Would the O.Z amg wheels suit the 202?

[Pagz]

19's are nice however im looking at a set of 17's for everyday use maybe perminant,less road noise,smoother lock,better rolling diameter etc etc etc

these are pretty much the only 17's that interest me.

They come in 129 fitment 8.5x17 et18,10x17 et17.(local guys have the rears in stock,need refurb,but wouldnt fit anyway)

and... they also come in a 17 et30 or et31
to fit the SEC merc although slightly more rare.(have found a set though not local)

They may not fit the brakes on the front....however I can get the outer rim locally and could just get the disk part cast/replicated and make them in any offset....just an idea.

Opinions?...

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1483/tcfa81146or7.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f34/ATStone/PICT1703.jpg

[Pagz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/blakwag/IMG_2505.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/blakwag/IMG_6627.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/amg0055a55.jpg

[Denlasoul]

They would look sharp.

[anf6789]

those are beautiful. They look horrible on that passat though

[Nelson Lago]

thay will look good and please take them off that VW

[jnolte]

NICE

[SLAMMED_C]

NICE wheels!.. if you can find the R129 version.. youd be one lucky SOB! they are pretty rare... well at least Ive seen very few.
but honestly.. Id go with an 18" wheel for everyday use. I loved running my 19's.. but the roads just didnt agree with them!.. so I swapped out to 18's. 18's are a very nice compromise, still larger wheel so they look the part. 17's for an everyday wheel are too small IMO. they can look nice.. but an 18" wheel would set off your car better.
love the dish on those AMG's though!

[Pagz]

yo,
Actually today i had a look at an R129 set...pretty rough they would need a full re-furb....amazingly enough the front R129 clear the stoptech caliper!.....however there an 8.5 et18 so would sit out 12mm further than my 19's do already...thats a bit much!...hopfully i will fit a couple of them this weekend and see how it looks so we can decide if its really worth the hassle!...17 is definitly to small...im kinda hoping if i can run some really agressive offset with the right tire it wont look to bad....but tires are the easy bit....tring to make the R129's fit is near impossible unless i swap outers...i check with local manufactures and there step lip 17's are too small in the middle to take the amg disk...=(

Another idea would be to get a set of Work 18" outers and cast some AMG centres to suit....then i thought why not just do it to my 19's...............lol

i agree though 18's would be nice...however im aiming for really good ride quality if i do this...even if it means sacrificing the look=O

[Pagz]

Could always just go jdm again lol...so easy and light....dont mock my photoshopping i did this in Paint lol:D

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580455_large.jpg

[Pagz]

Another rough 2 min job on the 17ish look,if you stand far enough back from the screen(4m)its not to bad hehe
check those huge calipers in the back ^^

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580456_large.jpg

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by 23K
yo,
Actually today i had a look at an R129 set...pretty rough they would need a full re-furb....amazingly enough the front R129 clear the stoptech caliper!.....however there an 8.5 et18 so would sit out 12mm further than my 19's do already...thats a bit much!...hopfully i will fit a couple of them this weekend and see how it looks so we can decide if its really worth the hassle!...17 is definitly to small...im kinda hoping if i can run some really agressive offset with the right tire it wont look to bad....but tires are the easy bit....tring to make the R129's fit is near impossible unless i swap outers...i check with local manufactures and there step lip 17's are too small in the middle to take the amg disk...=(

Another idea would be to get a set of Work 18" outers and cast some AMG centres to suit....then i thought why not just do it to my 19's...............lol

i agree though 18's would be nice...however im aiming for really good ride quality if i do this...even if it means sacrificing the look=O

For sure the R129 wheels look nice.. but still too small. since you have such an aggressive front end now I think the 17's would look way too small. need 18's for sure. its a good compromise.
that would cost a bit to have AMG look inners cast for your work 19" outers?!

[Logic]

Like ICE CUBE would say those aint twenty's but he keeps them clean hehehehe

[Pagz]

I hear ya...18's would be a good compromise!,definitly would look better...there just 1 step harder than 17^^
As wierd as it looks I may go with a dark coloured silver or bronze 17" XD9 as....they do they in a 8.5 and 9.5 with the right offsets and nice lip...just need to get approval on the caliper clearance...

Could always make a billet amg centre for the work S1's,that would look awsome im very sure....and it would cost a bit im very very sure haha

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by 23K
I hear ya...18's would be a good compromise!,definitly would look better...there just 1 step harder than 17^^
As wierd as it looks I may go with a dark coloured silver or bronze 17" XD9 as....they do they in a 8.5 and 9.5 with the right offsets and nice lip...just need to get approval on the caliper clearance...

Could always make a billet amg centre for the work S1's,that would look awsome im very sure....and it would cost a bit im very very sure haha
although.. 17's would be alot lighter! Id be more about the look then about a few extra pounds on the wheels! youre pushing some realy good power now so I dont think youd notice too much of a difference with 18 compared to 17's.
xd9's look pretty nice.
the custom billet AMG centers would be cool as fuck!.. but they would cost as much as you put into your car I think!

[Pagz]

Heres the reason why i want 17's =)





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Quote from: stretch

Ugh, I keep trying to resist posting to this thread.

Can't do it anymore.

The average 20" wheel is 35lbs. The stock 16" wheel combination WITH tires is 39.4 lbs. So you're almost as heavy before even mounting tires! I tried looking up tire weights, and realized that no respectable manufacturer makes the size you would need. So you're forced to buy shit tires. Kuhmo doesn't even make the "MX" in a 20" size because no respectable performance driver would be on 20's. But their 712's are available in SUV sizes, and the 255/35/20 is 30lbs. T1-S's also come in that size, but no smaller width. These are essentially SUV tires, they're heavy because they're designed to support a lot of weight. Falken doesn't even make Azenis in a size over 17" because again, no respectable racer (autocrosser) would use wheels larger than that.

The only reason to run large wheels is to run large brakes, and the 3's brakes are completely adequate for track use (when used with track pads) even under 16" wheels.

Anyway, back to weights. You're going to run 35lb wheels with 30lb tires, totally 65lbs compared with 39.4lbs stock. This is not like adding a 200lb subwoofer in the trunk (which is pretty stupid), this is far worse. The thing about wheels is you have to spin them, and that takes much more effort than it does to move an object that isn't spinning. You're dealing with the polar moment of inertia.

I won't bother explaining it since I doubt you care (and Crossbow already touched on it), but here are some numbers for you.

In fact, just for fun I looked up how much straight-line performance you'd lose by switching from 16" wheels to 20" wheels if the wheels weighed the same. It'd be about like adding 200 static weight to the car, which would take an additional 11ft-lbs of torque (roughly 15hp @ the rev limiter) to compensate and get the same acceleration as a stock car. That's bad enough.

But no 20" wheel is as light as the stock 16's. Your combination will weigh 65lbs, remember?

That's like adding nearly 800lbs of static weight to the car. Think about that number. That's almost 30% of your car's entire weight. In order for the car to accelerate like it did STOCK, you'd have to gain back 42ft-lbs of torque over the ENTIRE rev range. At the rev limiter, you'd need to be making 55 extra horsepower. Not gonna happen without forced induction. So basically, you'll need to supercharge your car to keep pace with a stock Mazda3 on 16" wheels.

Bling bling though, right?

Now you know why people with big rims get laughed at. Clowns wear big shoes too, but they're supposed to be funny.

Oh, and that's assuming you get the tires to fit in the first place, and then manage to make it over a pothole. You should aim to keep the volume of air in a tire constant when plus-sizing, which is why you should always upgrade to a wider wheel and wider tire when plus-sizing (a reason why Porsche uses hollow spokes!). Due to fender size constraints, you can do neither, and your brand new $4000 wheels will be bent in no time. The sidewall on 35 profile tires has to be very soft to be compliant, and your car will look like the rims are touching the ground. You know the look- like the tires are low on air. Take a turn and it looks like the rim scrapes, hit a pothole and the rim breaks. Utterly stupid looking.

Oh, and I almost forgot to mention- that extra 800lbs of equivelant weight that you're adding to the vehicle? You're going to have to slow it down, too. Good thing the Mazda3 has awesome brakes, cause you're going to need every ounce of them to stop your car in just routine traffic.

Here's a link for you to read:

Plus-sizing for dummies: a dozen reasons not to go bling-bling with large wheels.


MZ6ZoomZoom:
Quote from: crossbow


Any increase in unsprung weight is multiplied by a variety of factors.

Did you know that a mere 2 lb increase in tireweight on a 19 inch diameter tire is equivilant to 200 lbs of additional static weight?


Quote from: crossbow

http://www.mazda6tech.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=32

And here's the direct formula.
http://www.mazda6tech.com/files/rotational.xls

Its quite accurate based on 1/4 and 0-60 times. Having experienced the opposite effect on my car (dropping 40+ lbs of unsprung weight), I can definitely say unsprung weight is one of the most important aspects of a cars performance. Combined with proper tires, it has the ability to make or break what makes a car great. Heavy wheels and tires make the car feel slow, the steering heavy, reduce braking performance, acceleration, and the overall effect of suspension on the car.

Lightweight wheels and tires (smaller diameter then stock, lower profile rubber, lightweight forged wheels), make the car feel hundreds of pounds lighter then it actually is, give a very light steering feel (feels nimble as hell), and increase braking performance, acceleration, and require the suspension to do far less work to maintain the car's manuverability.


Quote from: crossbow

Remember that though you can maintain the same overall ratio, you are still pushing the tire weight further away from the center of the wheel hub. Because of rotational inertia (insert smart math forumla's I don't understand here), this means that even if you have wheels of identical weight, your still increasing the inertia (and torque required to turn the wheel) by 6-8% (per inch of additional wheel diameter).

So technically to maintain the exact same performance specs (And its effect on unsprung weight) while increasing grip/aesthetics, you'll have to REDUCE the weight of the larger wheels over stock. Aka if you went with a nice set of forged SSR GT2's (18x7.5) which were around 18 or so lbs, its possible to maintain the exact same or better characteristics as a stock configuration while increasing aesthetics.

Because of rotational inertia, the importance of tire weight becomes absolutely critical on a 19 or 20 inch wheel. (Because its on the outside of the rotational mass) A mere lb of additional tire weight can have a drastic effect on the car.

Article on Unsprung Weight and Rotational Inertia
http://www.mazda6tech.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=32

[Pagz]

Damn XD9's dont clear the brakes...back to the O.Z amg idea :S

[Pagz]

mmm

http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline/images/R129-AMG-wheel-side.jpg

http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline/images/AMG-all-four.jpg

[Pagz]

Finally found them on a 202!!
its flaired O.O
they look pretty small =P



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[c280nz]

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/sk-network/img10384674701.jpeg

imo i liked your original 19s best, then the ones u have now second best, and these ones ur looking at changing to, 3rd.

i wouldnt have thought the 19s would have been to rough round auckland? with all the smooth motorways and alike, or do they make the ride to rough and cause you to spill your latte's :p

and its not all about going fast, its about looking cool why you do it :cool:
otherwise you may aswell just own an evo or somethin like that

[Pagz]

Originally posted by c280nz

i wouldnt have thought the 19s would have been to rough round auckland? with all the smooth motorways and alike, or do they make the ride to rough and cause you to spill your latte's :p


-.-" ........possibly some truth in that :D hahaha


Yeh have to agree on the look good part however the look good and go fast clash hard in this case...that is unless you have a spare 10 - 15K for light weight 19's.

The car used to feel much more nimble,steering was light,brakes were sharp,no rough noise when turning tight,less road noise in general,the aftermarket suspension is very very smooth all round with stock wheels.Installing larger brakes made the suspension in the front feel alot worse!

The rolling diameter is perhaps the biggest killer...being that extra 10 - 15mm taller.

Since iv had the 19's iv never liked how it felt so definitely going to go 17 but haven't found anything to exciting just yet...the other option is to use wobble bolts for 114.5...but not so keen!

got that box in yet?

[Pagz]

hmmm

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580458_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580457_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580460_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580459_large.jpg

[c280nz]

^ those are both nice
i was just lookin thru your car domain, everything is looking good! and very well documented! but man the 5th page is so depressing paul :eek:
i understand where ur comin from with the 17s tho!
but im gona stick with the 19s and then just tell you that the ladies love the extra 2 inches :D

[Pagz]

Lmfao!

Thanks dude,was board one evening last week thought the site could do with a revamp,almost deleted the last page but decided maybe its good having a bit of history

17"s dont have to look totally tiny though0o...it says on the cars profile there 17x10 and 17x9!

http://www.cleaned.be/gfx/garage/30_04.jpg

http://www.cleaned.be/gfx/garage/30_05.jpg

17x12 in the rear
http://www.cleaned.be/gfx/garage/51_05.jpg

[Pagz]

Tramont have these...going through a few german sites they have some sick wheels over there

not so sure about these but the car isnt lowered very far which makes a heap of difference

http://www.mh-dezent.de/frames/_borders/C_vr_midi.jpg



dammit why must my brakes kill the front lip^^

http://www.tramont.fr/showroom/bmw/bmw_e30c.jpg

http://www.tramont.fr/showroom/bmw/e46vert.jpg


these would do nice but dunno who makes them,pic is of 17's.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/Al_s14/sale%20stuff/Panasport%20Wheels/IMG_3215.jpg

[c280nz]

those bmws look good! and man thats a big lip on that 17*12, but dont like the south auckland windscreen strip.
-finaly got my car going today, i think i need to bleed a bit more air out of the clutch system tho, it sometimes doesnt disenguage fully and creeps a bit in gear, next few days

[Pagz]

Eww yeh that screen banner,south auckland bmw wouldnt have those rims very long ^^

Good to hear!!...i had problems with mine last time i bled it,just couldnt get that last bubble out....think i was trying to do it on my own that time which makes it a tad tricky=)
Hows the new engine run?

[c280nz]

yea i can see where the bubble would sit, in the tube as it goes over the gearbox and then back down the other side, right at the top of the gearbox loop i recon its a prime bubble hangout,
engine goes good, and getn plenty of fuel with the new injectors, and thats with a lower fuel pressure, so should make the pump last longer

[SLAMMED_C]

some nice looking wheels there paul.. I get ya with the 17's! always good to keep the power you have worked so hard to make.. then to lose it through having large wheels. Im still gonna say a nice 18" is the way to go though!!
those are some nice 17's you posted.. all of them look decent. the VW ones looked pretty sweet.. Ive always liked a deep dish rim on a VW.
the SL with the black center AMG's looked nice.. would look god on your car, although I think a gunmetal center would suit better then a full black. and as for the w202 with the multi piece AMG's.. it makes the wheel look so much smaller.. its only an illusion though. they still looked nice.

[Pagz]

All good!! hehe yeh could imagine they would hang out there=) hows the clutch?


Ross,yeh its been tough trying to find a decent wheel that looks good and will clear the stoptech brakes...theres pretty much nothing out there for a decent price....anything that clears and looks is 6-7K in 17's...the exchange is omg atm.

Im temped to go with these SSR's but $$$$$$$$$$ O.O...cant afford them for along time...maybe unless i sell the S1's.
cleanest touring wheel i can find and has good clearance...wieghs 7 - 7.5kg which is like 4kg+ lighter than my S1's. 17" tires are wider and wiegh pretty much the same as my 19" tires though your bringing it all closer to the hub...17's ftw

SSR TypeF
http://www.ssr-wheels.com/images/typef/silver_lrg.jpg


I havent wieghed the O.Z amg's but they felt very heavy when i picked them up...if the AMG mono's are anything to go by then they may be at the heaviest end of the scale on almost any 17/18 lol

[Pagz]

if looks arnt the case than the most cost effect performance wheel is definitly this one...if only the 17x8.5et30 didnt look like shit,this one is 9"+ with a nice flat spoke and alittle lip...

Maybe if i want perfomance i should just buy an evo and be done with it....haha...=(

http://www.gnvmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/Norwalk/V8HAHA_4.jpg

[c280nz]

those wheels look good on an evo but not so sure about on a 202. look at that typical evo more wings on it than an aeroplane, typical i say again. haha... yea exchange rate is o so damn low! but what sucks is both exporters and importers seem to be struggling :confused:

clutch is holding good, just needa get that bubble out.
came for a blat home tonight from town
:D <- that was me in the car
man i love boost:cool:

edit:
i hope u dont mind that i basically only talk off topic in your threads

[Pagz]

:D boost is good,definitly best from a turbo=),must be good to finally get that power to the ground!!
Awsome so whats next...fine tuning?? all good on the o.t think almost do it as much as you^^

Well...i had to do it,they cleared the brakes...i know there so evo but they were just so light...as light and even lighter than the fully forged Rays and SSR's at 1/4 the cost....so i got a set of RPF1'S and some Toyo tyres,225 front 255 rear just the mid range performance ones as i want them quite....pics soon...im not holding any breath tho not expecting anything in the looks department they just better be quite and make the car feel nimble again! =)...offsets are 35,with a 8/9" rim combo...so will sit alot further in that the S1's...may space them slightly one day.

[SLAMMED_C]

those evo wheels dont look half bad.. just need to see them on the W202 though! so you ended up getting them?!
wow.. 6-7K for 17's??????! what the flip?!
well as long as you save rotational weight.. then its all good.. thats a huge power killer.
so the 19's for sale now?!

[c280nz]

were did slammed get that cost figure from?
so you went with them ah, i said i wasnt sure so im holding out for a pic!
i beleive they will look good on the 202 tho because i have trust in your judgment..... well in car looks anyway, but i wouldnt trust u in piston choice :p
how longs the wait and whats the weight difference?
man ur things gona be like a rocket ship now! i ant so keen on 202 drags anymore ;) well not for pink slips anyway :)

[Pagz]

Thanks slammed...they will be ok...just ok i think....lol,they will be ALOT lighter though it will definitely perform!;)

I quoted those prices earlier in the thread from new zealands importer,its about right....the Rays wheels are around 750US each,thats 6K without shipping and tax's...SSR's are alittle cheaper but still around the 6 - 6.5K mark.


LOL logan...stop talking it up theres a 99% chance it will end like the pistons:D
It was effectively the simple process of elimination...
Cost,weight,size,brake clearance,8"/9" combo.
these were the only choice;)

Tried a front and rear on,the rear bolts hit the park brakes,damn.
the front clear the stoptech by about 5mm on top,and ~7mm infront....they look SMAAAAALLLLL haha.
Rubber arrives in the morning!.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580462_large.jpg

...do not comment on the look :p :p :p

[SLAMMED_C]

well they look decent.. gotta see them with the car though! they fit nicely around those massive calipers though.
they should be great improvements over the 19's! hell of a lot less rotating mass!

just grind the bolts down!!

[Pagz]

Yip had the bolts machined down to size ;)

After fitting today i must say im surprised at how much i like them....the whole car looks more mature...less ShOw PoNy..... i think It looks more like it means business,they could almost pass as stock rims=)...just my opinion though think i maybe over the "bling" days=)

Everything is better!!!
-Easy to start from a stand still
-much Smoother gear changes 1-2-3
-much better road feel,feedback
-less noise,smoother ride.
-WAY better lock
-feels much more stable when theres loss of traction.

Have not driven them too hard yet as its wet over here cant wait for some dryness =)


Work wheels ------------->New wheels
Front 49.3---------------->38.7lbs
Rear 50.8----------------->40lbs


So we have lost around 5Kg on all wheels and shifted the rest of the weight closer to the hub!.

Pics =)
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580463_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580464_large.jpg

hmmm Yeh Ross might sell the 19's ay hehe=)

[Pagz]

Pitty about the blue valve caps should have traded them for silver ones =P

Got the driveshaft safety catch made today for Cert,and also Fitted a Custom local made 600mm 4" stainless resonator glass packed after the Centre magnaflow muffler ,exhaust finally sounds awsome,all striaght through...smooth and very deep! =)


http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580465_large.jpg

[SLAMMED_C]

they look pretty decent Paul.. but small!! as long as they perform how you want.. then its all good.
not a bad looking wheel.
the blue caps help go with the blue theme under your hood.. with the hose couplers!
get some vids.. I wanna hear your exhaust!!. and that turbo spool!

[jnolte]

I like them, for your application they fit the car nicely. Car does look like it means business now, pretty intimidating.

[c280nz]

it looks like youve got 4 flat tires and those are your spares to get home!
nah doesnt look to bad... i guess.
man its a pain in the ass all the negative effects of larger lower profile tires, because all the things you say it improved on the car are the things id like to improve on my car, at the mo im rolling round on my ghay chrome 18s cos its way smoother, but im gona go back to the 19s the 18s wer my workshop rims.

next step lsd!
go over to mbworld theres a write up on a lsd over there, but its sortof hard to follow.

^it would go well round a track with those tires/rimss tho

[Pagz]

Ross,alittle small yes=) but it looks much better in the flesh!
After Taking her for a decent drive in the dry Yesterday there is without a doubt no reason i will ever go back to 19's on the 202...Vids definitely on the list of things to do;)...need to borrow a decent Vid cam!

Thanks Jnolt....the g/f thought it looked more "sophisticated"...and she would pic them over the S1 19's any day...i just agreed;)

lol logan,as usual so hard to please he he:p
Yep its all compromise and as you said if theres a noticable difference on your 18's imagine what 17's are like!....
its going to be great not having to worry so much about minor pot holes and road works etc!.
mmm Lsd=)...will look into it!,just need to grow another money tree....this ones dead:p
Track would be much better too,did a few roundabouts yesterday and the tendency to resist lifting under power is faaaaaaaaaaar better.


Want some cheap S1's? :p

[anf6789]

This is the only time in my life I have heard anyone say, "Woohoo just replaced my 19's with 17's and its Awesome" lol. Still looks great, much better than my stock 15's. I might be rolling on a set of 17inch Aero I's soon. Hopefully my lack of performance doesn't go down to much. haha

[Pagz]

Hehe

Going 15 - 17 shouldnt really decrease performace unless you go with a really heavy rim...it will most likely just give better handling with only a very minor derease in all other areas bar looks =)

Before you put your 17's on,wiegh the rims with and without tires,wiegh the stock 15's(rim+tire)...let me know the wieghts and how the 17's feel are compared to the 15's!,would be interesting to know =)



Cheers,
Paul

[Pagz]

Just some updated pics.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2943/3161/7356580469_large.jpg

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