Aftermarket tuning...its highs and lows

[Pagz]

If you've followed this project..than your probably bored to death with all my whining haha...so ill try keep this brief=)

HIGH:
This weekend i changed the turbine housing from .63 to .84 to help prevent surge down low and uncontrolled boost in the high.

The Results were a decent power increase in the higher rpm,with very little if any difference in the lower responce...this indicates the .63 housing was way to small.

There appears to be no surge anymore and the wastgate is now able to hold 5.5 until around 3500 rpm...which is not an issue anyway once we run the 15 psi spring.

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LOW:
However things never go that smooth,after removing the filter for the first time since the car was tuned...i discovered the compressor wheel has taken a beating...it appears the steal mesh inside the pipercross filter was not properly fixed to the alloy bell mouth inside...this resulted in mesh filing its way into the alloy...and consequently a very small piece of steal mesh has come loose and entered the compressor...this could also be the reason i have oil in #4...we will find out i guess:rolleyes:....fark.

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Peace,
Paul

[Pagz]

Also heres some short vids from a mates camera...we will make some decent ones once i have a usable clutch.

The MB box is really poor 1-2 if you push just alittle to hard...its not just my driving lol=P...
as you can see we loose the clutch at around 4000 in 3rd,final speed is 130km

Vid 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2IDxH72jvc)

This was taken to show how it sounds...heaps of clutch slip.

Vid 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sc0t4CApco)

Cheers,Paul

[pisit]

hey Paul,
haven't heard from you for a while.
yupp, ur car does seem to have a lot of clutch slipping. use a 4-puck:D :D :D


HIGH:
This weekend i changed the turbine housing from .63 to .84 to help prevent surge down low and uncontrolled boost in the high.
hmmm, now that an inspiration for me to change to a bigger turbine housing. currently mine is an a/r .64 :rolleyes: i was looking for more solid boost over 4,000 rpm, but haven't thought was any solution yet. but those dents on the compressor wheel look nasty. hope thing will get in place soon.
good luck!

[RemoLexi]

thats plain nastyy!!! :D

I can only imagine all the headaches .. and you still have transmission issues behind all that. why not pull the 6-speed from an SLK ?? the SLK transmission MUST be differnt because I know they cant be THAT bad... 717.4 right ??

[Nelson Lago]

my plane would be to turbo my c280 (V6 ya i know its going to be a basterd if i do it) if i have enough money and a place to do it. O ya and to re-map my computer to the turbo.

[Pagz]

Originally posted by pisit
hey Paul,
haven't heard from you for a while.
yupp, ur car does seem to have a lot of clutch slipping. use a 4-puck:D :D :D


hmmm, now that an inspiration for me to change to a bigger turbine housing. currently mine is an a/r .64 :rolleyes: i was looking for more solid boost over 4,000 rpm, but haven't thought was any solution yet. but those dents on the compressor wheel look nasty. hope thing will get in place soon.
good luck!

Hey man,
Yeh,i dont get as much time for cars anymore...plus i dont have as much funds to burn...i dont have any plans to sell the car so i will eventually fix it right as long as gas doesnt exceed the cost of living=)

haha yeh im going to go 6 puck when we pull the engine down!...cant wait ;)

Interesting!,what turbo do you have(specs and brand please)...so do you have a drop off in boost after 4000?...or does it simply not reach the set boost level?...both issues point towards the compressor being to small or a big pressure drop through the Intake/IC system or a combination of both.

Changing the turbine housing to a larger A/R will simply lower back pressure to allow greater gas flow at higher RPM usually at the cost of low end responce...it is very unlikely changing to a larger turbine A/R will increase mass airflow in the higher RPM...infact it may decrease it!.

Also be carful when changing A/R ratios....a T3 .63 housing is slightly bigger than a T25 .86...it depends on the turbine flange inlet size and its distance from centre A to centre R...i used to run a T25 .86 on the first setup...now i run a much larger T3 .84(or .82 cant remember)

Thanks...as i thought there is no cover for these parts if they fail...so looks like i will be re-building my engine and turbo at my cost...next life maybe=P

Laters man,
Paul

[Pagz]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
thats plain nastyy!!! :D

I can only imagine all the headaches .. and you still have transmission issues behind all that. why not pull the 6-speed from an SLK ?? the SLK transmission MUST be differnt because I know they cant be THAT bad... 717.4 right ??

Haha...YUP=D

Maybe put that in one day...but its very low on the list atm...nice thought tho =)

Cheers,
Paul

[Pagz]

Originally posted by Nelson Lago
my plane would be to turbo my c280 (V6 ya i know its going to be a basterd if i do it) if i have enough money and a place to do it. O ya and to re-map my computer to the turbo.

Change your plan...buy an OE turbo car...enjoy it =) haha

[SLAMMED_C]

I dont think anyone will ever be bored of the Turbo C!
There are always issues with tuning, especially with pure custom set ups like yours.
glad to see the car is more mobile and driving around!
awesome vids man.. very cool! must be a pretty damn quick car Paul. MORE VIDS... MORE!!!
any plans to partake in the local drags?! hmmmm?!
Car is looking sweet man.. its been a long time coming. dont give up.. keep at her.
what?.. tearing it down again?!! are you kidding me?

glad to see someones car is coming along nicely.. mine on the other hand had taken a few steps back after my unfortunate accident on the highway yesterday.. slight mishap with some snow.. sliding out, and the center divider of the highway.. need to get my car to the body shop. Fawking hate snow.

[xvvvz]

285's on snow with a w202? That must have been an interesting drive! Sorry to hear about the mishap.

[omeyhomey]

Badass paul. I'm surprised more 230ks don't go turbo. the 230K bottom end is already built for boost. What you think is the boost threshold for stock bottom end, 20PSI?

Good call on the bigger housing & etc, car sounds great but you definitely need a stronger clutch. You going to go kevlar? i would suggest staying away from a 6-puck kevlar, I had one on my BMW E30 track car and the engaugement was razor sharp, it got so annoying I stopped using 1st gear (well that and I had 4.10 gears :) so it was basically burnout gear).

Awesome job, you really are at the forefront of W202 230k tuning, great job. :D :cool:

[c280nz]

what up bruva,
i sent u a pm but ur box musta been fill cos i didnt get no response, so il put it in here:

- that sucks about the compressor wheel, wont be cheap, those small filings shouldnt have done any damage to the engine i wouldnt have thought? cant of sprayed many filings out?

interesting about your exhaust housing, i would have thought u would have just needed a bigger and better placed wastgate to control boost,and are surprised you got around it by using a bigger exhaust wheel without sacraficing to much down low.

i got my car going now, just running low boost at the mo (its in the 2-4psi range) on standard computer, waiting on some time to install my piggyback + larger injectors + wideband.
at the moment i have just left the internal wastgate on the turbo and adjusted it full open and at 6500 rpm in 3rd gear it only makes about 4pound so i shouldnt have a problem with boost creep when i close the wasgate and get it to run higher as it can keep the boost lower than what i plan to make if you follow what i am trying to say.

il put my own topic and pics on in here soon

peace

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by xvvvz
285's on snow with a w202? That must have been an interesting drive! Sorry to hear about the mishap.
no!! I have winter tires on, 205/55/16 for winter.. my 285 are summer only!

thanks, she should be fixed up in a week or so. I hope! checking out a couple body shops on thursday.

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
no!! I have winter tires on, 205/55/26 for winter.. my 285 are summer only!

thanks, she should be fixed up in a week or so. I hope! checking out a couple body shops on thursday.

damn ridin 26's ??? LOL jkjk

[jstrat85]

paul whats up my brother! and i was wondering whats going on with you and your project!! remember nothing like a turbo w202! trust me!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
damn ridin 26's ??? LOL jkjk
whoaaa!! my bad!!

[Cru328prod]

hey paul you should take it 2 the stealership forr an oil change....the car will run faster with all the drool dripping on the intercooler

[Pagz]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
I dont think anyone will ever be bored of the Turbo C!
There are always issues with tuning, especially with pure custom set ups like yours.
glad to see the car is more mobile and driving around!
awesome vids man.. very cool! must be a pretty damn quick car Paul. MORE VIDS... MORE!!!
any plans to partake in the local drags?! hmmmm?!
Car is looking sweet man.. its been a long time coming. dont give up.. keep at her.
what?.. tearing it down again?!! are you kidding me?

glad to see someones car is coming along nicely.. mine on the other hand had taken a few steps back after my unfortunate accident on the highway yesterday.. slight mishap with some snow.. sliding out, and the center divider of the highway.. need to get my car to the body shop. Fawking hate snow.

SUp dude,
Thanks heaps!,there will def be more vids to come...next time with a good quality cam and microphone!...it goes really well until the clutch throws it in!....haha would love to get it her to the drags...i dont expect fast times as gear changing is alittle slow and with a lack of lsd it will be tough,plus its heavy and on 19's...but would be an intereting fun day anyway!.
Yeh it will def be coming apart again...theres no two ways about it!...its all good though i will get it right this time!=)

WTF you dinged it?,or worse?....it was sooo straight too!...sorry to here man have you got any pics?
if we had snow mine would so only be out when there wasnt!;)

[Pagz]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Badass paul. I'm surprised more 230ks don't go turbo. the 230K bottom end is already built for boost. What you think is the boost threshold for stock bottom end, 20PSI?

Good call on the bigger housing & etc, car sounds great but you definitely need a stronger clutch. You going to go kevlar? i would suggest staying away from a 6-puck kevlar, I had one on my BMW E30 track car and the engaugement was razor sharp, it got so annoying I stopped using 1st gear (well that and I had 4.10 gears :) so it was basically burnout gear).

Awesome job, you really are at the forefront of W202 230k tuning, great job. :D :cool:

Cheers Omey,
I have no idea what the bottom end will take...when i showed a few engine builders what the oe rods,pistons and crank looked like they told me i should be putting those back in!!...thats a slight indication they look strong and fit for the job...but who knows...my advise to anyone turboing the 230k would be to run stock internals and see what it will handle!

As for the clutch i want it to stay dual mass...so i guess the options are a heavier pressure plate on stock clutch pad or puck on stock pressure plate...i think puck is the easier way out maybe make it a 7,8,9 or something?? what do you think?...i saw a custom dual mass made for an S15 not so long ago...the owner was adimate he was keeping that style for street after driving his friends without it...so we could always go custom dual mass if the oe engineering doesnt hold the hp....lets hope it does for the sake of my bank account.

Thanks heaps man,
Paul

[Pagz]

Originally posted by jstrat85
paul whats up my brother! and i was wondering whats going on with you and your project!! remember nothing like a turbo w202! trust me!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Sup Bro!,
haha yeh man even though she gives me all this shit i still love her;););)

Whats happened with yours i havent caught up in ages?

[Pagz]

Originally posted by Cru328prod
hey paul you should take it 2 the stealership forr an oil change....the car will run faster with all the drool dripping on the intercooler

Hahaha,
Man after seeing how they treat my parents new MB's here they wouldnt even get a glimps of mine...it would likely come back with antifreeze inplace of oil... lol

(last oil change i saw on there car last week there was more oil around the engine bay than in it,and they either didnt do up the drain plug properly or didnt replace the copper washer...as its leaking everywhere lol)

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by 23K
SUp dude,
Thanks heaps!,there will def be more vids to come...next time with a good quality cam and microphone!...it goes really well until the clutch throws it in!....haha would love to get it her to the drags...i dont expect fast times as gear changing is alittle slow and with a lack of lsd it will be tough,plus its heavy and on 19's...but would be an intereting fun day anyway!.
Yeh it will def be coming apart again...theres no two ways about it!...its all good though i will get it right this time!=)

WTF you dinged it?,or worse?....it was sooo straight too!...sorry to here man have you got any pics?
if we had snow mine would so only be out when there wasnt!;)
GOOD!!.. need some good vids of this beast! love the sound of a turbo car.
well hopefully you can get the trans issue sorted out soon. then you can rip it up on the track!! yeh i know.. its a bit of a pig.. our cars are kinda heavy.. but with enough power you can get it moving!
its a bit of a ding!!.. not too pretty. had a few quotes so far to get it fixed. have to think it over and see how much I wanna spend. I want it fixed.. but I dont see point in dropping alot of money into it.. i can buy a 99 or 2000 C230 kompressor for 6-8000. cheap as hell now.
I really wish I had a winter car.. i didnt really want my c to see the winters.

[Pagz]

Originally posted by c280nz
what up bruva,
i sent u a pm but ur box musta been fill cos i didnt get no response, so il put it in here:

- that sucks about the compressor wheel, wont be cheap, those small filings shouldnt have done any damage to the engine i wouldnt have thought? cant of sprayed many filings out?

interesting about your exhaust housing, i would have thought u would have just needed a bigger and better placed wastgate to control boost,and are surprised you got around it by using a bigger exhaust wheel without sacraficing to much down low.

i got my car going now, just running low boost at the mo (its in the 2-4psi range) on standard computer, waiting on some time to install my piggyback + larger injectors + wideband.
at the moment i have just left the internal wastgate on the turbo and adjusted it full open and at 6500 rpm in 3rd gear it only makes about 4pound so i shouldnt have a problem with boost creep when i close the wasgate and get it to run higher as it can keep the boost lower than what i plan to make if you follow what i am trying to say.

il put my own topic and pics on in here soon

peace


Sup Brotha,
Nope inbox wasnt full i just was usless and forgot to reply,very sorry man=)

Yeh the fine alloy filings would have done very little if anything to the engine...it was the small piece of steel mesh that broke off inside the filter which did the damage...it was thought that maybe the filter hit somthing and that was why it pulled the mesh out of the resin inside the filter...but there is absolutely no damage to the alloy around the filter...Any I4 engine produces some unwanted vibration,which is usually minimised with balance shafts etc etc...the M111 is shocking for it...mine produces an awsome resonance at around 2500...which was amplified many times with a nice thin wall stainless header on the first setup.most people would never notice it with those extremely soft engine mounts!...MB put them there for a very good reason!.
after speaking with the good guy who makes piper cross filters for nz,and even makes them from scratch(alloy and a ball peen hammer lol)and ships them for NAS cars in US told me they had that same filter get destroyed by the vibration on a porsch engine...interesting,hes going to repair the filter and make it stronger for free...and as he doesnt work for the same company i bought it off anymore it was only fair i didnt argue the rest of the damage...not that i would have got very far with it theres just no garrentee with this stuff.

hmmm...theres a few reasons why i did the exhaust housing(it uses original turbine) instead of the wastegate.
there really is only one place for the wastegate otherwise i would have picked a better place for flow...we debated this alot when it was built...also to replace the wastgate with a larger one wouldnt have been that benificial unless we upgraded pipe size from start to finish...which is def a pita...also as we run more boost the waste will do less and less work....ALSO there is a small but tidy ridge inside the manifold which restricts flow very minorly...i will remove this on the engine re-build...it should help control boost control just alittle...you could also argue why we used the smallest wastegate tial make?....simply because we had no issue with boost control on the first setup...and it was only running 5.5 pounds!!!...BUT...the manifold pipes were alot larger and longer...exhaust gas moved slower...there was more lag on the first setup and it had an even smaller turbine housing A/R than i ran first time on this setup!!!!!!....but then again i had a more retrictive exhaust on the first so that wouldnt have helped this could be why we had no surge on the first setup!...arg man i could go on and on hahahaha
...uncontrolled boost wasnt the main concern...it was the surge,now surge usually indicates to large of a compressor...but this was certainly not to large...i mean they use this turbo on S13/14/15's...surly it cant be to big for a 2.3L when its run on 1.8-2L...so i decided that if we could loose a little bit of bottom end responce it may be enough to get it away from the surge line without sacrificing top end flow by reducing compressor size...so far the upgrade to a larger turbine housing A/R has done the job...lets hope once i replace the damaged compressor i dont get alittle surge back LOL

Cool so your all up and running!!! PICS!!!!,or it never happened=P haha
Yep i get what you've done you shouldnt have any uncontrolled boost...you will always get some boost creep unless you run a boost controller to hold it shut until desired...or you could do a back yard job and put and expansion tank inline so that the W/G causes boost to spike slightly to avoid creep then drop back to set pressure...but thats such a hack way lol
man that thing will go hard when you've tuned it!! again PICS please =P

Maybe one day if i get this thing WOF/REGO'd ill do a roady down your way haha would be a good trip...hell expensive tho it really drinks that 98 lol

Laters Bro,
Paul

[RacerXofFL]

Originally posted by pisit
hey Paul,
haven't heard from you for a while.
yupp, ur car does seem to have a lot of clutch slipping. use a 4-puck:D :D :D



Originally posted by 23K
haha yeh im going to go 6 puck when we pull the engine down!...cant wait ;)



Don't do it!

lol, sorry to be so blunt, but having owned a 4puck, and using a 717.430 in my car I can say you will really regret it.

I am now running a full faced metalic, look at either spec, or clutchnet. The 4 puck was dangerous in the parking garage @ work. I could only back into spaces, I would use gravity and the incline rather the the clutch to make it in my space. Forget about the drive through, only way your making it is 2500+rpm chattering to inch up. Puck wear was terriable, and worst off: I had to build custom shaft's center mount and blew up a diff from the shock I was putting through.

My car is not stock to say the least, check my other posts if you wana know more or look @ www.turbobenz.com

Paul, if you want I will even call you (on my work's dime :p ) if you need any more convincing.

Don

[Cru328prod]

well hey i'd turbo my c230k if i can just get a super nice turbo manifold made......*cough paul* awman my cough is getting worce......

[c280nz]

i am hanging out to get the pics up, i took them on my mates camera and now hes misplaced it :rolleyes: rediculus i know.

and dont be to set on staying with a dual mass, i changed to a lightweight solid and even a solid clucth disc and man it made a difference, gearbox seems to love it to... so far :eek:

run a lightweight single mass and sprung centre clutch would be the best option imo.

yea i bought a blitz boost controller for boost control,

i was in auckland like 2 weeks ago for a mates party, i shuda brought the benz round, and i ant worried bout fuel just tick that shit up business expense :D

and why are u even worried about surge u shud be driving that thing either wide open or braking - nothing in between :cool:

[Pagz]

Originally posted by RacerXofFL
Don't do it!

lol, sorry to be so blunt, but having owned a 4puck, and using a 717.430 in my car I can say you will really regret it.

I am now running a full faced metalic, look at either spec, or clutchnet. The 4 puck was dangerous in the parking garage @ work. I could only back into spaces, I would use gravity and the incline rather the the clutch to make it in my space. Forget about the drive through, only way your making it is 2500+rpm chattering to inch up. Puck wear was terriable, and worst off: I had to build custom shaft's center mount and blew up a diff from the shock I was putting through.

My car is not stock to say the least, check my other posts if you wana know more or look @ www.turbobenz.com

Paul, if you want I will even call you (on my work's dime :p ) if you need any more convincing.

Don

Hey Don!,
Thanks fo the heads up!,i would def run a full faced item if i can,i didnt think i could get a better pressure plate!...i checked out Specclutches and they seem to do kits for the 99-01 SLK230...which i would assume has the same flywheel as mine..if it does that will be perfect!...it sounds like i will go with stage 1 maybe 2,ill call them and to further discuss what i should expect from each stage.

Thanks for the offer man!..will pm you if i get stuck on anymore clutch issues!..

Cheers,
Paul

[Pagz]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
GOOD!!.. need some good vids of this beast! love the sound of a turbo car.
well hopefully you can get the trans issue sorted out soon. then you can rip it up on the track!! yeh i know.. its a bit of a pig.. our cars are kinda heavy.. but with enough power you can get it moving!
its a bit of a ding!!.. not too pretty. had a few quotes so far to get it fixed. have to think it over and see how much I wanna spend. I want it fixed.. but I dont see point in dropping alot of money into it.. i can buy a 99 or 2000 C230 kompressor for 6-8000. cheap as hell now.
I really wish I had a winter car.. i didnt really want my c to see the winters.

haha yeh that extra wieght doesnt help performance thats for sure...but i dont mind it to much it makes for a more comfy ride that way...after all it is still a merc =D

I hear ya...You should just get a 2000 model and transfer over all the mods :D....make sure it manual this time =P hehe

[Pagz]

Originally posted by Cru328prod
well hey i'd turbo my c230k if i can just get a super nice turbo manifold made......*cough paul* awman my cough is getting worce......

lol ...its definitly getting worse=P

[Pagz]

Originally posted by c280nz
i am hanging out to get the pics up, i took them on my mates camera and now hes misplaced it :rolleyes: rediculus i know.

and dont be to set on staying with a dual mass, i changed to a lightweight solid and even a solid clucth disc and man it made a difference, gearbox seems to love it to... so far :eek:

run a lightweight single mass and sprung centre clutch would be the best option imo.

yea i bought a blitz boost controller for boost control,

i was in auckland like 2 weeks ago for a mates party, i shuda brought the benz round, and i ant worried bout fuel just tick that shit up business expense :D

and why are u even worried about surge u shud be driving that thing either wide open or braking - nothing in between :cool:

Time to deal to that mate=D

I think it may be a slightly different game on the I4 vs I6...you may find the bulk of the vibration is at a less noticeable area of the rpm on an I6 simply because of the different resonance frequencies from torsion on the crank...
i spoke with this guy in US about his C230K coupe for a while,he had sold the car but still had the single mass flywheel made by unorthodox racing...apparently they had vibration at around 2500rpm...I would imagine the extra resonance from lack of wieght and sprung absorption would shorten the gearbox life and cause unwanted vibration in the cab..something iv been battling for ever on this project lol! ..the slight vibration i get at around 2500 makes me question the changes i did to the crank pulley...as it appears these are set to dampen or absorb which ever is the correct term at the worst effected RPM for that engine...i think my original C230K pulley had 280 - 320hz stamped on it where as the N/A one had something like 260 - 300Hz...the different Hz would most likely be due to the extra load of the SC pulley and belt....i even wonder if theres a different pulley for the manual and automatic models due to different loading and flywheel weights...hmmm thinking hurts =P

Oh bro you were here*shakes head* should have told me!=)

Haha thats just it!...i only get surge in the lower RPM when it is at or close to WOT!!=P...*Responce...well wtf should it ever be that low in the rev range haha

[Pagz]

While im on the vibration topic heres some awsum info i just found....

Notice the I6 produces much less above mean torque than the I4!...

http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-PistonExcit.htm



Cheers,
Paul

[VIP_MBZ]

Originally posted by 23K
Cheers Omey,
I have no idea what the bottom end will take...when i showed a few engine builders what the oe rods,pistons and crank looked like they told me i should be putting those back in!!...thats a slight indication they look strong and fit for the job...but who knows...my advise to anyone turboing the 230k would be to run stock internals and see what it will handle!


Paul,

Having torn the motor down, what do you feel like the weak points are, especially for high mileage M111's? At 145k miles, my biggest concern before considering any extra boosting is the head bolt torque or head gasket itself.

I could do a compression test to try to determine the health of the rings, but my guess is that everything is kosher.

Is there a stock baffling plate for the oil pan?

-Ray

[Pagz]

Originally posted by VIP_MBZ
Paul,

Having torn the motor down, what do you feel like the weak points are, especially for high mileage M111's? At 145k miles, my biggest concern before considering any extra boosting is the head bolt torque or head gasket itself.

I could do a compression test to try to determine the health of the rings, but my guess is that everything is kosher.

Is there a stock baffling plate for the oil pan?

-Ray

Hi Ray,
Yes,there is a baffle plate between the sump and crank...the baffling around the oil pump is alittle on the light side.
When we pulled the engine down it had done 96Kk's...which is not high milage by any means.
there was very light wear on the molly coating used on the skirts but that is normal,i think a high percentage of this coat is used up on the initial break in period anyhow?.
All bearings were in great condition.

If anything,as you said the head gasket may be of some concern if your really planing to push it!...I would be tempted to leave everything as is and see how you go with the extra boost...replace what you break when it breaks...i wish i had have done it that way!.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_162_full.jpg


Very little wear on the skirts.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_197_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_198_full.jpg

Original honing.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/735000-735999/735658_375_full.jpg



Cheers,
Paul

[omeyhomey]

Gotta love Cast Iron blocks, they still show original honing even as high as 250k miles. those blocks are almost indestructible

My M104 block looked 100% brand new when I opened her up, a real gem.

[Cru328prod]

is that the CPS with the red o ring

[Pagz]

great to hear Omey!=)

Yep thats the cps you see there!

[VIP_MBZ]

I guess if I blow up my motor, there is always the F20C option....

http://www.bespokeventures.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/exciting2.jpg

-Ray

[Pagz]

Haha feels so wrong to see that in there!!=D

I like that engine though.

[VIP_MBZ]

Originally posted by 23K
Haha feels so wrong to see that in there!!=D

I like that engine though.

What feels more wrong is that it looks like a real C43 was hacked up for this project, lol.

-Ray