K&N vs Green vs Stock

[Benz Newbie]

based on the threads ive read here on club202 some people say the k&n messes up MAF others say it works fine. there are debates on this, but whats the final verdict on this issue?

also, should i buy a k&n or try to make my own CAI out of various parts. also i dont care about emissions as long as the car goes faster or sounds better. is there anyway i can raise my emissions and thus raise hp, personally idont care about the gas mielage or emissions tests. also some posts i read on this CAI are old, so now realistcally what pieces would i need for c280 1995 to build a working CAI. where can i buy them?

thanks,
Benz Newbie

[anf6789]

well i have a k and n replacement filter in mine and havn't had any problems with it. two days ago i was playin around with a cone filter and some pipe and fabbed up a temporary intake cuz i was bored,lol. makes the magnaflow exhaust on my car sound 3times louder, its crazy. but i just put my box back in because the intake i made wasnt very pretty. ill make a nicer one someother time.

[Benz Newbie]

"makes the magnaflow exhaust on my car sound 3times louder, its crazy."

thanks for the response cause im here to learn how this intake stuff works, ive seen some CAI stuff on ebay for w202 but the pipe looks short and it ends with a small cone that enters the bottom of airbox. is that a CAI? or do i have to put a long pipe down near the bumper hole where the fog light should be. what causes that to "sound better"? would it sound better on stock exhaust?

[Benz Newbie]

anyone have like a shopping list of parts for a custom CAI, like what stuff to buy at home depot and pepboys, i dont want to order online and wait. if custom CAI is better than regular flat k&n then its prolly more worth it to build the custom CAI,

[Benz Newbie]

for example look at this custom CAI i found on this site. how does replacing the standard air filter with a cone one make it faster and sound better? plus in the pic the pic only ends up in the airbox but not down in the bumper. also, doesnt engine heat mess up this intake?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/MoreTorque99/IMAG0016.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/MoreTorque99/IMAG0017.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/MoreTorque99/IMAG0019.jpg
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[anf6789]

yes people here always debate about cai intakes, if they suck up hot air, because the engine bay in the 202's is alway hot. some people think putting it in the bummper is better because that is where the colder air is,but than you run the risk of getting water in there. it makes the engine louder because oem air boxes are built to be quiet, and its a benz. i like how the k and n works. i also like the bumper design but you have to do some cutting and i really dont want to do that,lol but the intake i made was cheap and was just a test to see if i wanted to make a good one, im still debating.

oh the cone filter has more surface area, and is less restrictive, making more power

[Benz Newbie]

so in order to do the CAI you custom make a pipe to connect to the maf thing then you connect a k&n cone filter and place it in the airbox area near the whole in the bottom where the air comes it? is that what you do? will sufficeint air coming in from the grille hole on the left enter the cone filter? what size cone filter can you get for best performance?

[Benz Newbie]

also is there a way to modify the stock airbox so it sounds louder?

[C280/////AMG]

So many questions!!!

1) If you're deciding whether to use a cold air intake or replace your stock filter, you must ask yourself if you want that induction sound or not. Also, there's nothing wrong with the stock filter...by fitting a K&N replacement, you'll only gain about 1.5 kw, and these will be at your max rpm, not in your lower and mid range. So basically it's not worth it.

2) That picture you've posted there is not a CAI, it's a hot air intake which is actually sucking in hotter air than the stock intake would! and the engine bay of a 202 is not a cold place at all...
That intake is only good for making noise

I strongly recommend you build your own CAI, as it's really easy and it's cheap. All you need is some 3'' PVC piping, some silicone bends and pipe connecters, and finally a 6'' cone filter (I recommend BMC). (look at my CAI under the thread "My CAI". Feel free to ask any questions!

From my experience, the CAI, if done properly, will make your engine slightly more responsive. my consumption is very good when i drive softly (8.5l/100km) so don't believe people when they say your consumption gets worse...it only gets worse cos you wanna hear that sound all the time! Lastly, I've experienced about a 15hp increase, but only from speeds above 150kmh and up...

[c55m8o]

I'll say unequivocally that and oiled filter puts oil on the MAS and results in everything from reduced response and slugishness to all out complete and utter f*cked-up-dom.

I had been driving with a 'affected' MAS for a long time without realizing. I cleaned it and it was noticably better; though I didn't do it right (the 'trick' I think is -- if not using a newer Mass Airflow Sensor specific cleaner -- is to use a bit of brake cleaner after the Gumout).

I then did the engine swap. And I cleaned the filters there at the house where the job was being done. I washed it out in a big cleaner pan he had and let it dry. I then went and oiled it the day before the swap was going to be done. When Carl saw how much oil I put on it, he was like "oh no ... man, you're going to have problems ... I wanted to catch you before you did it ... you should clean that back off, or at least blow the oil out". I did neither. Read the outcome here (finally got a new MAS ... why did I wait so long (http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7908&highlight=mas))

I'd say if you put on a K&N, use a MAS / MAF cleaner about 1000 miles later; or Gumout followed by brake cleaner. Speedybenz has a post on the recommended procedure so you should do a search on it for posts from his handle with MAF or MAS and brake cleaner in the post. Heck, or, here's a quote from him:
Originally posted by speedybenz
To clean the sensor you need to remove it from the round balck tube it is bolted to.

Well I don't see any dirt myself more of a dark varnish. I have found that carb cleaner does a pretty good job of removeing the staining and in some cases the perfromance gain is real and noticable. I typically use brake cleaner to wash the carb cleaner off the sensor parts so there is no residue left.

[Benz Newbie]

"2) That picture you've posted there is not a CAI, it's a hot air intake which is actually sucking in hotter air than the stock intake would! and the engine bay of a 202 is not a cold place at all...
That intake is only good for making noise

I strongly recommend you build your own CAI, as it's really easy and it's cheap. All you need is some 3'' PVC piping, some silicone bends and pipe connecters, and finally a 6'' cone filter (I recommend BMC). (look at my CAI under the thread "My CAI". Feel free to ask any questions!

From my experience, the CAI, if done properly, will make your engine slightly more responsive. my consumption is very good when i drive softly (8.5l/100km) so don't believe people when they say your consumption gets worse...it only gets worse cos you wanna hear that sound all the time! Lastly, I've experienced about a 15hp increase, but only from speeds above 150kmh and up..."

will PVC melt cause of the heat or not? are there any metal pipes i could use? also since in that pic its a cone filter sucking in hot air, will the HP decrease compared to standard airbox? also say that i build that style cai pipe, will i be damaging my car? was the w202 ment to draw in air from that cone filter that way? i dont want to mess up the engine basically what are precautions to be aware of when doing this. also, in terms of the sound, does it sound alot better or only noticable to the trained ear.
thanks for your expertise on these topics, im trying to learn as much as i can about w202s

[Benz Newbie]

"I then did the engine swap. And I cleaned the filters there at the house where the job was being done. I washed it out in a big cleaner pan he had and let it dry. I then went and oiled it the day before the swap was going to be done. When Carl saw how much oil I put on it, he was like "oh no ... man, you're going to have problems ... I wanted to catch you before you did it ... you should clean that back off, or at least blow the oil out". I did neither. Read the outcome here (finally got a new MAS ... why did I wait so long)

I'd say if you put on a K&N, use a MAS / MAF cleaner about 1000 miles later; or Gumout followed by brake cleaner. Speedybenz has a post on the recommended procedure so you should do a search on it for posts from his handle with MAF or MAS and brake cleaner in the post. Heck, or, here's a quote from him: "

based on all the problems of k&n u mentioned plus the other threads ive read then ill forget about k&n and try to learn how to build a custom cai like some members here, plus it may sound better and is more afforadble

[C280/////AMG]

No, it won't melt...i sit in rush hour traffic at about 35-40 degrees, water temp about 95-105 for about an hour and a half almost every day, and it hasn't melted.

You could use metal, but dont forget you're trying to create a COLD air intake. As metal is a conductor, it will conduct all the heat from your engine bay into your induction tubing. that's one of the reasons why merc doesn't use metal in it's induction components.

Sucking in hot air will certainly decrease your hp compared to cold air. Besides, when building your CAI, you'll be creating a 'ram-air' induction effect when you position your air filter in the bumper cavity, forcing air into your intake (almost like a turbo, but not as hectic) from the air resistance as you drive fast.

You'll only damage your engine by sucking in huge quantities of water through the intake (like if you drive through a river, but that's just common sense). I'm planning to keep my car untill i die (no joke), therefore reliability and risk of damage are essential points i consider when doing a mod.

The factory doesn't do it cos of the sound it makes. It almost sounds like a performance exaust, but a bit deeper. It's very noticeable. If i floor the car, i'm guaranteed to turn heads. The best thing is that it only makes the sound when the engine is under load...when you're cruising on the highway you won't hear it at all. Personally, i enjoy the sound!

I must actually post a video of the sound


Regarding the size of cone filter to use, i did all the surface area calculations of the cone filter and flat filter (the larger the filter surface area, the less air restriction) and i concluded that the 6in cone is the best for the car.

Do a search for CAI, you'll find alot of info on them...they're quite a popular mod on this car.

[Benz Newbie]

ok but like in the pics i posted above the cone filter ends up inside the airbox near the hole in the grille, its not in the bumper. if i imitate what that person did will i be increasing HP or lowering it, just for the sake of making it sound better. also will this cone filter work from ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-Red-Cone-High-Flow-Racing-Cold-Air-Intake-Filter_W0QQitemZ230121768536QQihZ013QQcategoryZ336 59QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or this set

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-F-94-00-Mercedes-Benz-C220-C230-C280-N-C-Air-Intake_W0QQitemZ140112354577QQihZ004QQcategoryZ386 34QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Benz Newbie]

what about thise user's intake, its the cone filter but isnt in the bumper, does this style intake increase Hp and make it sound better. will such a cone filter let more dirt get inside the engine?

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/z3.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/z2.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/z1l.jpg

[Benz Newbie]

i think ill try to build a short ram intake because i plan on installing fog lights in the bumper area. this is wikipedia definistion of short ram: "The short ram air intake is a form of aftermarket air intake for automobiles with internal combustion engines.

It replaces the OEM air intake with a short metal pipe and air filter inside the engine bay. This can slightly boost performance levels in a vehicle by increasing air volume intake, at the expense of increased intake noise. The high temperature of air near the engine can reduce performance in some cases, but this is often made up for by the increased volume of air. As a remedy, many short ram intakes include some form of heat shield. However, some users prefer to use different types of air intakes such as a cold air intake. Users with forced induction engines often opt for short ram intakes because compressors adjacent to the engine, especially turbochargers, heat up and negate much of the benefits of a cold air intake."


i have the inline 6 engine for c280, does anyone know what diameter of the pipe i should buy? also if i build one like in pics above is it better to just remove top of airbox and place the cone filter in there near the stock pipe that comes in from the grille...or should i completely remove the whole airbox and try to place the cone filter as close to the hole in the grille as possible. also should i buy just a 6in long straight pipe, or get one with a slight curve too. how big should the cone filter be? the bigger the better?

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by Benz Newbie
i think ill try to build a short ram intake because i plan on installing fog lights in the bumper area. this is wikipedia definistion of short ram Speedybenz runs this on his C43 (both sides; nonAMG only needs one side). Search for hist oldest posts, from close to the beginning of this board I think. Unfortunately the pictures are no longer available. But he does list the material you should use so the post will still be useful.

[Benz Newbie]

is short ram worth doing? how does short ram compare to the cai that you can route to the bumper? the cone filter has oil in it, would that damage maf?

[C280/////AMG]

If the filter is in the engine bay, it will suck in hot air, and reduce horsepower. Fact.

No, the cone filter won't get more dirt into the engine.

As c55 says, steer clear from those filters which need oiling for reasons he mentioned.

I use a part mesh/part cotton cone filter which they say is washable and re-useable, but i just throw it away every 5000 miles.

That filter on ebay is perfect.

I'm not a fan of these kits

[C280/////AMG]

Originally posted by Benz Newbie
i have the inline 6 engine for c280, does anyone know what diameter of the pipe i should buy? also if i build one like in pics above is it better to just remove top of airbox and place the cone filter in there near the stock pipe that comes in from the grille...or should i completely remove the whole airbox and try to place the cone filter as close to the hole in the grille as possible. also should i buy just a 6in long straight pipe, or get one with a slight curve too. how big should the cone filter be? the bigger the better?

I told you earlier in the thread!! 3in piping and 6in filter

There's no such thing as 'short ram', because the air is not getting rammed into the engine from anywhere.

The CAI is when you put the filter in the bumper.

[Benz Newbie]

"If the filter is in the engine bay, it will suck in hot air, and reduce horsepower. "

those pics i posted before, why would someone install the cone filter in the engine bay then? like the 3 diff w202s in the pics. are they sacrificing some hp to make it sound better?

[C280/////AMG]

Either they do it for the sound, or they've just been a victim of good marketing

[Benz Newbie]

for exampl lets focus on this pic:
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/z1l.jpg

is there ample air traveling from the bottom of the stock airbox into that cone filter? will the engine detect something wrong and turn on check engine light or something?also since the cone is supposed to increase hp, shouldnt it balance out with the fact that the hot air from the engine will enter it

also is it better do do whats in the pic above and keep the bottom of airbox, or do whats in this pic and remove it completely which allows the cone to come closer to the hole in the grille:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/MoreTorque99/IMAG0020.jpg

this pic above is from c43 engine, and that engine is already pretty powerful, so why would someone install that pvc pipe with the cone on the end? if anyone has done whats in these pics, can you comment on its benefits? thanks

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by Benz Newbie
is short ram worth doing? how does short ram compare to the cai that you can route to the bumper? the cone filter has oil in it, would that damage maf? my bad. what I was referring to is a long ram, from the foglight holes.

speedybenz with his CAI also runs K&N that is oiled. However, we benz owners that do run it should be aware our MAS is sensitive to the small amount of oil the new one puts off, and the large amount of oil a DIY cleaned one might if you make my mistake, and should perform some maintenance on the sensor if using it. The filters do do a good job in increasing airflow and this negative doesn't deter from that fact; folks should just know and make allowances for the required maintenance if they choose to increase performance with them.

I run a K&N (so called) cone CAI (it incluses a shield between it and the engine compartment) on my Jeep. Great performance gain especially now I have headers & exhaust. And the MAF/MAS (whichever it is) has not suffered the same fate as the one on the benz.

[C280/////AMG]

Originally posted by c55m8o


speedybenz with his CAI also runs K&N that is oiled. However, we benz owners that do run it should be aware our MAS is sensitive to the small amount of oil the new one puts off, and the large amount of oil a DIY cleaned one might if you make my mistake, and should perform some maintenance on the sensor if using it. The filters do do a good job in increasing airflow and this negative doesn't deter from that fact; folks should just know and make allowances for the required maintenance if they choose to increase performance with them.

I run a K&N (so called) cone CAI (it incluses a shield between it and the engine compartment) on my Jeep. Great performance gain especially now I have headers & exhaust. And the MAF/MAS (whichever it is) has not suffered the same fate as the one on the benz.

c55,
1) are you saying that the increase in air flow from fitting a cone filter practically onto the MAS outweighs the decrease in air density from the hot air getting sucked in by the engine?

Cos last night was the coldest night we've had ever since i've had my CAI. I can guarantee you there was a significant improvement in power when i drove last night due to the low air temp

2) what extra maintenance are you referring to?

[Benz Newbie]

based on your experience does that cone drastically improve the sound? does it make you go "wow that sounds much much better"

also, arent all these cone filters that say "reuasble and cleanable", arent they all cotton gauze and oil?? would a cone filter clog up the MAF like the standard flat k&n filter?

[c55m8o]

C280, I don't have experience with the cone filter in a W202 so can't really make any esitmation of what outweighs the other. This is just suposition now, but I'd say increasing flow would outweigh it being warmer air (doesn't the stock airbox pull the air from the engine compertment anyway?!). As long as we're not talking super hot air, which it shouldn't be at the front of the engine compartment, the biggest worry from hotter air is increase risk of pre-ignition; especially if you use low octane fuel. I would definitely use high test in the summer I'd guess, if you don't use it all year (and realize again this is just all suposition ).

I do know my Jeep reacts completely counter-intuitively. It actually performs better in 50 - 60 degree weather then 20 - 30 degree weather!

Maintenance I speak of is what I quoted from speedybenz.

Benz Newbie (side question, when you chose that handle, did you realize you'd be a newbie forever that way? ...as club202's software doesn't support change of a handle <grin>), with the stock C43 airbox there's a slightly better sound.

With my Jeep, it was like holy sh*t, WTF?!!! Now hear's something pretty amazing. With the restrictive stock exhaust, that "BWAAA" sound was under the hood. What's great about headers and exhaust is it mostly moves that sound from under the hood and transports it to the exhaust output... the high flow exhast is definitely working. In regards to just doing something with intake and not doing a high flow exhaust (the C43 already has one), I once read a post from a knowledgable tuner who dub'ed it "ah, the 'sound of slow'!" ... LOL. ;) Not to worry, the stock non-MB exhaust has to outflow the stock Jeep's handily. h

[Benz Newbie]

ive been searching benz custom intakes, like these pics:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/26_1644273_1027200564004PM20600.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/benzintake.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/dsc01951.jpg

anyone who did a mod like this, im thinking of doing it since i cant put the cone in my bumper because i have foglight there. what are advantages and disadvantages of copying the intakes in these above pics? is it WORTH IT compared to stock airbox?

[Cru328prod]

Originally posted by Benz Newbie
ive been searching benz custom intakes, like these pics:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/26_1644273_1027200564004PM20600.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/benzintake.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/dsc01951.jpg

anyone who did a mod like this, im thinking of doing it since i cant put the cone in my bumper because i have foglight there. what are advantages and disadvantages of copying the intakes in these above pics? is it WORTH IT compared to stock airbox?


What model is your car? Im gonna tell you right now, if you have a kompressor, its going to sound horrible, im currently working on a 1 piece design on air intake, a basic Y type for the intake and the bypass, and have it fit threw the bumper. Which sould make it sound better, not like a exhuast leak. Instead of 2 Filters like the 1st picture, the last picture is a turbo'd 230, so u don't need the bypass.

[Benz Newbie]

its a pre-updated c280. i was thinking of getting a big cone filter and an aluminum pipe and just connecting them so they end up on the airbox. im hoping it'll sound better and maybe gain a little hp even though the hot air will enter the cone filter. u think its possible? percentage wise, by how much will the sound seem louder or throatier? can an untrained ear notice the diff, and when best could this sound be heard?

[Benz Newbie]

"I must actually post a video of the sound"

im still waitin for that video lol;)

[C280/////AMG]

Ok Newbie, you'll get your video probably on wed, latest friday

[Benz Newbie]

hey c280///amg, if i put the cone filter inside my engine instead of the bumper will it still sound as good as yours assuming i using same size cone as you? also the number one concern i have is will ample air get into the engine because im afraid ill mess it up with the cone. if i position the cone like in the pics i posted will i get enought air into the engine? i just dont want to damage my engine with the cone.

[C280/////AMG]

Originally posted by Benz Newbie
hey c280///amg, if i put the cone filter inside my engine instead of the bumper will it still sound as good as yours assuming i using same size cone as you? also the number one concern i have is will ample air get into the engine because im afraid ill mess it up with the cone. if i position the cone like in the pics i posted will i get enought air into the engine? i just dont want to damage my engine with the cone

About the sound, it should sound the same, but i honestly don't know. What i can say is when i first fitted my CAI, i used 3'' air ducting and when i switched to PVC tubing 3 weeks later, the sound became alot tighter and slightly louder (very slightly). At the same time, when i tested the difference by running my car with no air filter at all (i.e. air was being sucked in directly from the MAS in the engine bay, and i only drove like this for 5 kms) there was almost no sound at all, and there was certainly a decrease in power (however the decrease was slight)

I understand your concern with damaging ur engine. I'm just as concerned as you. If you look under my thread 'My CAI', OCKlasse posted a picture of an AMS product which prevents water being sucked in. Definately get one of those if you can (i don't have one cos i'm very careful where i drive, and besides, i can't find anyone here that stocks them)


Why are you so keen to put the filter in the engine bay?

[Cru328prod]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/icangivit2uma/202.jpg

I came up with a brillant plan......lmfao i don't know how good its going to work, but lets say you take out the filter on the box, close off that one piece that goes next to grill, and cut the box open on the bottom to fit the tubing, and have the cone filter in the bumper........muahahah im soo *$()#ing retarted lmfao

[Benz Newbie]

"At the same time, when i tested the difference by running my car with no air filter at all (i.e. air was being sucked in directly from the MAS in the engine bay, and i only drove like this for 5 kms) there was almost no sound at all, and there was certainly a decrease in power "

so its the cone filter thas creating the noise? without it there is no noise? i have foglights in the bumper hole on left and right sides so i cant put the cone there. so i thought next best thing is in the engine bay. the increased hp from the cone should IMO offset the heat entering the cone, plus there's the better sound that you mentioned. this is all based on what i read here and elsewhere

[97C28O]

I have an intake on my car. Look for it . I know mine sucks in hot air but the car is slow anyways. I do it for the sound. I may change it to a CAI later on.

[Benz Newbie]

97c280, how do you compare the sound on your car before and after the intake you mentioned? is it a little better? or a lot better?

[97C28O]

I don't really notice anything at idle or around 2-3K RPMS. However you can hear it very loud once I hit 4-5K RPMS. My friend was driving next to me and when I smashed passed 5K RPM he thought that there was like an muscle car coming from the back when it was me.

And what people said about our engines running hot, its true. After about a days driving, my intake pipe is pretty hot. Although I have that Weapon-R Velocity Stack pipe, I don't know if it helps with the heating. I was considering to take off my intake and put my stock box back in. I noticed that my gas get sucked up a lot from the intake..

And no, my MAF or MAS did not FUCK UP. Or at least it didn't yet. Knock on wood.

[Benz Newbie]

"I noticed that my gas get sucked up a lot from the intake.."

what do you mean by that?

[C280/////AMG]

Originally posted by Cru328prod
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/icangivit2uma/202.jpg

I came up with a brillant plan......lmfao i don't know how good its going to work, but lets say you take out the filter on the box, close off that one piece that goes next to grill, and cut the box open on the bottom to fit the tubing, and have the cone filter in the bumper........muahahah im soo *$()#ing retarted lmfao

This is an idea, but i'm not so sure if you'll have any change in performance.

The stock filter box acts like an exhaust muffler, so it will reduce the sound, but at the same time (i'm guessing) it will reduce the 'free flow' of the intake air.

Try it out and let us know!

[C280/////AMG]

Originally posted by Benz Newbie
"At the same time, when i tested the difference by running my car with no air filter at all (i.e. air was being sucked in directly from the MAS in the engine bay, and i only drove like this for 5 kms) there was almost no sound at all, and there was certainly a decrease in power "

so its the cone filter thas creating the noise? without it there is no noise? i have foglights in the bumper hole on left and right sides so i cant put the cone there. so i thought next best thing is in the engine bay. the increased hp from the cone should IMO offset the heat entering the cone, plus there's the better sound that you mentioned. this is all based on what i read here and elsewhere

I was also about to fit foglights, but then i discovered the CAI, and i've never looked back!

Newbie, do you really stay by the Nurnburgring? What 202 do you have?

[Benz Newbie]

i grew up in Germany but my family and i moved to America while i was still young, what about you where are you from?

[Cru328prod]

Originally posted by C280/////AMG
This is an idea, but i'm not so sure if you'll have any change in performance.

The stock filter box acts like an exhaust muffler, so it will reduce the sound, but at the same time (i'm guessing) it will reduce the 'free flow' of the intake air.

Try it out and let us know!

Lmao i don't wanna try it, my ideas are always do or die, but im always to lazy to follow threw. Plus im working on a custom Y pipe intake for us kompressor boys. You 6ers and 8s, got it tooooo easy lmao.

[C280/////AMG]

Originally posted by Benz Newbie
i grew up in Germany but my family and i moved to America while i was still young, what about you where are you from?

I'm initially from Greece, but spent most of my life in South Africa. However, we're planning to immigrate to NY in about 3 years.
Reason i asked is cos my dream is to take an AMG or Ferrari aorund the Nordschleife, 22 kms of heaven!!! But this has nothing to do with performance tuning! :p
What car u got?

[Benz Newbie]

i have a preupdated c280 like you, yeh it probably would be fun to race our cars on that track, presumably after we mod them;)

[Benz Newbie]

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/dramasetter357/z1l.jpg

im thinking of doing this type of intake for the sound but my biggest worry is will the air get into the cone filter? the filter is not enclosed and when the air comes in through the hole in the grille i think it will scatter and not enter the cone? does the engine wait for the air to enter or does it suck up air by itself? if the cone is left a few inches away from the air box hole will air still enter the cone? or do i need to channel a pipe from the end of the cone right into the grille hole? basically im REALLY worried if i do that my car will not get the air it needs and ill mess up the whole engine? is my concern warranted? any tips on your experience really helps, thanks

[Benz Newbie]

is the pic above called a WAI Warm Air Intake? are there any benefits to WAI compared to CAI? what about this pic:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/Black05PT/C280%20sport/nology006.jpg

also what materials would i need to build a home-made heat shield to keep hot air from entering the cone area and keep the cold air from going around my filter and dissipating

[Benz Newbie]

how does the MAF or MAS work? does it suck in air when you press the gas? or does it need to be connect to the grille hole to get air? can the engine run on just the hot engine air inside or is outside air needed? also, what if you drive without any filter, does that increase HP since you're removing the restrictive filter? would it sound better or worse to remove the OEM filter alltogether?

[Len013091]

All engines suck in air, the air doesn't need ot be pushed into the engine for it to operate. However, on some vehicles(kompressor modelsif we are speaking about the w202) the air is forced into the engine at a higher than normal PSI, around 5-6 stock. This allows more fuel to be burn with the air, creating more power. The same goes for cold air, which is more dense, thereby allowing it to react with more fuel in the combustion chamber, creating more power.

The MAS is a senor that uses a heated rod and some kind of computing formula based on the temperature the rod maintains to determine the amount of air being sucked into the engine at a given time. It then sends a signal tot he ecu that the ecu reads and determines how much fuel to inject into the combustion chamber at that given moment.

Removing the filter is not a good thing to do, its there for a reason. If you take the filter out, you will gain power for a short period, then all the particles flowing into the engine will slowly reduce it's power by fowling the MAF and damaging critical components.

[Espresso]

That setup is called "on the cheap & I needed a airfilter". It is still on there & works fine for now.
My gas mileage has increase ALOT with that POS filter there. Better then new stock? I dunno, but it is better than clogged, dirty, old stock. What I did IS NOT a performance mod. It was a nessessary mod to keep the car running.


Originally posted by Benz Newbie
is the pic above called a WAI Warm Air Intake? are there any benefits to WAI compared to CAI? what about this pic:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/Black05PT/C280%20sport/nology006.jpg

also what materials would i need to build a home-made heat shield to keep hot air from entering the cone area and keep the cold air from going around my filter and dissipating

[Cru328prod]

Originally posted by Espresso
That setup is called "on the cheap & I needed a airfilter". It is still on there & works fine for now.
My gas mileage has increase ALOT with that POS filter there. Better then new stock? I dunno, but it is better than clogged, dirty, old stock. What I did IS NOT a performance mod. It was a nessessary mod to keep the car running.

WTF IS THAT, IT LOOKS MORE RESTRICTIVE THEN THE STOCK AIR BOX!!!!

[Espresso]

Originally posted by Cru328prod
WTF IS THAT, IT LOOKS MORE RESTRICTIVE THEN THE STOCK AIR BOX!!!!
Umm it's an air filter. Thought that was kind of obvious. It is no smaller then a K&N cone filter, which it actually is. It just has a fake CF housing.

[Cru328prod]

Originally posted by Espresso
Umm it's an air filter. Thought that was kind of obvious. It is no smaller then a K&N cone filter, which it actually is. It just has a fake CF housing.

LOL no what i ment was, whats with the housing? is there really a need for it?

[Cru328prod]

Originally posted by Espresso
Umm it's an air filter. Thought that was kind of obvious. It is no smaller then a K&N cone filter, which it actually is. It just has a fake CF housing.

LOL no what i ment was, whats with the housing? is there really a need for it?

[C280_Spawrt]

Originally posted by Cru328prod
LOL no what i ment was, whats with the housing? is there really a need for it?

lol, yeah what he said