tcles
11-17-2011, 05:55 PM
I have a '95 C36, the head gasket blew back in may and it was sitting all through the hot months in my carport because it was too hot during the end of spring and all of summer (temp never drops below mid 90s even in the middle of the night in Phoenix) Finally about a month and a half to two months ago I ordered the head gasket, and timing cover gasket and went to work. Got the head out, resurfaced and cleaned for just over $200 (even set the cams to TDC) scotch pad/ATF/MEK/Brillo cleaned off all gunk and rust in all the cyls till all were as smooth as a baby's bottom. placed the new head gasket and head on put everything back together correctly to my knowledge, another C36 owner who has extensive experience doing automotive work assisted most of the time. It cranks, no start. I checked the wiring, especially the part of the harness I cut out and reinforced before sauntering back in (the part where the ignition wires split from the harness before going under the cover, anyone with a highermilegae c36 knows what I mean) This part was working fine before, but I made sure to resolder the common ground going into the rest of the harness as the amount of solder holding the three grounds to the harness makes this a weaker junction. I replaced all the spark plugs, I replaced the air temp sensor and the camshaft position sensor, crank sensor tests on the ohm meter over 1k, all the ignition coils and the fuel injectors tested the same as each other on the ohm meter, so all those components seem to be fine, I replaced the fuel injector seals and timing belt. replaced both the metal seals for the chain tensioner because the old, damaged ones were causing a severe oil leak as this is a pressurized area for oil. Just got the camshaft sensor in the mail and got it to start for the second time ever since the head gasket and it quit after about 3 mins, and ran kinda hard, probably due to carb cleaner that I had been using to test to make sure the plugs were firing. The only other time it started was immediately after I replaced the air temp sensor and it ran for about 10-15 seconds and I cut it off due to rattling and the fact that I didn't expect a start so I wasn't sure everything was tightened down all the way. Both times it started the car had not been messed with in any way whatsoever for at least 24 hours (while I waited to obtain parts)
I'm pretty sure the fuel system is fine as it squirts a pretty healthy stream when you press the test valve on the rail, and the cyls reek of gas when you pull the plugs out as well as the exhaust after attempting cranks, and really the whole damn car seems to just reek of gas in general after messing with it for a bit. placed 3 gallons of premium fuel in there and the gas level showed maybe a gallon left or less before that, the fuel gauge now shows a quarter tank since I placed the gas in the car so I'm somewhat sure all the old gas has been pumped through and it's only trying to ignite new gas. My current attention is more on the ignition system still since I know it works since it does ignite carb cleaner, but it doesn't seem to be very consistent. Before I start tearing up the harness and finding someone to crank the car while I check to see if the plugs are firing (Randy hasn't been as available lately and it's hard to find anyone else to help out at all, not even untrained people to crank it while I check things :( bunch of haters I swear!)
I have also replaced the battery with a brand new one from napa, I have a battery charger, I'm about to put the battery on that again, but I don't think the battery being low is the problem.
The two times it has started have given me two leads that may or may not pan out that I want to exhaust before I start tearing up the ignition system:
1. Reeking gas smells indicate to me that the fuel system is fine, but could too much gas be the problem and the engine has been flooding. Both times it started the engine had not been messed with at all for at least 24 hours and it started quite easily on the first attempt to crank it, but never again afterwards. The first shut off being due to me cutting it off, and the second shut off was caused by the common ground coming undone, but I tried to crank it again without hearing firing again for a bit before I reached that conclusion and tore open the harness and repaired the junction again. Now it seems to be firing a little irregularly again but having more trouble then before, yet I'm almost certain this ground is secured better then it was when it started.
Could the engine be flooded with gas and that be the problem, if so what do you all suggest?
2. Both times it has started I had just replaced a sensor that had previously been completely busted showing absolutely no reading on an ohm meter, could the engine management system or ecu be acting up? once again your thoughts and comments on that.
I'm going to plug the battery into the charger and let it mellow for a bit unless randy can stop by in case the engine flooding is an issue. I'd really like to know if any of you think this is a possibility at all or is this idea ludicrous. I know randy pulled out the voltage relay in the engine management system's little compartment in the back passenger side and didn't say anything about it being bad so I think that is probably fine but do any of you think things point to there and if so what would I do to test it more thoroughly.
Your comments and ideas would be greatly appreciated, I have worked very hard on this head gasket replacement, especially since I've had to do most of it completely by myself, even broke an engine lift which now serves as a light stand for my work light. I've read up quite a bit from many sources including the WIS disc (not as much help as I was hoping for the c36 since it's NOT THERE so I kinda have to split between c280 and E320 info depending on whether the problem is part of the w202 or m104) and as far as I can tell I've really patched up everything I could think of or find info on. Once again the crank sensor is very easy to test on early c36's since it has a wire that runs all the way up topside and connects with one of the 1 pin connectors like the ignition coils, air temp sensor, and cam sensor that runs all the way into the management system's compartment, so it doesn't even need to come out to be tested, and tests very steadily over 1k, I know a lot of folks will immediately think that's the problem due to the nature of what has been happening, I'm about 95% sure it is not, I am pretty darn sure the engine shut off due to the common ground getting jiggled until the solder snapped, but now that I have melted most of the old solder off and reinforced it well (and I can hear some firing again) it isn't even getting close to starting.
Thanks in advance, here's the odometer, my goal is 500k! Go M104!https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-926LSFIOCfs/Trkc4pTK9fI/AAAAAAAAARQ/-y0_pOtkFXc/s640/IMG_20111108_050302.jpg
I'm pretty sure the fuel system is fine as it squirts a pretty healthy stream when you press the test valve on the rail, and the cyls reek of gas when you pull the plugs out as well as the exhaust after attempting cranks, and really the whole damn car seems to just reek of gas in general after messing with it for a bit. placed 3 gallons of premium fuel in there and the gas level showed maybe a gallon left or less before that, the fuel gauge now shows a quarter tank since I placed the gas in the car so I'm somewhat sure all the old gas has been pumped through and it's only trying to ignite new gas. My current attention is more on the ignition system still since I know it works since it does ignite carb cleaner, but it doesn't seem to be very consistent. Before I start tearing up the harness and finding someone to crank the car while I check to see if the plugs are firing (Randy hasn't been as available lately and it's hard to find anyone else to help out at all, not even untrained people to crank it while I check things :( bunch of haters I swear!)
I have also replaced the battery with a brand new one from napa, I have a battery charger, I'm about to put the battery on that again, but I don't think the battery being low is the problem.
The two times it has started have given me two leads that may or may not pan out that I want to exhaust before I start tearing up the ignition system:
1. Reeking gas smells indicate to me that the fuel system is fine, but could too much gas be the problem and the engine has been flooding. Both times it started the engine had not been messed with at all for at least 24 hours and it started quite easily on the first attempt to crank it, but never again afterwards. The first shut off being due to me cutting it off, and the second shut off was caused by the common ground coming undone, but I tried to crank it again without hearing firing again for a bit before I reached that conclusion and tore open the harness and repaired the junction again. Now it seems to be firing a little irregularly again but having more trouble then before, yet I'm almost certain this ground is secured better then it was when it started.
Could the engine be flooded with gas and that be the problem, if so what do you all suggest?
2. Both times it has started I had just replaced a sensor that had previously been completely busted showing absolutely no reading on an ohm meter, could the engine management system or ecu be acting up? once again your thoughts and comments on that.
I'm going to plug the battery into the charger and let it mellow for a bit unless randy can stop by in case the engine flooding is an issue. I'd really like to know if any of you think this is a possibility at all or is this idea ludicrous. I know randy pulled out the voltage relay in the engine management system's little compartment in the back passenger side and didn't say anything about it being bad so I think that is probably fine but do any of you think things point to there and if so what would I do to test it more thoroughly.
Your comments and ideas would be greatly appreciated, I have worked very hard on this head gasket replacement, especially since I've had to do most of it completely by myself, even broke an engine lift which now serves as a light stand for my work light. I've read up quite a bit from many sources including the WIS disc (not as much help as I was hoping for the c36 since it's NOT THERE so I kinda have to split between c280 and E320 info depending on whether the problem is part of the w202 or m104) and as far as I can tell I've really patched up everything I could think of or find info on. Once again the crank sensor is very easy to test on early c36's since it has a wire that runs all the way up topside and connects with one of the 1 pin connectors like the ignition coils, air temp sensor, and cam sensor that runs all the way into the management system's compartment, so it doesn't even need to come out to be tested, and tests very steadily over 1k, I know a lot of folks will immediately think that's the problem due to the nature of what has been happening, I'm about 95% sure it is not, I am pretty darn sure the engine shut off due to the common ground getting jiggled until the solder snapped, but now that I have melted most of the old solder off and reinforced it well (and I can hear some firing again) it isn't even getting close to starting.
Thanks in advance, here's the odometer, my goal is 500k! Go M104!https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-926LSFIOCfs/Trkc4pTK9fI/AAAAAAAAARQ/-y0_pOtkFXc/s640/IMG_20111108_050302.jpg