In Depth 202 wiring diagrams?

[Pagz]

After spending ages this morning staring aimlessly into the bay...and of course trying to use the force many times...it was apparent the ECU wasnt about to jump in there and wire itself...

My haynes manual has a few basic diagrames but its far short of what i need..

The question is does MB or any other have drawings that show the relationship between ASR,ABS,the cluster to ECU wiring and weather or not the ECU runs a can bus with the cluster...

Iv looked on wirediagram.comhttp://www.wirediagram.com/linkpage/1997_MERCEDES_C230_%204DR%20SEDAN%20_wiring_inform ation.htm
because i live outside of the US there is no option to purchase the prescription so i can tell just how detailed these drawings are,has anybody used them before?

Does anyone know of anywhere else i could obtain in depth diagrams?

Any information would be greatly appreciated,thanks.

Paul


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_329_full.jpg

[xvvvz]

Paul -

The MB WIS has much better wiring diagrams. You can buy copies of it off of Ebay very cheap. You just have to pray to the PC gods before you install it and hope that it installs without a hitch. It also requires 5 GB of disk space but you then get to browse info on about every MB car, truck, van, bus, Unimog, etc., built since 1968 :)

The wiring diagram function is not just one graphic, or I would have tried to email it to you. It is an interactive tree/thread thing which will jump you all around many diffferent pages. If you are looking for something simple, I will attempt to look it up for you but if you are needing all of the wires for the ECU I doubt I can find, much less print, that in one diagram. PM me with specifics.

[Pagz]

Cheers!,
I thought that may be the case with the MB diagrams!,as iv had SlammedC send me a few before...though im at the stage now where i need almost the whole lot...and i know that would be a pain for somone to sift though trying to find what im after!...I wasnt aware they could be purchased on ebay(pirated i guess?),ill do a search and check it out!,thanks man.

Wiring the new ecu to the engine should be easy...its all those other wires that go from the ecu into the cabin thats got me alittle worried=)


Paul

[xvvvz]

Just search for "Mercedes WIS" and you will find them. There may be others listed under something like "Mercedes Manual" or "Mercedes Repair Manual." Just make sure it is the genuine WIS data. There are a lot of other crappy electronic manuals out there.

[Pagz]

Hows this one look?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WIS-MERCEDES-BENZ-WorkShop-Repair-manual-TIS-All-models_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34227QQihZ002QQi temZ120116688997QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


Its my first time doing ignition systems,thought i understand a basic coil,ignition module and how it all works...im alittle confused about the MB setup...
do you know if the coils on the M111 have integrated ignition modules on top of the coil?...or did the bosch ecu have the modules integrated into it?...Iv purchased two dual ignition modules(and 4 new coils) as i was going to run four coils,but have changed my mind so will just use one module with the motec ecu and run the OE wasted spark for the time being...however i was trying to test the coils the other day to make sure i got the wiring correct and had difficulty finding which of the two wires on each coil was a common ground,there was also no connection between the two coil outputs on each coil...which got me thinking maybe theres a solid state device in there!?!?...sOo confused.

Paul

[c280nz]

il go halves in how much it is aswell! and then either just make me a copy when you get it, or send it down and il copy it and send the original back up to you :)
that way it will be even cheaper!

xvvvz you dont have a copy you can send do ya?

[xvvvz]

Sorry, I can't help you with your iginition questions. Way out of my league there :)

Yes, that looks like a good version of the Genuine WIS. They key feature it has that I wish I had received is the video for installation. $15 is a good price and the installation video is worth that in itself. Also, by purchasing it from that guy you should get a contact to email if you have any installation questions - definitely another thing you want. Email the guy directly as I am sure he has more of these available for sale.

There should be a .pdf available after the install that explains the program and how to navigate it (maybe the video will explain it too). Take the time to read it. Don't get discouraged. Once you get a clue, you can find what you need and the amount of data will amaze you.

Before you install, definitely create a restoration point in Windows and defrag your hard drive. Better yet, if you have Ghost or something that can create a backup image of your drive go ahead and create a backup in case the install goes wrong. Sometimes it is easier to just do a restore than to try to do a manual uninstall of a bad installation.

[Pagz]

Originally posted by c280nz
il go halves in how much it is aswell! and then either just make me a copy when you get it, or send it down and il copy it and send the original back up to you :)
that way it will be even cheaper!

xvvvz you dont have a copy you can send do ya?

Yeah man no worries,its pretty cheap ill just flick you a copy for free!

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by 23K
[B]Hows this one look? A hell of a lot cheapers then I paid for mine...!

[Pagz]

Originally posted by xvvvz
Sorry, I can't help you with your iginition questions. Way out of my league there :)

Yes, that looks like a good version of the Genuine WIS. They key feature it has that I wish I had received is the video for installation. $15 is a good price and the installation video is worth that in itself. Also, by purchasing it from that guy you should get a contact to email if you have any installation questions - definitely another thing you want. Email the guy directly as I am sure he has more of these available for sale.

There should be a .pdf available after the install that explains the program and how to navigate it (maybe the video will explain it too). Take the time to read it. Don't get discouraged. Once you get a clue, you can find what you need and the amount of data will amaze you.

Before you install, definitely create a restoration point in Windows and defrag your hard drive. Better yet, if you have Ghost or something that can create a backup image of your drive go ahead and create a backup in case the install goes wrong. Sometimes it is easier to just do a restore than to try to do a manual uninstall of a bad installation.


Thanks for the heads up Doug!,the program does look alittle tricky form the pics!,hopfully the WIS will shed alittle light on the ignition setup as well!=)

Paul

[Pagz]

Originally posted by c55m8o
A hell of a lot cheapers then I paid for mine...!

Excellent..its mine=)

[Pagz]

Doug,
thanks big time for those drawings thats what i was after!!,though there for a 99 C230,mine is a manual 97 model with quite a few less features!...but i guess it will be wired the same for the features it does have...theres alot of data wires running around which is kinda worrieing at the moment hehe

[SLAMMED_C]

hey Paul,
What exactly do you need.. I read relation between ME and asr/bas, and can between cluster and ME.
anything else in particular, I will have a look at what I can find for your car. 1997 C230 Kompressor Manual right?

[Pagz]

From the cluster drawings it looks like vehicle speed and RPM are sent through the CAN bus system that links everthing down to how your feeling that day on the 99 model....Please let it be analog for the 97 model or its all over.:dead:

[Pagz]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
hey Paul,
What exactly do you need.. I read relation between ME and asr/bas, and can between cluster and ME.
anything else in particular, I will have a look at what I can find for your car. 1997 C230 Kompressor Manual right?

Sup Ross,
From the drawings Doug sent it looks like everything is tied together by the CAN system on the 99 model,theres also a heap of things mine doesnt have like auto tranny,emmision controls pumps etc etc etc,whats BAS?
if you could find if the 97 manual ran a CAN from the ECU to the CAN bus interface and a CAN from the Cluster to the interface that will be the decider on weather or not this car will run for the next year or so lol.

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by 23K
Sup Ross,
From the drawings Doug sent it looks like everything is tied together by the CAN system on the 99 model,theres also a heap of things mine doesnt have like auto tranny,emmision controls pumps etc etc etc,whats BAS?
if you could find if the 97 manual ran a CAN from the ECU to the CAN bus interface and a CAN from the Cluster to the interface that will be the decider on weather or not this car will run for the next year or so lol.
I will have a look and see what i can find for ya bro.
BAS is brake assist, but our cars dont have it!! maybe the 2000 C230K might.. since its ESP instead of ASR.
but I will have a look for some diagrams on CAN systems for your 97 manual.
let you know as soon as I can man.

[benzboy]

Hey Paul

I'd be keen for a copy too, I had a crappy workshop manual but lost the 2nd disk, this one looks really handy!

[Pagz]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
I will have a look and see what i can find for ya bro.
BAS is brake assist, but our cars dont have it!! maybe the 2000 C230K might.. since its ESP instead of ASR.
but I will have a look for some diagrams on CAN systems for your 97 manual.
let you know as soon as I can man.

That would be great man!,yeh i didnt think i had any brake assist,just ABS etc...but if its a CAN/data system then the cluster must get its speed signal from the ABS system as its the only part that had a sensor capable of doing so.
it may be that the data from the ABS goes straight to the cluster via data link and so will still show vehicle speed which the new ECU,however im 99.9% sure if the system is data from the ECU to the cluster it will be a pain to get the RPM running again!

Anyways let me know how you get on!!

[Pagz]

Originally posted by benzboy
Hey Paul

I'd be keen for a copy too, I had a crappy workshop manual but lost the 2nd disk, this one looks really handy!

Yip np will make two,may take a few weeks as i have to send the guy cash via envelop, which i guess is to avoid huge bank fees etc...hes got a good rating on ebay and its only 27NZD hopfully all will go well!.

[Pagz]

Hey Ross i checked the diagrams against what i have and BINGO....I have the CAN bus between everyman an his dog...

So the only way around this will be to use the OE ECU and trick it into thinking its running the engine while using the Motec...Im pretty sure the Data system needs to know engine temp and RPM etc so the other modules like ASR/ AC/cluster etc know where there at...Im guessing i will loose traction control for sure because the motec will have engine control but hey no biggy huh=)

The hard part may be that both ECU's could need cam sensor/crank sensor input,and i will need two engine temp sensors(fark i made a custom mount into the OE sensor for the motecs new sensor)

might have to pay for professional help lol $$$:dead:

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by 23K
Hey Ross i checked the diagrams against what i have and BINGO....I have the CAN bus between everyman an his dog...

So the only way around this will be to use the OE ECU and trick it into thinking its running the engine while using the Motec...Im pretty sure the Data system needs to know engine temp and RPM etc so the other modules like ASR/ AC/cluster etc know where there at...Im guessing i will loose traction control for sure because the motec will have engine control but hey no biggy huh=)

The hard part may be that both ECU's could need cam sensor/crank sensor input,and i will need two engine temp sensors(fark i made a custom mount into the OE sensor for the motecs new sensor)

might have to pay for professional help lol $$$:dead:

so ya dont need any diagrams then?.. too abd i didnt see this sooner!! I got you some diagrams.. dontknow how much help they will be. do you still want them.. or do you think what you have will help you enough?
thats going to be some serious wiring!! running 2 computers (OE to fool the car to think its running it so no issues with faults and lights on the cluster) good luck to you my friend!!
maybe if you have a computer guru friend he can make up some sort of computer program to fool the car into thinkin the ecu is there!

let me know if you need any diagrams Paul.

[Pagz]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
so ya dont need any diagrams then?.. too abd i didnt see this sooner!! I got you some diagrams.. dontknow how much help they will be. do you still want them.. or do you think what you have will help you enough?
thats going to be some serious wiring!! running 2 computers (OE to fool the car to think its running it so no issues with faults and lights on the cluster) good luck to you my friend!!
maybe if you have a computer guru friend he can make up some sort of computer program to fool the car into thinkin the ecu is there!

let me know if you need any diagrams Paul.

Hey,
I was going to PM you first just incase you had time!,but thought maybe i should just get the whole manual so i can check everything in detail!,however the drawings that Doug sent through are very useful,and it looks like it will seal the deal...i started wiring last night but probly wont know what iv missed until i see the left over wires after soldering!...actually if you have one that includes the ignition key and its associated wiring that would be most excellent?!!

Actually running the two ECU's sounds tricky,but its not too bad...the real trick will be running them both off a crank or cam sensors...i may need one of our techs to make me a duplicator circuit that will isolate the two ECUs but provide the same signal some how...

there may be some faults come up but they will have no effect on the performance given the OE item will have no say in the matter=)

iv been in contact with the guy who will be doing the tuning and looks like i will wire everything but the cam and crank sensors as they will need to run the scope on while we turn the engine to make sure we get the wires right!...will let you know how i get on!

Cheers,
Paul

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by 23K
Hey,
I was going to PM you first just incase you had time!,but thought maybe i should just get the whole manual so i can check everything in detail!,however the drawings that Doug sent through are very useful,and it looks like it will seal the deal...i started wiring last night but probly wont know what iv missed until i see the left over wires after soldering!...actually if you have one that includes the ignition key and its associated wiring that would be most excellent?!!

Actually running the two ECU's sounds tricky,but its not too bad...the real trick will be running them both off a crank or cam sensors...i may need one of our techs to make me a duplicator circuit that will isolate the two ECUs but provide the same signal some how...

there may be some faults come up but they will have no effect on the performance given the OE item will have no say in the matter=)

iv been in contact with the guy who will be doing the tuning and looks like i will wire everything but the cam and crank sensors as they will need to run the scope on while we turn the engine to make sure we get the wires right!...will let you know how i get on!

Cheers,
Paul

No worries dude.. I will have to look for the ignition wiring for you though. and I will still send you what I have.. maybe it will be of some sort of use. have to scan it tonight.. hopefully get it to you later on tonight.
that wiring harness sounds like a nightmare!!.. hope it works out for ya. it seems like a huge brickwall is in front of you. but Im sure you will break through it. so close now.. this project has been kinda revolutionary for the W202.. not the first turbo'd 202.. but the most custom turbo set up by far.. so many goodies!! especially that intake manifold!!

let us know how it goes.. cant wait for that thing to fire up! its gonna be a beast!

[Pagz]

haha cheers mang!
those drawings you sent will definately help!,there just a tad more in detail then the ones i have...would you have a drawing of where all the wires go to and from the K40/4 module???...I would like to know if the started motor solinoid is energized from the OE ecu via the K40/4 or energized from the ignition switch itself,just incase the OE ecu has some control over the started motor(which i think it might because some models have a starter assist module)

If you dont have a drawing showing K40/4 and its relation to everything else thats alright....because it may only be in parts with other diagrams on random pages...I can just wait for the CD's that will turn up in 2-4 weeks.

Oh and if you have that ignition diagram lying around that would be sUuuuper=)

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by 23K
haha cheers mang!
those drawings you sent will definately help!,there just a tad more in detail then the ones i have...would you have a drawing of where all the wires go to and from the K40/4 module???...I would like to know if the started motor solinoid is energized from the OE ecu via the K40/4 or energized from the ignition switch itself,just incase the OE ecu has some control over the started motor(which i think it might because some models have a starter assist module)

If you dont have a drawing showing K40/4 and its relation to everything else thats alright....because it may only be in parts with other diagrams on random pages...I can just wait for the CD's that will turn up in 2-4 weeks.

Oh and if you have that ignition diagram lying around that would be sUuuuper=)
Ill have a look for the k40 diagram.. and the ignition ones too.
glad the other diagrams are of use!

[Pagz]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
Ill have a look for the k40 diagram.. and the ignition ones too.
glad the other diagrams are of use!

After alittle playing around last night i found the relay at the end of K40/4 energizes the starter solinoid,the relay circuit is energized by the key being in postion just before start and controlled via the ECU as well,so when you flick the key hard right to start the ecu gets a signal to start before the relay is energized...,this must come through the ignition module via CAN.
another reason we cant live without the OE ecu;)
still need ignition circuit info to be 100% sure though=)

>>>CONGRATULATIONS on becoming a fully qualified mercedes tech!!,hard work payed off huh!,now every time i ask a question on here i expect a prompt accurate reply within 3 mins:D

[pisit]

Hey Paul,
I'm facing some problem with my stock ecu, piggyback setup and stock injector. The car is not getting enough fuel and tends to be very lean during 1500-2500 lower RPM.
As i have mentioned that i was going to run the engine with an standalone ecu as well but have to run it with stock ecu to control my automatic transmission. I will use the standalone to run ignition and fuel map, is there any thing else that i would need it to control?
if you done with your diagram can you please share it:p ? would be very much appreciated.
cheers!

[Pagz]

Originally posted by pisit
Hey Paul,
I'm facing some problem with my stock ecu, piggyback setup and stock injector. The car is not getting enough fuel and tends to be very lean during 1500-2500 lower RPM.
As i have mentioned that i was going to run the engine with an standalone ecu as well but have to run it with stock ecu to control my automatic transmission. I will use the standalone to run ignition and fuel map, is there any thing else that i would need it to control?
if you done with your diagram can you please share it:p ? would be very much appreciated.
cheers!

Hey man,
What piggyback ECU are you running?...and what does it control?

If you plan to run a stand along ECU for the engine you will definatley need to run the stock ECU for your transmission...but also for the cluster,ASR,and even the door locking...another thing to consider will be the stock Drive by wire...if you plan to keep this then the new ECU will need to be able to support this system...im pretty sure MoTeC support most Bosch drive by wire setups,but its an additional cost...not to mention the stock throttle body will become your single biggest restriction when you start pushing a few more HP! so using the OE DBW has its limitations!...

Another point to consider is the fact both ECU's will need either cam or crank sensor input,one for engine managment and the stock ecu needs it for cluster RPM...depending on which sensor is needed the circuits to do this will hopfully be made in the next few weeks as its not nessasary to have them when i tune it but when its on road i would like to know how many RPM's the engine is doing;)

I will keep you updated on this thread as i get things running and i know alittle more=)

[Pagz]

Hey Ross,thanks for the ignition diagrams they helped heaps!,
the cars booked in for tuning on monday...OMG=)...no wait...OMG!!!
theres one more thing i need...the original intake cam switching times...i know you sent them to me before but i cant find them...

its like on at 2300 than off at 4000 etc?!?!
Anyways if you could find out that would be excellent,as we will set it up as stock for now then play with it alittle more later=)

[benzboy]

Wowowow, so the cars almost done Paul???

[pisit]

Originally posted by 23K
Hey man,
What piggyback ECU are you running?...and what does it control?

If you plan to run a stand along ECU for the engine you will definatley need to run the stock ECU for your transmission...but also for the cluster,ASR,and even the door locking...another thing to consider will be the stock Drive by wire...if you plan to keep this then the new ECU will need to be able to support this system...im pretty sure MoTeC support most Bosch drive by wire setups,but its an additional cost...not to mention the stock throttle body will become your single biggest restriction when you start pushing a few more HP! so using the OE DBW has its limitations!...

Another point to consider is the fact both ECU's will need either cam or crank sensor input,one for engine managment and the stock ecu needs it for cluster RPM...depending on which sensor is needed the circuits to do this will hopfully be made in the next few weeks as its not nessasary to have them when i tune it but when its on road i would like to know how many RPM's the engine is doing;)

I will keep you updated on this thread as i get things running and i know alittle more=)
Currently I'm running Unichip piggyback which it's not capable of running idle with 400cc injector. The engine barely start and run very rough, no doubt about that.
Anywayz, I'm thinking of getting EMS 8860 to control fuel and ignition map. suggestion?
so do u have any idea about the based map for M111 engine?
Cheers!

[Pagz]

Originally posted by benzboy
Wowowow, so the cars almost done Paul???

Weeeell i wouldnt say done...but she's ready to fire up,tune and drive=)...plan is to get it running well...setup base maps and get it out on the road for a few weeks...which will allow me to fix any issues that may arise,then il get it back in and we'll see how far its willing to go=)...cant wait sOo close now=)

[DRM]

yeah that's excellent! make sure you get a video up and drive by :cool:

[Pagz]

Originally posted by pisit
Currently I'm running Unichip piggyback which it's not capable of running idle with 400cc injector. The engine barely start and run very rough, no doubt about that.
Anywayz, I'm thinking of getting EMS 8860 to control fuel and ignition map. suggestion?
so do u have any idea about the based map for M111 engine?
Cheers!

I see,sounds like you need a stand alone for the engine for sure but lets just go back a few steps...

So your running 400cc injectors off the stock ECU?

Are you still running the stock drive by wire?,and do you realise the stand alone ECU may need to control the drive by wire for the system to function correctly??

Does the Unichip piggyback just control ignition timing and the air mass sensor?

have you upgraded your fuel pump?


As for the base maps you will need to have them done on a dyno with a suitable ECU...that is unless you buy the same ECU as me and i transfer my maps...though iv got different displacement/compression/climate etc etc

Paul

[Pagz]

Originally posted by DRM
yeah that's excellent! make sure you get a video up and drive by :cool:

yeh man will try get some decent footage for sure=)

[pisit]

Originally posted by 23K
I see,sounds like you need a stand alone for the engine for sure but lets just go back a few steps...

So your running 400cc injectors off the stock ECU?

Are you still running the stock drive by wire?,and do you realise the stand alone ECU may need to control the drive by wire for the system to function correctly??

Does the Unichip piggyback just control ignition timing and the air mass sensor?

have you upgraded your fuel pump?


As for the base maps you will need to have them done on a dyno with a suitable ECU...that is unless you buy the same ECU as me and i transfer my maps...though iv got different displacement/compression/climate etc etc

Paul
the 400cc injector is running with Unichip, but I'm not sure if it's because the tuner can't manage to control the injector or the Unichip isn't capable of controlling bigger injector. it's almost a 100% increase in term of injector size.
Unichip claims that it can control ignition and fuel by altering the TPS and air mass sensor.
Since my is a C220, so it's drive by cable. and also i dont have other electronic control features like ARS. should be less PITA on that.
I'm using a Bosch high flow fuel pump from 300E, which hopefully should be sufficient enough.
MOTEC M400 is kinda pricey here, that's why i was thinking of other standalone ECU alternative.

[Pagz]

Originally posted by pisit
the 400cc injector is running with Unichip, but I'm not sure if it's because the tuner can't manage to control the injector or the Unichip isn't capable of controlling bigger injector. it's almost a 100% increase in term of injector size.
Unichip claims that it can control ignition and fuel by altering the TPS and air mass sensor.
Since my is a C220, so it's drive by cable. and also i dont have other electronic control features like ARS. should be less PITA on that.
I'm using a Bosch high flow fuel pump from 300E, which hopefully should be sufficient enough.
MOTEC M400 is kinda pricey here, that's why i was thinking of other standalone ECU alternative.

So Unichip must only control timing and fuel by altering the air mass sensor,that would be why your having trouble with the larger injectors as the stock ECU wont be able to control a small enough pulse width to regulate your idle with the larger injectors.
I now run low impedance 550cc injectors and iv been told the Motec ECU should run these at idle pretty well,but we will see next week when we lay the cards down=),im going to take the stock injectors with me just incase!

Ah so your car doesnt have DBW!...you have the usual direct cable to the TB!...so much easier=)...that may mean you dont have the CAN bus system either!!...so you may get away with running a tacho signal from the new ECU directly to your cluster!

lol motec seems to be pricey everywhere=)...Iv been told by a few the next best thing is Autronic and its much cheaper...but i havent spent much time comparing the two...its best to speak with local tuners and find out what they recommend...because at the end of the day the guy who tunes it needs to be fimiliar with the ECU he's tuning,otherwise you could be wasting alot of time and money!.

Once iv done the tuning on monday i'll give you a heads up on what problems we have and how where going to go about it...
at the moment it sounds like you need to get a complete stand alone system and also a tuner who knows what there doing!!!=)

Did you fix the header problems?


Talk soon ,
Paul

[omeyhomey]

I plan on doing the same thing but with Apexi SAFC2, i know its not as complex but its extremely user friendly and very simple to use, makes life alot easier.

[pisit]

Originally posted by 23K
So Unichip must only control timing and fuel by altering the air mass sensor,that would be why your having trouble with the larger injectors as the stock ECU wont be able to control a small enough pulse width to regulate your idle with the larger injectors.
I now run low impedance 550cc injectors and iv been told the Motec ECU should run these at idle pretty well,but we will see next week when we lay the cards down=),im going to take the stock injectors with me just incase!

Ah so your car doesnt have DBW!...you have the usual direct cable to the TB!...so much easier=)...that may mean you dont have the CAN bus system either!!...so you may get away with running a tacho signal from the new ECU directly to your cluster!

lol motec seems to be pricey everywhere=)...Iv been told by a few the next best thing is Autronic and its much cheaper...but i havent spent much time comparing the two...its best to speak with local tuners and find out what they recommend...because at the end of the day the guy who tunes it needs to be fimiliar with the ECU he's tuning,otherwise you could be wasting alot of time and money!.

Once iv done the tuning on monday i'll give you a heads up on what problems we have and how where going to go about it...
at the moment it sounds like you need to get a complete stand alone system and also a tuner who knows what there doing!!!=)

Did you fix the header problems?


Talk soon ,
Paul
agree with all points you've mentions.
Talking to the tuners, I would feel like they would support the stuff they sale which sometime seem too much marketing sh*t for me. That's why I tried to get different opinions as much as possible. I know that MOTEC would be the ultimate choice for me, there are about 8 reputable tuners here in Bangkok. There's none Autronic dealer here so that 's out of question. So I think the next best think for me is Haltech, there is a service dealer here and several tuners.
solve the header problem already. used a thick wall for the pipe. anyway haven't try pushing the car yet since it's still running very lean :(

[Pagz]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
I plan on doing the same thing but with Apexi SAFC2, i know its not as complex but its extremely user friendly and very simple to use, makes life alot easier.

Should work well on your C36 project i guess!...good for fine tuning new mods!

[Pagz]

Originally posted by pisit
agree with all points you've mentions.
Talking to the tuners, I would feel like they would support the stuff they sale which sometime seem too much marketing sh*t for me. That's why I tried to get different opinions as much as possible. I know that MOTEC would be the ultimate choice for me, there are about 8 reputable tuners here in Bangkok. There's none Autronic dealer here so that 's out of question. So I think the next best think for me is Haltech, there is a service dealer here and several tuners.
solve the header problem already. used a thick wall for the pipe. anyway haven't try pushing the car yet since it's still running very lean :(

yes it does help if you have a decent tuner whos not bias towards one brand because he/she sells it!...the guys i use sell a variety of ECU's and tuning options...http://www.torqueperformance.co.nz/expertise.php
Iv seen a few nice cars running Haltech,also Microtech as well!...but if your tuner is most knowlegable with haltech and the price is right you shouldnt have too many issues at all!

great so the header is fixed!!!did it fix the clearance and vibration issues??,do you have some pics? =) =)

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Originally posted by omeyhomey
I plan on doing the same thing but with Apexi SAFC2, i know its not as complex but its extremely user friendly and very simple to use, makes life alot easier.
you cannot alter ignition timing with those apexis, and only adjust fuel +/- of the base map? am i correct

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Hey Paul,
so did u managed to install MOTEC yet?
I ended up using another piggyback, HKS F-CON SZ. no problem at idle now. however i measure the boost and it was only at 5 psi., i'm planning to increase the boost gradually to about 9psi.