Kompress'ed vs. UNkompress'ed M111?

[rollinrealbig]

yea, so what are the internal differances between the Komp. M111 & the N/A M111 ??

[OCKlasse]

supposedly a lot

[therock2689]

Bore, compration ratio, cams, maybe rods, manifold may be different(intake), intercooler, crank may have different stoke. There is probly more, but those are teh biggest thins i think. Oh, and a S/C.


Rock

[NEA-4311]

many threads from time to time for this issue too. Search.

[Pagz]

hmmm dont tell me your thinking about adding the SC.....:D

[therock2689]

I get teh feelen that would be hella complicated, proble bettter adding a TC.

[K_Sport Driver]

Originally posted by therock2689
I get teh feelen that would be hella complicated, proble bettter adding a TC.
it'd be easier for sure. not to mention that mercedes' magnetically controlled, clutch-driven supercharger is probably the most complicated setup EVER doesn't help.

as a p.s. the intercooler isn't an internal difference ;)

[Pagz]

or maybe he is thinkin turbo!

[therock2689]

Originally posted by K_Sport Driver
as a p.s. the intercooler isn't an internal difference ;)
True, i just started naming stuff, but you are very right, thanks for the correction:)


Rock

[K_Sport Driver]

Originally posted by therock2689
True, i just started naming stuff, but you are very right, thanks for the correction:)


Rock

I figured you knew what you were talking about, just wanted to clarify for others who may not be so informed.

[rollinrealbig]

I dont know what im thinking ... but i dont like losing to RX-8's and 3.2 Acura's. =(

any suggestions ??

[Pagz]

1.buy a car that was manufactured to go fast:)
2.give up racing;)

In all honesty making real power from the 202 4 banger is no cheap performance route man...
if you really love the 202 and you cant part with it,slap a thick wall mild steel manifold on with a either a garrett .63 GT28RS(or GT2535 if your feeling wealthy and dont mind giving it all the HKS)...along with a tidy IC and BOV,remake the intake and charge piping...get the ECU work done and run 6-7psi...
its "likely" you will keep up with them after that...

[rollinrealbig]

I dont really see the custom header, TC, IC, pipes, being a problem to get/fabricate, just that I know id need to upgrade the fuel and the ECU and I havnt done much homework on that yet. :(

Id sure love to get rid of it but i cant. and its driving me crazy how slooowwwww these things are never getting another w202 unless its ///AMG. :mad:

[Abuimad]

Originally posted by rollinrealbig


Id sure love to get rid of it but i cant. and its driving me crazy how slooowwwww these things are never getting another w202 unless its ///AMG. :mad:

i feel your pain...my 230 with the bigger rims, and the sound sytem, really feels slow now....i need more power...but its not worth it, im just waiting to sell my 202, and get a more sportive sedan with better performance figures

[ncd]

Originally posted by Abuimad
i feel your pain...my 230 with the bigger rims, and the sound sytem, really feels slow now....i need more power...but its not worth it, im just waiting to sell my 202, and get a more sportive sedan with better performance figures

apart from a evo or a subaru, or expensive audi/bmw.. where do you plan to get this more sportive sedan.. i thought our car has moreless the best stats in its class :)

a lovely 192bhp to rear... i think you'll see its quite a hard to act to follow, $/P ratio... with a car of the same functionallity.
not many cars can keep up on the straights..

shizz most cars are a deminingshing dot in my rear view.. from a launch with ASR ON. .. Im sure shes got plenty to give ...:bandit:

has any one ever herd of a full blue-printing process being done on a w202?

my next car will be either e55, audi A (assuming I can afford it), or E36... but I feel comfortable with C230 for a good while yet :)

[xvvvz]

If you have tons of cash, Birds will supply some nice stuff:

http://www.birds.uk.com/parts-database/parts-home.asp?sVehicleType=Mercedes&sVehicleModel=C Class (202)

[rollinrealbig]

and ya speed limiter kicks in at 130mph. :( hmm ...

ya ive been looking at M3's lately.

[ncd]

Originally posted by xvvvz
If you have tons of cash, Birds will supply some nice stuff:

http://www.birds.uk.com/parts-database/parts-home.asp?sVehicleType=Mercedes&sVehicleModel=C Class (202)

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[rollinrealbig]

how much ?? ... why do i even bother asking that :rolleyes:

[ncd]

Originally posted by rollinrealbig
how much ?? ... why do i even bother asking that :rolleyes:

put it this way.. I asked them for complete exhaust retro fit options, and i got quote for £1000+ just for a carlson back box he he :confused: