in one of stephen kings night mares and dream scapes eps

the thing is with neon tubes the actual internal neon tube component are very small and can be slithered in but they kick out so much heat somehting would probably catch on fire, like in my case the bulb fell out of a notch and melted against its plastic housing and blew up the ballast..
they are easily bright enough, but lack the light dispersion, though multiples would probably result in the brightest dash lighting on the planet :). just to fragile & unstable & safty risk imo.

The best bet is to go with the led STRIP and wireing into a auxillarly power source, for a start they can manouvered in place, they give the right light dispersion, and glow the MILES, numbers and notchs, and it glows the needles equally.. another good reason is they have individual over current protection on each led.. & also can be cut to smaller length.. pritty cool stuff.. but astoundingly for our application still not really bright enough, but this is because of the extreme opaque'ness.

The only arguable side effect of wiring is having your dash glow when the lights are not on but i kind of like it.. one of the biggest give aways on how weak design is, you turn on the lights and its nothing much changed.. just glows a tiny bit more where the flexi led cant get... what a joke..

the strip makes the best start.. i was thinking when i got some spare money i will get another one..

with the strip its iluminated enough to see the black ring glowing fairly bright in daylight, gives all the other items like "LIM" and "MPH" "VDO" a blue tinge.

tips..
only white & orange & red light seem to be good for the lcd backlights with suitability for daylight in mind..
after trying blue againt for the lcd it seems fine during night.....
the flat-top leds are just that bit better interms of the "birght patchs"
yet to see green though.



one thing im curious about now is to see how the led strip and oem bulbs together perform & look since the end colour is unpredictable.
my current dash is bright blue on the kph ring, and the miles are whiteish trying to be blue/green.. to hard to describe ha!

pic soon
day light
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3263/dscn1875zp7.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1875zp7.jpg)
night light
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6291/dscn1880rq3.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1880rq3.jpg)

Has any one with a sport tryed RED?

Is the only real solution just move to a w210 instrument cluster. the hassel being the reprogramming but there some tools out their.

I know alot of you guys have red.. Im starting to think red might give the best results on our dails.
if you want some tropical looking dails mix oem and blue leds hah ;)

Frenchy
10-27-2006, 12:53 AM
Hi,

You can remove the dash cluster even if you don't have Telescopic Steering wheel ;)

You just need to tilt the cluster front, and remove it on the right side :)

The SRS should light up at the first contact, i mean just before turning on the engine.

Regards,

Frenchy.

ncd
10-27-2006, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Frenchy
Hi,

You can remove the dash cluster even if you don't have Telescopic Steering wheel ;)

You just need to tilt the cluster front, and remove it on the right side :)

The SRS should light up at the first contact, i mean just before turning on the engine.

Regards,

Frenchy.

as for removale .. hmm Seems basically imposible with the wheel fully down on our cars, but yeah in our right hand drive cars we slide it out to the left, so if thats your right side, then it makes sense :)... on a non telescopic wheels they might be posistioned with just enough space

ncd
10-27-2006, 01:05 AM
I love your car as well frency!! nice work man
..jeez - the mind boggles - that c23 or 36?

ncd
10-27-2006, 10:26 AM
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Frenchy
10-27-2006, 10:46 AM
Neeeeeeeeeeeed Pics Dude !! :D

ncd
10-27-2006, 02:57 PM
leds + dash ilumination/back light == bad hmk

ncd
10-28-2006, 07:39 AM
dashlights.co.uk
http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/ - to be tested 20,000mcd leds..

ncd
10-29-2006, 11:03 AM
Now this is the weirdest thing one of the lcds will not accept a normal lamp.. works fine on a led. as if only a tiny bit of power is getting their ..

ncd
10-29-2006, 01:27 PM
leds == evil

ncd
11-02-2006, 03:49 PM
Got some new bulbs on the way:

Blue LED - 5mm Twistlock - 1.2 Watts

Specifications:
286T - 509T
12 Volts DC
Typical Luminous Intensity 200 mcd
180° Viewing Angle
Cap Fitting BX8.4D
Sold Individually
Approximate Life 100,000 Hours

this is what they say on the web store:


Consisting of a 5mm flat top LED this unit produces an incredibly bright, clean light and has a viewing angle of 180° which makes it ideal for dashboard applications, reducing bright patches caused by dome topped LEDs.

The high quality construction gives a life expectancy of 100,000 hours which is double that of most other LEDs on the market.

This LED directly replaces 509T & 286T filament bulbs without modification. For more information about LEDs please click here

I think i have a theory and a warning for all of you who might delv into the dashboard, be very carefull to check the bulbs that you get are t509 and NOT higher then 1.2Watts .. other wise you might blow something up as i suspect I have by putting a 5w bulb in which is t-501 spec.

Just so you know how i did it, I placed a t501 bulb insert into a seat/cap, blindley thinking that the bulbs were standardized - the auto store where I got that perticular bulb insert should of fore warned me that there was two genral current ratings for dash bulbs.
even the little box he took them from never mentioned anything about wattage.


SO BE CAREFULL.

ncd
11-02-2006, 03:53 PM
evil leds

ncd
11-06-2006, 10:25 AM
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6408/4hrpr3dox7.th.jpg (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4hrpr3dox7.jpg)

haha that is with 5v power.. even brighter still.. on 12v

well finally you get a decently illuminated cluster.. as far as colour is consearned.. jeeez.. dont waste your time with leds .. with a neon in the equation there almoust suprlus to requirement ;).. I can only imagine what three of them would be like..which is what im aiming to do for now..
really something smaller then 10cm is needed for a neon so if any one knows something.. feel free to share :)

Anerencetard73
11-15-2006, 10:18 AM
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ncd
11-15-2006, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Anerencetard73
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Do not follow that link or be duped into downloading the Fake Codec installer it is "VirusBurster"

ban his lame ASS