Beginning of another Turbo'd C230

[RemoLexi]

officially announcing another turbo project, first off, I now own RollinRealBig's C230. hes my cusin by the way.

anyway, today was a first step, removing the oil pan and adding an oil return, about $120 with business discount was spent already.

most of my help, support and advice comes from 23K, who;s project it way more intense then mine. LoL

heres pictures, Enjoy guys! :)

http://a500.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/18/l_1397396270c55e897702062035d7c7eb.jpg
we worked at my cusins house since he had all the tools.
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close agianst the firewall ...
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Sway bar was in the way,
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Ahh, cant go any higher!
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at last, left engine mount, sway bar and oil pan removed!
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Cleaned up, and fitting installed.
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In this picture, you can see a tiny blue spec which is the oil feed at the top of the pic, and the oil return capped and ready for the turbo lines to be connected.
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the headers are done, the turbocharger should show up in the mail any day now. Im taking this project very slowly, since Im not made of money .

[jnolte]

i have a feeling remolexi is acually rollingrealbig.. hmmmmm

[RemoLexi]

what makes you say that? he sold me the car got another one he likes more then the w202./

[MirageHatch]

what car did he get? another benzo? or did he move to the darkside and get a beemer or something?

[RemoLexi]

he got BMW M3 the older body not the newer ones its hella sick though much better then the W202.

[jnenad16]

I hope you havent poured that lucas crap in your engine yet!

nenad

[RemoLexi]

no, not yet. its sitting dry on my driveway, is Lucas crap for MB engines ?? I thought id get it because I have a noisy lifter.

[jnenad16]

its bad for any engine. their motor oil and ATF are great, but their additives are terrible. if you want a thickener in your engine, the only decent one would be hyperlube racing additive, but even that wont help significantly with noise. if you can find lubro moly oil saver anywhere, that is the only high quality oil thickener I've used and it worked well. also try flushing the engine, usually that helps more than additives.

nenad

[NEA-4311]

Originally posted by jnolte
i have a feeling remolexi is acually rollingrealbig.. hmmmmm

It must be the hand on that pic... :knocked:

[c280nz]

congratulations on the first step!
damn these c230t are becoming more common than the k's ;) haha
i was going to do the same step when i took my gearbox out but it is alot harder to get the sump out of the six :( so i resigned that job for the day i have the $ to buy a turbo
so you goin run a low boost set up with a piggyback and possibly a rising rate fuel regulator?
let us in with more of your plans pal :) cos some people mit be able to give you useful pointers on things to watch out for
i.e what jnenad has done already
good start anyway :cool:

[Pagz]

Hey,
looks like it all went fairly well!,much better with an engine lifter;)...did you have much issuse with sliding it out once the engine was up?

Does that fitting angle downwards?

Logan,
Must be bout time you went bush mech on the 280T setup:D:D...

[RemoLexi]

Thanks!

my plans, well the header is awaiting the turbo, which should arrive any day now, im pateintly waiting. the oil/water fittings are done, just I have to finish the water return and I caught a cold yesterday from laying on the cold driveway half a day. :(

I just received two 24LB fuel injecters, will order another two.
ill be using a Fuel pressure regulater, also planning out a new fuel rail but I have to see if thats a possibility.

as for the ECU all I have planned is a Speed Innovation chip ... I really need help and advice on what to do for ignition upgrades and maybe a ECU upgrade if the chip isnt enough.

Low boost setup yes, but ill see how it goes, maybe go deeper into the internals of the M111 like Paul/23K.

Im doing this project somewhat slowly, my car is a daily driver I cant just rip stuff out and not have a car to use the next day, so im doing little steps at a time, until when I have ALL the parts needed Ill take a day or two and work my ass off.

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by 23K
Hey,
looks like it all went fairly well!,much better with an engine lifter;)...did you have much issuse with sliding it out once the engine was up?

Does that fitting angle downwards?

Logan,
Must be bout time you went bush mech on the 280T setup:D:D...

yea it wasnt all that hard, just the left engine mount was in the way and the sway bar had to be ripped out, nothing really major at all, assembly went very fast and smoothly.

sliding it out was a little hassle but its all good ive seen worse. the fitting does have a bit of an angle downwards but its hard to see since the picture is slanted.

[c280nz]

yea... ignition timing is a hard nut to crack on mercs without it becoming to expensive and complicated.
if it starts to knock you can always just try options such as better fuel( not sure on what ur allound in you area?) cooler intake temps through maby water/methonal injection into air charge or onto intercooler, or are you maby thinking water/air intercooler?
if you can get the charge air cool u shud be ok :confused:
but hey i dont fully know what im talking about
so if u learn anything about ignition timing adjustment with relative easy let us know (not the lengths paul goes to :D hehe)

Wots wrong with the standard fuel rail? is it just too small wiht bad flow?

[Proven Guilty]

i would have went with cardboard under the oil pan, as well as instead of using that nice area rug :p hehe

nice to see you're putting in the wrench time.

[Nitrogenbalance]

What about a SplitSecond MAF unit for making adjustments to timing???? I know this works on the M113 V8's.........

[RemoLexi]

I will be running an Intercooler.

@Proven Guilty, thats a garage rug. its hidious anyway.

... and yes that was some good quality bonding with my M111. :p

awaiting the charger ... getting impateint because the header is just sitting there and its pissing me off. :confused:

[Nitrogenbalance]

Are you saying you will be running an intercooler in order to control timing and or detonation???? Thats kind of an indirect way. Having control over actuall timing would be best. That way if you end up cranking mega boost and the IC can't keep up you can pull timing as neccesary.


Originally posted by RemoLexi
I will be running an Intercooler.

@Proven Guilty, thats a garage rug. its hidious anyway.

... and yes that was some good quality bonding with my M111. :p

awaiting the charger ... getting impateint because the header is just sitting there and its pissing me off. :confused:

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by Nitrogenbalance
Are you saying you will be running an intercooler in order to control timing and or detonation???? Thats kind of an indirect way. Having control over actuall timing would be best. That way if you end up cranking mega boost and the IC can't keep up you can pull timing as neccesary.

No im just saying, because i think somebody asked if I was going to run an IC.

[RemoLexi]

Just ordered, Intercooler, oil pressure, temperature and boost guages.

Turbo has arrived, will give it a test install next week. Header and turbocharger are both ready. New dump pipe arrived.

Soon to order:
-2 more Accel 24LB fuel injecters
-Intercooler piping

pix next week maybe ?

wish me luck .. :)

[Pagz]

Man i wish you all the luck i never got!!...
hope it goes together without too much hassel!,hows the IC being installed?...pretty sure there aint much room behind that OE bumper;)

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by 23K
Man i wish you all the luck i never got!!...
hope it goes together without too much hassel!,hows the IC being installed?...pretty sure there aint much room behind that OE bumper;)

on the bright side paul, i'm just going to move to new zealand and sell my body for your car once you work all the bugs out, that way you'll still get to buy your audi :)

[RemoLexi]

Ive measured the space I have to work with, and ordered a small intercooler. Ill figure something out it wont be a big deal.

Thanks ! :)

.. and Proven Guilty, you would have to sell your kidneys and your ballsac just to get the intake manifold!
;)

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
Ive measured the space I have to work with, and ordered a small intercooler. Ill figure something out it wont be a big deal.

Thanks ! :)

.. and Proven Guilty, you would have to sell your kidneys and your ballsac just to get the intake manifold!
;)

nah, i've got a pretty solid idea of what paul's got into his project right now. i've been wrenching for quite some time myself ;)

[c280nz]

definatly need to see some pics :cool:
i wish you luck with the next few steps,
when are you gona let us in with ur secret about what ecu mod you are gona do.

And a bit of advice on the low key:
stop talking to paul or itl cost you 7 times more than u expected and never get done, and wined up the hole forum with amazing teaser photos :D
haha jus jks

[Pagz]

Originally posted by Proven Guilty
on the bright side paul, i'm just going to move to new zealand and sell my body for your car once you work all the bugs out, that way you'll still get to buy your audi :)

lol im starting to think financially I'd be better off just to give it to you now and buy the Audi:D



stop talking to paul or itl cost you 7 times more than u expected and never get done, and wined up the hole forum with amazing teaser photos


LOL:D.....................(has no comeback)

[RemoLexi]

Yea i realized talking to Paul rubs a little bad luck onto me ... SERIOUSLY - 1st, intercooler was lost in shipping, money was refunded tho, 2nd is on the way just out today. then we have the turbo - came in defective - new parts for it on the way, 3rd we have the oil return fitting - aluminium washer starts leaking and im praying I can go get it just welded up instead of removing the oil pan ALL OVER AGIAN - which in fact the got me sick and off my feet for almost 2 weeks!!!

... so you see, even though im not paying Paul for any of his help - its still costing me!!!

@c280nz, no secrets here about any ECU mods, really tho all I have planned is a Speed innovation chip tuned to work with the turbo closer. im going for a low-boost setup but ill see what that gets me, I know the turbo can put out as much as 25PSI with the boost controller but thats pushing it. I have stock internals here anyway. ill just go for a low-boost setup and leave it at that, since Ive got a new car in mind this summer... as a clue to my next car - Think "No pistons"! ;)

[Markland556]

RX-7??
LOL, well anyway, i think its time to post some pictures, im dieing to see all your work. Lets see some pics of how you made your header?

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by 23K
lol im starting to think financially I'd be better off just to give it to you now and buy the Audi:D





LOL:D.....................(has no comeback)

trust me, i'm ok with that!

how much for shipping to 92057? :D:D:D

[RemoLexi]

pictures ya want ehh ? Naw ... i think ill tease you a little, im waiting to bolt it onto the car along with the charger, ill ghetto tube the intake part so I can do a quick test run. all oil/water feeds are done and capped so they are ready to go! :)

stay tuned ..

[Markland556]

Allright, but as soon as you get that all done i really wanna see where you tapped all your lines. Iv also heard that you got a header for another car and made it work??? I really wanna know, you seem to be doing alot less insane stuff than most people. No pistons or intake... LOL
Nice and simple. But i need some pics, im gunna die here, your really making a turbo look pretty simple.. LOL

Edit: I think i know what header your using!! LOL My extreme investigation continues...

[RemoLexi]

hahaha okay as for your intrest in tapping the oil/water feeds its very simple, Its hard to take a picture for you as its hard to even see the bolt but you have to feel it.

oil feed - like 23K said theres a hex bolt plug near the dipstick - you just go buy a fitting for it and bolt the fittin in its simple. same goes for the water feed they are about a foot apart on the same side of the engine block, I may get a picture of the water feed as its right underneath the header and easy to see.

for more info on the oil/water feeds - search threads that 23K started and go through all of them, I know I did and found alot of useful tips without having to annoy 23K himself with a million and a half stupid questions. :p

now, my project is very simple, ive never turbo'ed a car before - just a damn Goped LOL thats why im keeping it so simple if it fails - hell with it. the header ive got ... well its VERY close to working with the benz I did have to drill holes in the flange and im still not exactly 100% sure that it will be fine, if not then I have 23K's first header flange and I may have to weld that on and add a little angle to it so its away from the engine mount and the frame. my turbo is a bottom-mount since cops and all that crap - well I just dont want the turbo to hit your eyes as soon as you open the hood of my car. look at the engine bay 23K has, if a cop in Cali sees that - I can get death penalty :rolleyes: so that means no bright blue colors just chrome n black!

if you THINK you know where my header originated from, send me a PM ill tell ya if your on the right track. ive givin many many clues :p ;)

[Markland556]

well i thought i knew but i looked at the bolt holes and they dont even come close to matching up. I think im just gunna buy an EVO header and eigither buy that header piece from you or get one made. Then just do some welding.

[Proven Guilty]

my bet is an evo turbo and header since they're so similar of size, displacement, and flange shape/bolt pattern

[Markland556]

Everything is the same except the bolt pattern.
The bolts on the Benz are on the sides of the holes, and the Evo has them right above and in between.

See:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_293_full.jpg
and the Evo 8 one:

http://s1.promotionsupplies.com/ebay/etdmotors/images/manifold/au-mf-evo8-2.jpg

[Pagz]

Originally posted by Proven Guilty
trust me, i'm ok with that!

how much for shipping to 92057? :D:D:D

:p

[RemoLexi]

MarkLand ... I bet you went through my Ebay feedback section and seen all the stuff ive bought didnt you ?? :D

[RemoLexi]

and 23K, see how your manifold has those bolt pins inserted to bolt the TC, well your gonna have a tough time removing those like say 30,000 miles later - they get toasted on and when you go removing them they snap. Ive had that happen many times before at the shop - best way to go is just a bolt/nut on the other ends and no threads in the manifold flange.

[Markland556]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
MarkLand ... I bet you went through my Ebay feedback section and seen all the stuff ive bought didnt you ?? :D

I just had to find out where your getting your dam header from! LOL, and since your not saying anything i took it upon myself to do a little snooping.

[RemoLexi]

Nosey ...!! :D

[Markland556]

thats what happens when i know people are keeping all these secrets!! LOL;)

[Under Pressure]

Turbo W202 projects always bring me back to club202!! I will be following you closely. I had the second turbo's W202 here. These cars are so much fun boosted (which car isnt?)

[Pagz]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
and 23K, see how your manifold has those bolt pins inserted to bolt the TC, well your gonna have a tough time removing those like say 30,000 miles later - they get toasted on and when you go removing them they snap. Ive had that happen many times before at the shop - best way to go is just a bolt/nut on the other ends and no threads in the manifold flange.

ill be slap'n alittle high temp antiseize on there,works well;)
(plus theres no room for nuts)

[Pagz]

Ok iv finally gone and done it;),heres where the oil and potentially where your water feed comes from on the block.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_297_full.jpg


heres where i ran my oil to the sensor mount...

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_298_full.jpg

[RemoLexi]

oh sure ... and why couldnt u show me those pictures I had to burn my hand to feel for that hex bung thing and water feed! LoL great pictures and yep thats exactly where I tapped in.

now, a little tease, well all my turbo and stuff is at my cusins house, so I took a little trip over and used his camera for a couple quick pix! :D

http://a20.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/46/l_8bdd4c2fe74c713a05b6a371f2010beb.jpg
http://a331.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_fb442ad09805213d658ec7fe8402306a.jpg

[Pagz]

hahaha yeh,about that...you should have been patiant:D...lol jks,it just so happened i had the manifold out yesturday;)

looks great!,do you still think that flange will take it?..for a good fit i reckon you will need the one i sent you!...

interseting how they have the two O2 sensor pickups on the manifold,is it because its too hard to have one?,theres no room on the down pipe?,or do they need two for the car it was made for?...or maybe just for tuning purposes?...hmmm

[Pagz]

well all my turbo and stuff is at my cusins house, so I took a little trip over and used his camera for a couple quick pix!

Oh an now im really starting to think Rollin = Remolexi lol

[97C28O]

Originally posted by 23K
Oh an now im really starting to think Rollin = Remolexi lol

:werd:

I see his W203 thats been hit before.. And the Lexus.. Hehe... Where's his M3?

[jnolte]

Originally posted by 97C28O
:werd:

I see his W203 thats been hit before.. And the Lexus.. Hehe... Where's his M3?

this is what i thought all along,its weird how rollingrealbig just randomly stopped posting when remolexi started, also rolling would or showed us pics of his new M3. I think rollin=remo

[OCKlasse]

I hypothesized this as well...

[RemoLexi]

lol ill get rollin to post his M3, no I could never get you guys pix of any turbo because 1. No digital camera and 2. since hes got all the tools all the stuff stays at his house! he doesnt keep the M3 in the garage it lives outside cuz thats the way he sneeks out at night my mom doesnt care so I dont need to sneek out im 19 now. :p

[RemoLexi]

... what would the point of that be ?

[Pagz]

Scandalous :D:D:D

[Pagz]

i changed my name once,right at the start though;).

[c280nz]

Who ever the hell you are i love your mod, and that header combo looks trick!
Just remember to take it easy and dont run any boost until you get it on a dyno, u dont wana lean it out and pop ;)

[RemoLexi]

ya thanks! LOL screen name is Remolexi, real name is Andrey, or my friends call me Drey .. its shorter.

anyway, got the wastegate actuater and all the oil/water lines hooked up, everything is cleaned up and ready to be test bolted on. Ill give it a go next Wednesday. I wont run ANY boost, just have it bolted see how it spools, see if there is good clearence at all RPM ranges and check for any leaks that may occur.

[Pagz]

Sounds good Drey,
are you planning to tie the wastegate open for the test?,hope it all works out man!.

[RemoLexi]

ya ill pop off the actuater and tie it completly open. its gonna be loud -since it will just be coming out of the dump pipe no exhuast yet ..

[Pagz]

yeh man LOUD!

[RemoLexi]

ill just tell people its a V12.

[Markland556]

So was i right about the header?? Looks pretty dam close!

[RemoLexi]

we will see just how close wednesday when we test fit it.

[Markland556]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
we will see just how close wednesday when we test fit it.
You havent even bolted it up yet??

[RemoLexi]

I have 23K's flange, I placed that over the Evo header to see how it lines up - the ports were perfect but I did have to drill extra holes . no I havnt got around to removing my stock manifold since the bottom last copper nut got stripped and I cant fit a socket down there ... I just have to reach down there and file it away I guess and its not easy since my car is my daily driver everytime I get home the engine is too hot to touch. Wednesdays I have days off so I can try to see what I can do.

[Markland556]

Would you be willing to sell me 23k's old flange?

[RemoLexi]

Heres pix of the intercooler, I had a tough time mounting it at my house - no tools at all!!!

looks wack ill have a go at it tomarrow I need to raise it and get a new bumper ASAP thinking either a Lumma tuning or a reiger like Jstrat has.


http://a267.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/59/l_6481899b9998ae251b9ba8b251fc2312.jpg

and theres my first car I had ... the SE-R Vspec

loved her, but not a fan of FWD so my younger sister gets to keep it haha :p

[RemoLexi]

Markland if i end up not needing that flange its all yours, $45 thats exactly what I payed for it.

[Markland556]

alright, sounds good

[RemoLexi]

uhh , ya I remounted my IC a lil higher and better, and spent my day working on Sacc230's car. I tried unbolting my stock manifold today but the nut in the very back bottom closest to the downpipe got stripped!! I dont even know how to get it off since I cant fit a socket of any size in there. i tried using a wrench but it just rounded off the sides of the hexagon .. What can I do now I cant reach in there and cut it off with anything!!

next idea is bolt cutters while car is on a lift .. Pray to God i have enogh space for those in theres!! :(

[Pagz]

Hey man,
Is the thread stripped..or the outside of the nut?.
..if the outside of the nut is stripped maybe try using vice grips?!?.


Please tell me you dont use one of these on your car:D

http://www.pixelhaus.co.uk/images/spanner.jpg

if so definatly invest in a nice set of spanners,and a ratchet set like this is soo handy,especially tight manifold nuts.

http://www.fine-tools.co.uk/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/pp-cpg08m.jpg


Great!,the IC's in!
whats the dimensions of the IC core?

[RemoLexi]

no i dont even have that adjustable wrech, I have a set of those other ratchets but i dont use hose either - I have enough space for a 12mm deep socket and thats what i used to get all of them out, till the last nut was very tight in there so I went underneath the car with a 12mm wrench ... it just got rounded off. im kinna pissed cuz thats thrwoing my project off :mad:

[RemoLexi]

core is 21"x6"x2.5"

overall is 27" long .... 2.5" inlet/outlet port to match all the pipe size im going with.

[Markland556]

heat the bolt up with a torch, and try to only get the bolt as much as possible, then grab a pair of channel locks, and just squeeze like crazy, then turn.

[Proven Guilty]

just what markland said - could also clamp on vicegrips to try and turn it. the reason it got stripped is that its entirely common for the exhaust manifold/header bolts to shrink over time as they get cherry red from the heat.

on the old chevy V8's i would work on, isntead of using a standard socket, you would sometimes have to hammer a comparable metric socket to get them off

[RemoLexi]

Im going to be trying to use a small grinding tool and grind the side of the nut off and the chisel it out - they are copper so it shouldnt be too hard, but space is an issue. :(

[RemoLexi]

gauges came in, they are really nice, maybe pix tonight.

but, bad news is, I have to get one of those billet senser mounts 23K has ... I have just the person who can make one, BUT cost will be around $80. hmm ...

[Pagz]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
gauges came in, they are really nice, maybe pix tonight.

but, bad news is, I have to get one of those billet senser mounts 23K has ... I have just the person who can make one, BUT cost will be around $80. hmm ...

PICS!!!.....;)


80's pretty darn good!, + theres not to many neat ways to do it.

[RemoLexi]

ya i was up til 1am wiring them up and making a custom mount plate for them, man they are so nice but I only got the like 60% wired up, right now all they do it glow and the arrows go all the way up - then drop > like they are supposed to ..

oh by the way, my boost gauge is mechanical, 23K do you know of a good place in the stock manifold I can cut the vacuum line and plug the gauge into ? Thanks ..

yea the sensor mount is still in the thinking process before i can be sure of a plan and go for it.

[Pagz]

Sounds good!,
Depending on the manifold you have?(cast alloy or plastic)
you can tap off the same line thats feeding the OE fuel pressure regulator.

just a Note:make sure you tap a line that has very little air flow,ie it feeds a small diapram or sensor etc,otherwise depending on the sensitivity of the gauge you may get fluctuations...
the most accurate tap point is directly off the manifold,close to the TB,its not always practical however.



PICS PICS PICS:D

[RemoLexi]

wow perfect! I have the plastic manifold ...

then if i find the right hardware to tap directly off the manifold ill do it

ahh, pix I keep making excuses - last night I got a surprise party for my Bday, all the drinking and parting like Russians .... :D so anything car related was out of my mind!

[RemoLexi]

UPDATE:
heres pix of the new gauges,
http://a992.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/55/l_8a701d2ea45f19634421766eea55a907.jpg
http://a917.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/53/l_ee1502a6adcc6bffd2ba1c418ad7b1cc.jpg

7 differnt colors, tinted so when car is off you cant see them.

next week ill be ordering,

FMIC 2.5" piping
HKS BOV
BOV pipe
OBX Air filter,
And getting new rubber for the 17" W203 sport rims =)

Possibly ordering,

MagnaFlow exhuast
GlowShift Air/Fuel gauge and relocating my Boost gauge to the A-pillar.

[Markland556]

did you get the header mounted up yet??

[RemoLexi]

no ... not yet, I need to put the car on a lift and grind that rounded copper nut off. I dont have a lift I dont have a grinder and i dont have an air-compressor ... :( ill figure sumthing.

[Pagz]

Happy Bday man!,
gauge install looks great!!

just a note:If your planning to install an A/F gauge make sure you get somthing useful rather than utilising the OE sensor for a dial or row of colours flickering back and forth,use a wideband lambda setup with datalogging so you can view the engine run,since that header of yours has so many O2 inputs it shouldnt be an issue adding the additional sensor.

somthing like this...
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTS.php

I have the hand held meter version,works great!.

Paul

[RemoLexi]

THANKS! :D

yea so I read that the Air/Fuel is very important ..
I dont know I just want to get one that matches ... for now.

[RemoLexi]

and a little something for the Ladies ... :D :p

http://a208.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/56/l_4b4c88bfdae72f6645eb2b9bfc97068f.jpg

Adds 15HP!

[Pagz]

hahaha NICE;)

[RemoLexi]

got carried away with new rims instead of finishing off the turbo project ... 19" Lorinser LM5's.

http://a322.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_9f3f637b32be75ef0771a0f5fe8e5e79.jpg

[Pagz]

Photochop?

ahh shit didnt get that quote for bung,will do tomorrow,i need to wiegh it.

[sacc230]

nope its real..no photo shopchop

[Pagz]

Nice looks clean man!....now get that damn turbo in:D

[RemoLexi]

well, my project hasnt been completly dead ... me and Sacc230 ordered a couple MagnaFlows for our W202's.

I transfered to another school so maybe my shop teacher can help me with that rounded nut :( I havnt tried to touch it at all since everytime i get home the car is damn hot.

Got a new rear bumper lip - posted in "Body Mods section" its okay but I need to work on it now that I scrapped it.

no word yet on when the turbo will be test mounted, soon I hope because i dont want to go off the tracks too much into body mods/wheels. really needing a manual transmission since I can feel the car has good power (for a stock car) but it isnt being used right. I mean im cruizing at 50MPH and I dont want to be in 5th gear then downshifting takes to long and throws me in like 3rd gear when really 4th would have been enough :mad:

[Markland556]

any update on how that turbo bolts up?

[RemoLexi]

no word on it yet. i have been slacking alot and still no plan of how im going to get that rounded nut off, my auto shop teacher is sort of a prick since all he does it talk about pistons and all that crap im sleeping because I already know it all.

I got my MagnaFlow in last night, Ill have it welded up this week I hope, i tried having my teacher in auto shop do it for me, but he has a really old lift where its in-ground and lift your car from underneath and I couldnt get my car on it it was too low.

Yea this week I will try to put my time into this turbo project more since well all ive been working is other peoples' cars and not have time to even fiddle with the little isues I have on my car. :o

[RemoLexi]

Okay, just got back from this one guy who works at a machine shop (metal works) I wanted him to remove that rounded nut if he could, and nothing good comes my way. he said there is no F***in air tool that would get in there ... and using a file ? youll forget what your trying to do in the first place!


he can bearly see it fron underneath the car, and no way/space from above.

Next step, -Pull the engine. :(

I dont know if Ill be continuing this project at all or swerving to the side a little ... what I mean by that is it better be for a damn good reason like an engine swap not just to remove a god-damned rounded manifold nut !

Alright, pulling the engine, theres bolts that go to the transmission - the torque converter, and the trans. housing, then theres the engine mounts (easy shit) and all the electrical. whats are the other difficult stops that may slow me down. my car is a daily driver I need it on the road ASAP if i do pull my engine. :(

man Pual, your bad luck sure found its way onto me and heck i didnt even have to pay shipping for it. :p

[Pagz]

and heck i didnt even have to pay shipping for it.

lol




i dont think you should remove the engine,there must be a way...even a file would be better than that.

can you take a photo??

[RemoLexi]

Id love to take a photo, but I wish a camera would even fit in that spot - meaning no I cant take a photo! :(

ill try to do something tomarrow, if not out goes the engine NEXT week. my W203 rims sold so so I have money to get my 19" tires now for the LM5's. I have my MagnaFlow but no shop wanted to weld it today they were all pricks and said they were busy. :mad:

this is a horrible day.

[Markland556]

well if you decide to ditch the turbo, i would be happy to buy some of the stuff off you. LOL

[RemoLexi]

Yea I may sell you that flange you needed.

forget it. next monday engine is coming out. :( id start it tomarrow but I cant, I have to travel to pick up some things and you guys know how weekends go - gurls, parties, racing maybe ect. no way I can be without my car.

alright Paul, maybe you can give me a few tips, any problems you run into removing your engine ? did you disconnect every sensor or just disconnect the whole harness off the ECU ?

I also have a cracked oil pan which needs to be welded I can do anything to fix that leak so its also pushing me to ripping the engine out. I will also search and ask around for forged pistons and internals if I find the things im looking for then Ill definatly go the whole 9 yards.

My headgasket is leaking but VERY VERY slightly I dont even know if thats okay or not but you know this and that may all get fixed with a total rebuild. I do want Porting balancing and stuff that would be very nice!

But I need to know what the out-of-pocket on this is going to be,

I know when ripping my engine apart theres those bearings/gaskets/water pump/ belt/ so much more to list and think of all the labor such as boring it honing balancing sandblasting the block ect ect.

[RemoLexi]

MagnaFlow is installed heres pix,

http://a366.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_c19558ddb2dbc58252e36376458c33bd.jpg http://a999.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_79b96471bc0c2f2ab0d4a50f4a346186.jpg

anyone intrested in a video ?? cmon ... before i pull my engine this monday.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
MagnaFlow is installed heres pix,

http://a366.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_c19558ddb2dbc58252e36376458c33bd.jpg http://a999.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_79b96471bc0c2f2ab0d4a50f4a346186.jpg

anyone intrested in a video ?? cmon ... before i pull my engine this monday.

I want a vid!

[RemoLexi]

After 20Minutes of playing with those bushings - I set the exhuast a little higher then the first two pix so now its sits clean in the cut-out. give the video a few hours or so to process.

VIDEO: PROCESSING!

http://a940.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/32/l_4312b21ac536477ca34cc701bc8828d3.jpg
http://a257.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/l_061645985674601c51ec9a7d3dd74338.jpg

[rman]

if you can afford to have the engine out for awhile, you could try install the entire turbo setup before dropping the engine back in. it'd be way faster and then you just slap the bitch back in the bay.

i had a buddy who did this, he fabbed up the entire setup, headers and all, pulled the motor, threw on the turbo, and popped it back in.

[RemoLexi]

I will definatly test fit it but I need much more to buy to do that.

[RemoLexi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJqX4z8fj6s

[Proven Guilty]

you put the stock wheels back on?:o

[jnolte]

i thought ur car was all messed up from the accident?

[RemoLexi]

ya the front end is a little underneath ... its not noticable at all but i have vibrations from the front rims being bent.

stock wheels are on since i sold the 17"s and the 19"s need tires which I will get soon because I sold my 17"s.

but i still have to sell tires FOR the 17''s.

[Pagz]

hey if your removing the engine it wouldnt be a bad idea to find a haynes manual,so you have all the torque specs etc.

man your starting to sound very serious about removing that engine...and if your going internal i hope it doesnt take as long as its taken me!;)

[RemoLexi]

Monday ill be pulling the engine. if all goes well, Ill start her back up that night, Ill work from 7am - 1am no problem.

guys think its possible ? ive got the tools ... engine crane, some ramps, huge box of tools. Hmmaer > most universal tool of all! :p

ive thought about it - why should i give up huh ? ill just pull the engine out real quick toss it back in no biggie!

then next ill be searching the prices of forged pistons, boring & honing, balancing, port and polish, and all the little things invlolved. Paul, any help on getting forsged pistons ? whats wrong with the 1st and 2nd set of JE pistons ?

[Pagz]

yeah i dont see why it cant be done in one day,make sure you have all the torque specs on hand.

i think you should get the low pressure system running before you think about any internal work,TRUST ME!!!=)

[RemoLexi]

alright thats fine! so i guess ill start monday, lets hope the dealer has pan gasket in stock for me ... :)

[Pagz]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
alright thats fine! so i guess ill start monday, lets hope the dealer has pan gasket in stock for me ... :)

Yeah i went through two new ones also lol

[RemoLexi]

just got my oil pan and good news! I was able to use a lift at my uncles shop, I unbolted the downpipe and it gave me JUST enough room to fit a die-grinder tool ... which I cut that damn nut off with! :) so next monday, maybe even tomarrow, Ill be replacing the oil pan gasket agian and getting it welded (it has a hairline crack) and test fitting the turbo FINALLY! WooHoo!! :D

so I dont have to remove my engine ... that is , unless I go through the internals!

[Pagz]

Excellent!,thought there must have been a better way!!,get some pics up when you fit that turbo;)

[RemoLexi]

not so smooth, alright took a jab at it few hours ago at my cousins house,

first things first - heres the remains of the nut i had to rip out LOL.
http://a618.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/50/l_f37eb785d46a729235a69c175ab232f9.jpg

Header sits nice in there,

http://a491.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/8/l_fb194d2cfa5de4cb980d59b171954bd2.jpg

http://a119.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_a81f848197d53dd55a2ec9ab345748be.jpg


I can bolt up the header, but the turbo has serious clearence issues. I messed up somewhere along the line since my measurements where using a stock Evo 8 header not a racing one.

I bearly clear the engine mount - if i even do. but worst of all I need to either lower or relocate the alternator since the housing of the turbo sits so far up front. I can move the air pump underneath it and put the alternator there but I have no idea how the belt will run since its not a good path. I need to think this through some more. in the mean time - the car is ripped apart at my cousins house. :( I have already taken out the waste-gate for an external one since no way can the internal wastegate actuater fit there as well. :( Thats that still thinking this over and over. I would really not like to have to make a custom header as this one is very strong and nicely built.

[Pagz]

Dont worry,...it was going to happen..no matter how much planning went into it...lol


So you have an air pump...hmm whats that for?...i can only think of self leveling suspension.


Forget shifting the alternator,
You've come this far...I would sell the evo header and have someone use that flange i sent you to make a mild steel thick wall header...there is no reason why it couldnt be done within a reasonable budget...man i wish i had have had the LHD's huge space down there;)

[RemoLexi]

ill see what i can find out ...

and oh ya - its some sort of an air pump looking thing ... its not pully driven, and it has power wires to it - judging by the way it looks like an air pump of some sort and it has a screen filter on the side so it must be some sort of pump.

[Markland556]

ok, so the holes on the header line up?? How is that possible? I really need some pics here. LOL

It really sucks that cali is so strict, i wanna run my turbo up top to show it off. LOL Good to know that it works though.

[RemoLexi]

the ports line up fine, maybe 3mm off on the far right and 3mm off on the far left. BUT, no way would the turbo bolt right up.

ive removed Engine mount, Alternator all the pipes tubes lines ects. and still the turbo housing is too close to the engine wall and wont let it sit. I need to have a custom header made if i continue the project. if not I may go with an Eaton M62. :(

I have my car back now all put together so thats goo.d I did make a little video clip throwin up some flames from the header. I may upload it if you guys intrested.

[rman]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
I would really not like to have to make a custom header as this one is very strong and nicely built.

i would either try stock or get a custom built one.

Aftermarket headers are typically made of a lot thinner material than OEM headers or other cast headers. That is why on a lot of cars that have headers, you get the tick tick tick from the valvetrain that drives you crazy cuz you think it's an exhaust leak.

But more importantly, thick OEM headers or get some nice Custom built headers out of a thick, heavy metal will get nice and hot, and the hot air will spool the turbo up quicker.

****
just did a quick check, i had a buddy build some headers out of sch 10 stainless. very thick, and stainless, I imagine expensive too. Thick to the point where it doesn't bend, you have to use multiple sections.

[Markland556]

well why dont you cut up the evo header and make a top mount turbo, or sell me the header and ill do it. LOL

[RemoLexi]

Markland if you want to buy the project give me an offer,

ill let go of the Evo header, the turbo the dump pipe, 23K's flange, and all the goodies that came with the turbo, such as the stock oil/water lines/ actuater and stuff. I also have new set of gaskets that came with the header set. Ill included a water fitting for the block also. the turbo has just been rebuilt I bought a rebuild kit and then had the CHRA balanced as well.

Make an offer before i change my mind. my next plan is Eaton M62.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
Markland if you want to buy the project give me an offer,

ill let go of the Evo header, the turbo the dump pipe, 23K's flange, and all the goodies that came with the turbo, such as the stock oil/water lines/ actuater and stuff. I also have new set of gaskets that came with the header set. Ill included a water fitting for the block also. the turbo has just been rebuilt I bought a rebuild kit and then had the CHRA balanced as well.

Make an offer before i change my mind. my next plan is Eaton M62.

giving up already?

[RemoLexi]

yea ... for today at least. :( but still not giving up on forced induction.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
yea ... for today at least. :( but still not giving up on forced induction.

so what else would you do? Supercharger?

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
my next plan is Eaton M62.

yep.

[Markland556]

Well i have no idea what you would want for it all. Maby we can work out a trade + $$. My dad owns and operates and Mercedes shop so if you have any older mercedes we have alot of parts. And can get parts for your benz at wholesale prices. Just PM me if your interested. I would love to just buy everything you have.

[RemoLexi]

I dont think I need any parts the moment ... But heres what ive payed for everythnig,

Turbo - $300
Turbo came in with shaft play so I had it rebuilt- $100
the Evo header & dump pipe was somewhere around $140
23K's Flange was $45
and the fitting I have extra for you was $20.

Paypal me $525 and its all yours that includes shipping. if not then I will put this stuff up on ebay shortly.

[RemoLexi]

Hey Paul do you think Eaton M90 will be too much ? M62 seems pretty bulky, the M90 looks nice and clean and easy to fab up things to. I dont want M45 its just too small.

[jnolte]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
I dont think I need any parts the moment ... But heres what ive payed for everythnig,

Turbo - $300
Turbo came in with shaft play so I had it rebuilt- $100
the Evo header & dump pipe was somewhere around $140
23K's Flange was $45
and the fitting I have extra for you was $20.

Paypal me $525 and its all yours that includes shipping. if not then I will put this stuff up on ebay shortly.

that was quick, wheres the drive at? nO DETERMINATION! :confused:

[Markland556]

well, i think you got yourself a deal. Gimme till tonight and i will swing by the bank and make a little deposite. Do you have any of the fittings for the oil lines left over?

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
Hey Paul do you think Eaton M90 will be too much ? M62 seems pretty bulky, the M90 looks nice and clean and easy to fab up things to. I dont want M45 its just too small.

neither would work very well. i've done the research before as i've already considered this, and the superchargers are a different animal from the turbos. the M62 and M90 are too large for the displacement, and you can even research the info off the eaton website.

stick with the turbo, just aim for low boost - like 11lbs.

edit: a sidenote... the M90 eats 90 horsepower from the engine being belt driven alone. this is a figure from V8s

[RemoLexi]

Markland I have my oil fittings, but Im going to be using those for the oil sensers.

maybe ill consider a differnt turbo setup. :(

M45 wouldnt get me much at all. Ill keep thrying a differnt setup.

[Markland556]

sorry to go back on what i said, but it doesnt look like i will be able to buy that stuff from you. Cash is comming up a little short... LOL

[RemoLexi]

no problem ... maybe thats a sign telling me to not give up. you let me know if you become intrested if you catch me in a time that I would preffer to sell this stuff then lucky you if not then good luck for the both of us! I may still sell you the flange you wanted I will let you know when it will be 100% uneeded in my application! :)

[Pagz]

Dude wheres the determination:D


Is there a local workshop that could make you a thick wall header?,you should at least get a price!...if done right it will fix your issues...use the internal wastegate to save $$ and get them to hook the down pipe to the OE while its there.

[Pagz]

DO NOT GIVE UP lol:dead:

[RemoLexi]

heres where my determination went ...

http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12192

[RemoLexi]

UPDATE:

sorry forgot to post some test-fitting pictures, but heres new spec's

-TD05H turbo instead of the TD05HR
-Top-mount instead of bottom mount
-oil pan job was redone .. agian.
-Hollowed out cat.s
-Magnaflow installed
-CAI (for now)
-FMIC installed (for the past 2 months no cop trouble yet)


Turbo was test fitted and no space issues :) im in no rush to finish this project as ive got more important car repairs such as the suspension, brakes and new front bumper (safety comes first)

http://a534.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/122/l_2c0f692091f31de98e79fbffff38eb75.jpg

[Green Lantern]

what u mean by no cop trouble from ur fmic?

[pisit]

Looking Great!
good to see another 202 turbocharged, and lucky you left-handed car! no space issue like Paul and me :tired:
how much boost will you run?

[RemoLexi]

no more then 1 bar for me, im intrernally stock here! :p

I just want to have the car a little bit quicker thats all.

normally when you see a nice aftermarket fmic the cops know cars' been modified which is ILLEGAL in CA. so far, no trouble for me.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
no more then 1 bar for me, im intrernally stock here! :p

I just want to have the car a little bit quicker thats all.

normally when you see a nice aftermarket fmic the cops know cars' been modified which is ILLEGAL in CA. so far, no trouble for me.

paint it black-sleeper status

[c280nz]

1 bars pritty serious for stock n/a internals, what computer you planning on running? or u gona run water or methanol injection or something to get those temps down?

[pisit]

1 bar! i'm thinking of running .8bar for high boost and .6bar for a city run only. what is the compression rate of a C230? since mine is a C220 and i noticed that CR is about 9.6:1 and checking to see if a gasket from a C230K is compatible with the C220 motor or not.
anywayz, looking forward to see the progress on ur turbo project.

[RemoLexi]

8.8-1, up to 1 bar is a bit risky but ill give it a try before I end up ripping internals out and finding some custom pistons.

Im running a small turbo so I cant expect much from that but it leans me to the safer side I guess. :)

[alphanumeric]

wow this car has come a long way! I remember it doing burnouts in a garage... now its having a turbo installed..

[RemoLexi]

theres some stuff I havnt posted. I have a source to a place who will make a custom header for the turbo, id have to leave my car there so he can make sure theres no issues with clearence.

next ive really been focusing on my suspension, next is the brakes. after that I have to get a new front bumper- it looks very bad with this broken one.

ive been searching and searching gathering information to be safe with this, im still unclear about how rich/lean the car may be - say I go with the 24lb injecters - they will only spray the amount of fuel the ECU tells them by reading the air flow meter, so, if I get a bigger MAF pipe - more air will get by, but it wont be giving my car enough fuel - running lean. if I get a smaller pipe then stock - it will get less air going by .. running rich ? :confused: also the location of the MAF itself - either its before the turbos' cold side or after the intercooler before the TB.

[c280nz]

um i dont know if youd want to be running 1 bar on standard computer. i wouldnt want to run much above like 2psi on a standard computer, even with bigger injectors.... they dont sence boost, you need to get a piggyback with a map sensor because you car needs more fuel under boost, and a normal air flow meter wont read this.

and the best place for the air flow meter is on the cold side of the turbo so it measures the air going into the turbo at atmospheric preasure.

and are you sure your car only has 8.8-1 compression ratio? thats really low, you should do some more research to confirm this.

peace

[Len013091]

Remo might have gotten a larger gasket to lower it, but MB says its somewhere near 10.4-1.

8.8-1 is the Compression ration for the Kompressor models, so, I'm guessing you will use a Komp. gasket.

[Pagz]

I dont think MB uses gaskets to lower compression?!?,you will most likely find a difference in rod,piston,maybe crank...

[RemoLexi]

Correct! my N/A C230 came stock at 10.4:1


... this is my mistake, and now I know where I got 8.8:1 from, the C230K.

I will see if theres differnt part numbers for pistons, rods, and gasket. if its just the gasket (hope its that simple) then ill swap it. if its rods, ill see how much that will cost me, if its pistons ... then heck Id rather get some forged ones because I know stock pistons are'nt cheaper. if its easier to just find a used long block then so be it.

[pisit]

i guess the material of the gasket is between the N/A and kompressor, i'm not 100% sure whether the koompressor one is a MLS or not.
Remo, if you have any idea please keep us update so i can order a new kompressor gasket for my engine as well:D

[c280nz]

you dont need to lower the compression, just lower the boost level you are going to run remo and youl end up with the same result, unless you are meaning you are going to get a stronger head gasget also when you lower the compression.
with that compression u should still be able to run maby 6-8psi comfortably with the right computer and tune, and still make reasonable power (maby 250hp)

that is unless of course you choose to go the full internals route.
which you have to basically go stand alone ecu = lotsa coin $$$$ ching ching ching

[C Concept]

250hp with only 6psi of boost?

[c280nz]

were did this come from?
but yea depending on the engine 250hp is easily obtainable from only 6psi, it all depends on engine compression and tuning

[SLAMMED_C]

wow this is an old thread! how did i never notice this?!!

[202brabus]

You should probably read this

http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced%20Engine%20Tuning/Static%20vs%20Dynamic.html

[202brabus]

Having a lower ratio is better for boosting