Official Release of AMS 230K Performance Headers

[omeyhomey]

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[Ashkan's C280]

looks good, glad to see someone is making parts for our cars...

[97C28O]

What else is in the making? Anything for C280?

[OCKlasse]

so how much? :)

[OCKlasse]

1. OCKlasse (hopefully $475 shipped :))

[OCKlasse]

post on mbworld, benzworld, mbklasse

[OCKlasse]

also...any pics of it installed in the vehicle? Any chance of getting a dyno on it?

[NEA-4311]

Can you ship to Greece? And how much? Is it suitable for non-Kompressor M111 engines? I have a kompressor btw. A M111.

[LiVn_It_UP]

that is nice as hell..... i can't wait to see the m104 header

[xvvvz]

Glad to see your products are finally making it to market! I bet your biggest selling tool would be a set of independent dyno tests.

[OCKlasse]

Do these not fit N/A M111 motors?

[RemoLexi]

I know for the M111 N/A and Kompressor flanges are exact same = means they will fit any M111. How do i know ? I bought 23K's header flange - he has an M111 Kompressor, I have a N/A just like OCKlasse and guess what the flange fit!

Nice set of headers! although id like em more if they had a turbo at the end of them :D

[Proven Guilty]

2). Proven Guilty - Chris

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by OCKlasse
Do these not fit N/A M111 motors?

this would likely fit all M111s
-c180
-c220
-c230
-c200k
-c230k

[ncd]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
there you go, thats the answer you need :) . Ok guys. spread the word to all your friends on other forums. lets get this list moving!! :)
holy $%#@%^$#&@! nice work man :)
how much to the UK?
put me on what ever list.

what about with a turbo flange!! ???

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by ncd

what about with a turbo flange!! ???

im selling a flange, check the classifieds!

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Tell you what guys. If you can get 10+ guys to join the GB I will do $425 + $25 shipping (YES $425). I am going to practically give these away just to get my name out there. Just as long as you guys spread the good word and help spread my name on all the other forums I will hook you guys up BIG time. Thx

~Omey~
AMS

I am spreading the word..hook me up :)

posted on mbworld and mbklasse

someone who frequents benzworld go post this!

[Denlasoul]

What is performance about them?

Do you have anything to substantiate performance gains ie before and after dynos, flow metering?

Does it affect emissions? What is the weight difference between stock and yours?

That is it for now. :)

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
What is performance about them?

Do you have anything to substantiate performance gains ie before and after dynos, air flow metering?

Does it affect emissions? What is the weight difference between stock and yours?

That is it for now. :)

I can tell you right now it wouldn't pass visual smog in CA, but then again neither would my cold air ;)

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by OCKlasse
I can tell you right now it wouldn't pass visual smog in CA, but then again neither would my cold air ;)

and agian neither would my Turbo! :mad:

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by OCKlasse
I can tell you right now it wouldn't pass visual smog in CA, but then again neither would my cold air ;)

Visual smog? I didn't know the law prohibits anything aftermarket as long as it passes emissions testing :/

I think it's time to either dump this car, or register it to my Michigan address, and change plates :bandit:

[aruba]

yo aruba here im glad that you manage to get the headers for the m111. i know there are a bunch of us with the 104 engines just patiently waiting .so keep up the good work men and count me in ones the headers for the 104 come out. we really apreciate youre work :bunny:

[ncd]

would it be possible/easy to have them doctored for our 3vil purpose?

just at a glance it looks like you could lop it off on the last set of welds, and shorten the stumps? .. <insert turbo here> reweld last bit??

[LiVn_It_UP]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Plus i'm so busy with the M104 headers


That's what i want to hear...

by the way.. clean out your Inbox

[SLAMMED_C]

well that header looks pretty nice.. but Im dissapointed its not an equal length header.
its nice that it bolts right up to the stock exhaust, just take out he old manifold and drop in the header.
welds look very nice by the way!

Id be really interested in buying one.. but I think I may want to go with a larger collector.. so I can go with larger diameter exhasut pipe too. Im thinking maybe 2 3/4" pipe.

But nice work indeed omey, not to take away from your efforts at all. its a very nice looking piece for a very reasonable price compared to other headers on the market. keep up the excellent work.

Id just like to see a dyno sheet before Id buy!.. any volenteers to get one and dyno!!

[MeMyself]

Thats looks awsome!!!

If this fits a C-180 from 1999 with OEM cat i'm interested.

Do you think I'm gonna experience powergains with this header, OEM cat and 2,25" exhaust?

What about emisions?

Do you send to Norway?

[Wermacht123]

Does this fit a 98 c230 N/A? I would be very very interested if it does. Any power gains on this car are worth it.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by Wermacht123
Does this fit a 98 c230 N/A? I would be very very interested if it does. Any power gains on this car are worth it.

supposedly it does :D...I am on the list and I have a N/A 230

[OCKlasse]

check pm.

[DION]

Hey, will they fit a 02 M111 coupe?

[sacc230]

im interested ...but not sure if ill hav all the money wen the 10 people hit...but i might.....so to make 100% sure ...they will fit non komp c230s???

[sacc230]

also will they ever fade blue or bluish from the heat???

[sacc230]

well if ocklasse or someone else buys one ill ask em nd c how it fit and wutnot...if its good ill end up buying onefor the regular price..unless u wanna give me a discount:p

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by sacc230
well if ocklasse or someone else buys one ill ask em nd c how it fit and wutnot...if its good ill end up buying onefor the regular price..unless u wanna give me a discount:p

simply do a search for omey's post, and see what type of homework this guy does. his work is legit, and the pics speak for themselves. the more poeople we get together for the initial group buy, the sooner we'll all get them, and i'm confident in the quality they stand behind.

you know we're just going to tell you to buy them once we get our, so why wait? :cool:

[sacc230]

thats all true ....and i no hes a legit guy...im just concerned that they mite not fit cuz i dont wanna spend 400+ on something and find out its not right or doesnt fit or wut not cuz ive had it happen to me before....but neways since alot people are saying that itll fit or that it should fit...so to buy them do i need a paypal account or somtin cuz i dont hav one?....and omeyhomey wut do u have next?is it for us 202 guys??:D

[RemoLexi]

@ Sacc230, im your mechanic here, if i can make headers off some other Japanese car fit my own Mercedes then im 100% sure I can make these fit as well. !

dont worry about the fitment! ;)

and Omey is a great seller, ive bought stuff from him, just bought more stuff today and will probably buy more stuff if I find it intresting.

[sacc230]

ite then my ninja.....put me on the list omeyhomy

[sacc230]

cant wait ta se wut it is:D :D :D :D

[OCKlasse]

http://club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10636&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

can you tell by these pictures if they will fit our cars (check page two)

[OCKlasse]

INTERESTING OBSERVATION

http://www.supersprint.com/homeuk.htm

when you go to this page, and click on each of the different models, the Kompressor models and the regular N/A models share the same part number, but ONLY the '97 and up ones do???? If I am not making sense, go look at all the header part numbers.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
im not suprised, MB was so confused on the 230k, they kept mixing & matching crank pulleys so im not surprised if headers weren't the same way. All the pics on SS website look the same though so they may all be the same I need to check MB EPC and see what it says. just b/c part numbers are differnet doesn't necessarily mean they won't fit either. One could be cast iron the other tubular steel but both with the same head flange & exit flange. I'll have to do more research. How much is the supersprint header, like $750-800?

even more than $800 (I think somewhere around $950???)...according to their website, it would fit my car...I am just curious as to why it said it wouldn't fit pre '97 cars?

[shogun]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
yes my next suprise is for all the V6 & V8 boys (coming up in the next week or two tops). M104 won't be out for another month or two but its a close 2nd. :D :D :D

I'm listening :cool:

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
hey guys,

I may be setting the minimum for the GB For 5 so those of you that are already on the list get your money ready soon. thx

I'm ready...I can't wait! Hopefully when I get these installed, there will be more people looking to get them from you ;) I have become somewhat of a club202 guinea pig :D

[C230 SportCoup]

I'd like to join the GB, on the condition, if it doesn't fit in a M111 W203 coupe, that I can return it.
I don't mind being the guinea pig, and then for certain we'll know one way or the other.
Hopefully they'll bolt right up not require any cutting.
I'm new to your forum, but been on
MBKlasse, and MBworld for a long time.

I have ASP pulley....would like more power.
A Dyno would be nice to go with these.

I can guarantee if it does fit, you'll have lots of orders.
So, your only risk is in accepting a return,
with the payoff of a successful install being many many more orders.

[C230 SportCoup]

...

[ncd]

some ass wipe smashed into the back of me at 50MPH :( ... so gutted, I was supprised their was a boot left at all... atleast its a solid car but I think they bent my chassis hopefully its not terminal ... but I might have to pull out of the buy. the whole car feels a bit gritty now in its power delivery I can only assume the impact has done something mechanical as well.
when put my foot down a bit now my traction controll keeps engaging at 3k rpm when going dead straight :(

the other vechiles a light goods van which just moreless buried into my boot... really amazing how strong our cars are.

[OCKlasse]

by the way...Supersprint headers are over $1140!!

http://www.supersprintna.com/category-exec/category_id/139

Also...here are the Mercedes C230 and C230K headers in a cart...notice the different part numbers??

022 841 701 C230

022 842 101 C230K

[grkpmpn69]

Dude! i cant wait for the v-6 mods to come out, hurry up with that stuff i wanna see what u have up ur sleeve! u better have sumthin in the works for the c280 :D

[grkpmpn69]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
You better believe it, Sorry for the delays but when it comes to manufacturing, delays are name of the game. Honestly I think i should have my first batch of secret mods coming out next week hopefully.

you better believe ill be one of the first on the list to recieve them:p

[ncd]

hopefully it will be fixed, shes in the repair shop for who knows how long, in the mean time Im driving '06' Bmw 320D arhg..its a amazing car, with every thing you could ever want from the bluetooth factory headunit to the heated front and rear seats and power folding mirrors... just about every thing most of us guys on 202 want to do to our cars this car has it from the factory.

if she comes back and its not crabing down the road or anything we will be on again.

but I want my Kompressor back !!!!
diesel prity much sucks, its SHIFTS for a diesel but otherwise its pritty boreing, DRINKS LIKE FISH and such a heavy , twitchy car.. I thought the mb was bad..

[kyo216]

m104!!!!!

[ncd]

What is the secret mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??

[C230 SportCoup]

You have a whole bunch of people waiting to see what happens in other forums.
There's a pent up demand for this type of thing.

You didn't even bother with the courtesy of a reply to my offer to be a guinee pig
for the M111 C Coupe crowd....

Perhaps you could reply please?

[sacc230]

hey omeyhomey ima buy a pair within a few weeks jus so u no...oh btw clear ur pms

[Proven Guilty]

Still interested, just paid huge bills though. Shooting for 1st of the month ;)

[rtking]

I am really interested - just have to wait until the end of next week to get paid. I see that others have asked if this will fit the '02 C230 Coupe, but not sure if a public reply was sent.

Bob

[Proven Guilty]

i think they will honestly bolt up to the updated M111 blocks, but whether they will clear the new loom etc under the hood is going to be in question. post a pic of under the hood and we could probably rough an idea from that

[C230 SportCoup]

Has it been determined if there is a performance increase?
How it effects the power band?

I know the Supersprint results in a power increase, but then thats been proven.

Have these actually been installed on any vehicles? Going back through the thread, I see them offered for sale, but unless I missed it, no description of how they are on the car, no mention of existing installs or testing.
Did I miss something?

What was the result?
Ya know, something like,
"i put these on my XXX and right away I noticed an increase in the power above 3000 rpm, but torque seemed to drop off...etc. etc...Or torque was increased, and the hp in the midrange..."

We're all hungry for a little affordable performance, but I don't want to be the alpha tester. Not even beta.

Before and after dyno's please?

[ncd]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Hey guys,

I got good and bad news. The good news is I am selling the headers as cheap as they are ever gonna get at $425 w/ FREE SHIPPING!!! The bad news is this is the ONLY shipment I am every going to have. I am dropping the 230K header line for future models such as M104 and others. I won't be following this up b/c there just does not seem to be enough damand among the C230k crowd. Once these headers are gone they are gone for good and I won't be making any more sets so ifyou want performance headers at a rediculously low price, this will be your only chance. Once these few sets I have are gone.... thats it :( . The other Good news is I am now ramping up for M104 and other headers.

Thx again guys,
~Omey~

pls save me a set!!!

[xvvvz]

Who has received this already and how has the install gone? Any dyno results yet? I am guessing there are a number of people just waiting for some real-world feedback on your product.

[Proven Guilty]

i think its not that there is a lack of interest, you just happened to launch around the winter holidays; which for most is possibly the worst financial situation to bounce back from to spend money on toys :D

[C230 SportCoup]

No one has installed these?
A completely untested product?

I must be mistaken.
Please correct me!

[cosmos]

Any word on the fitment on coupes? Were there ever pictures exchanged or a consensus whether they will fit?

I'd love to pick up a set and have the funds ready but have been waiting on the word. How many sets are left?

[C230 SportCoup]

I'd love to pick up a set, provided they fit, and will actually result in a performance increase, and don't damage anything in the process. As of yet, no answers on either.
So, it seems rather silly of you to abondon an item that people are waiting breathlessly for, but can't get any answers about.
You say they were installed in Germany...but you say nothing of the result?

So you're saying people with even more expensive cars than ours are willing to
shovel out cash for items with no proven gains, so you're going to focus on them? Hogwash.
There's plenty of interest, and money in the wings, The issue is just a lack of data about the product.

They look great. The quality seems to be there, but I'm not buying metal sculpture. I'd like to buying a tested product that results in documented performance increases, with a dyno to show where the power comes in, and if there's any torque losses in the low end. And that someones been driving with them on their vehicle for a while with no problems.

Sorry, I'm not wanting to be a dick, but
so many posts and so little info, it seems like it's pulling it out of you to say what benefit one might expect.

I'm definitely interested in more performance. My lack of ponying up the cash is due to a lack of info.

[ncd]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Fair enough everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Headers have been test fit and dyno tested in Germany. Enough said.
I couldnt care less for performance as long as it doesnt slow it or make it sound stupid.

hmm this might be a stupid q.. but a exhaust manifold bracket is broken on my car, would this peice rectify it?

[C230 SportCoup]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Fair enough everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Headers have been test fit and dyno tested in Germany. Enough said.
Can you post the dyno?

[Renn 208]

C230 SportCoup brings up some very important points, and should not be ignored. This is just my personal opinion.

If this is to be an actual "performance" product, it's only reasonable to either ask for proof or a guarantee of performance. If these are "headers for the sake of gaining show points" that's fair too, but as consumers, we'll make decisions based on the information available.

So far...in this thread I've seen a claimed "about 8HP gain" based on "tests in Germany" and some discussion on fitment. However, as far as I can read, no one has installed these headers on a US car.

All members of this site are encouraged to do their own due diligence and are reasonably expected to be able to make their own purchasing decisions.

On the other hand, there will always be an inherent additional risk for the first users of a given product, and it's something to keep in mind when purchasing a new-to-market product.

Basically, caveat emptor...but that goes with any product advertised on this site...whether they be a business or an individual. As far as I can see, the first 10 purchasers of these headers are the test mules for this product, and there is no US-car based performance or installation information available.

Fair enough....I'd like for everyone to come out happy in the end, and setting expectations appropriately is a good part of that.

[C230 SportCoup]

I'm definitely in the wrong forum.
Peace, out!
So long and thanks for all the fish.


Originally posted by ncd
I couldnt care less for performance as long as it doesnt slow it or make it sound stupid.

hmm this might be a stupid q.. but a exhaust manifold bracket is broken on my car, would this peice rectify it?

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by C230 SportCoup
I'm definitely in the wrong forum.
Peace, out!
So long and thanks for all the fish.
That's a shame. I think you brought up some very valid points and issues that many people are overlooking.

I do believe there is alot to benefit from the Board, and that you could signficantly contribute to what we strive to achieve.

[jnolte]

if they are performance headers, dyno proof is required, end of story.

[jnolte]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Fair enough everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Headers have been test fit and dyno tested in Germany. Enough said.

can we see the dynos?

[AirPost]

I am waiting for someone to take the initiative here in the USA to dyno test. If someone here has the initiative to do a dyno I will provide a discount. thanks

Just a fair question. Since like you said in the earlier post that C230K are all the same (Header-wise) be it in Germany or USA then we would not need to do a dyno test here in the US if we can take a look at the dyno test done in Germany. So, can we take a look at the dyno test done in Germany? Thanks.

[K_Sport Driver]

man, if I wasn't planning on selling the 230k for a G, I'd be all over this.

[jnolte]

m113

[Proven Guilty]

i'd buy if this thread didn't get so damn shady.

[kyo216]

hmmm how come you didnt get any dyno graphs from germany? im sure even if you cant read the writing the setup is the same... y axis is the rpm, x axis is the horsepower..

[strictlyspeakin]

It's a moot point as this thread is dead, but these headers do NOT fit the M111 NA (94 C220) without modification.

Not a dig against omey per se as other members did offer advice that it would certainly fit

Pictures of the existing header against the exhaust gasket that came with these headers.
Check out the far left.

http://www.anserphone.net/images/c220mb111.jpg
http://www.anserphone.net/images/c220mb112.jpg

That's a pretty big hole in the side of the engine to miss!

It added a chunk of change to my custom stainless exhaust that I was not expecting to spend. :hurt:

[RemoLexi]

your C220 header is completly differnt from my N/A C230 header.

[Proven Guilty]

i could be wrong.. but that seriously looks like a turbo diesel exhaust

[C280/////AMG]

Originally posted by Proven Guilty
i could be wrong.. but that seriously looks like a turbo diesel exhaust

I agree, the 5 cyl

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by C280/////AMG
I agree, the 5 cyl

yup its a 5cylinder C220 Turbo diesel ! you guys are kidding right ? :rolleyes:

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
yup its a 5cylinder C220 Turbo diesel ! you guys are kidding right ? :rolleyes:

we're implying that the exhaust as pictured did not come off a W202 c220 at all.

edit: kleeman M111 header:
http://www.toplineminis.com/toplineautomobile/pitstop/img/kleemann/header.jpg

[strictlyspeakin]

Come on guys, definitely not a 5 cylinder.

And contrary to popular belief it really is an M111.961 engine.

I'll look for a part number on the exhaust header tonight.

[strictlyspeakin]

The part number of the header is: 111 142 05 01

Here is the gasket. http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/momof2angels_bucket/Exhaust.jpg

I wanted to pull the actual engine number from the block. I looked it up from the vin and the documentation they matched. But just to triple check. Where is it. The only marking on the block that I could find was actually just above the the exhaust header.
R111 016 21 01 99

The 99 is a bit odd.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by strictlyspeakin
The part number of the header is: 111 142 05 01

Here is the gasket. http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/momof2angels_bucket/Exhaust.jpg

I wanted to pull the actual engine number from the block. I looked it up from the vin and the documentation they matched. But just to triple check. Where is it. The only marking on the block that I could find was actually just above the the exhaust header.
R111 016 21 01 99

The 99 is a bit odd.

I can confirm what you say. I have a header gasket that I bought for when I was going to use this header, and it's identical.

[blacked_out_202]

sorry for bringing this up again but will this fit on a 95 c220?