1998 Mercedes C230 (Non-Kompressor) Custom CAI using Spectre components. Not a ''short-ram''.

[Milenkogt]

Hey guys,

I'm Cory, just got validated to join the forum today.

I own a 1998 Mercedes C230 (non kompressor), 4spd auto. Green w/ tan leather.

204,000miles one owner, still gets 31mpg hwy lol.

MODS: NGK Iridium IX plugs, Mobil 1 0w-40 full syn, Custom 3in CAI

Here are some pictures.


Stage 1 of the CAI: 3in aluminum piping post MAF, into ''triangular'' hole in frame underneath factory airbox location, then a 6in pipe attached to filter. Filter is exposed to direct outside air with a ram air effect.

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The picture below shows the only opening where underhood air could be pulled into by the filter, but once moving the ram air effect through vent/grill takes over eliminating the underhood heat. However I plan on blocking the opening off with some ABS plastic or similar.
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2054-1.jpg

Here are 0-70mph and 0-90mph videos with the Stage 1 CAI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqyc3gQXfdg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UZlwrYkaxe0

Here are some pictures of the Stage 2 upgrade: Consists of adding 3in pipe from the throttle body to the Pre MAF section. I noticed it was louder but a lot more responsive compared to stage 1. No videos yet, coming soon though.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2065.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2066.jpg


Hope you all enjoyed, it was a cool project. Hardest part was getting the Spectre 90deg pipe trimmed to length to fit under the hood. Also, the breather/pcv system was a little tricky, but it all works!

[cameron_1292]

looks great man i have a 97 c230 with a k&n short ram. was wanting to do something cool with it and this inspired me lol i never thought to remove the actual whole intake piping to the throttle body. i dont think ive ever seen that but it looks cool and i assume it gives more air flow. and you said you did notice a sound and response difference from stage one to 2?

[Milenkogt]

Yeah until I did mine, I never saw anyone do the intake piping from the throtle body. It has def increased performance. The stock/factory 0-60mph is 10.5-10.6secs with 150hp/162tq flywheel. I have done some 0-60mph last night with the stage 2 and am running consistent 10.08sec, with one 9.9sec. So i dropped .5-.6sec off the fsctory 0-60 with this mod and on stock tuning. I plan on getting a K1 Motorsports/speed innovation tune. (Soldered Chip/reflash for 93 octane). The ECU/chip tune is worth on a stock engine 16hp/19tq claimed on K1 Motorsports ($299) I'm hoping that will put me around 170-175hp. Also I found a "tri-y" design longtube header on ebay for around $140$-175, claims of 10-15hp. Gonna get that and do a custome exhaust: remove the 3 cats and install one high flow, swap out factory resonator and rear muffler for a new resonator and either a magnaflow or borla muffler. My goal is to get into the 7s in 0-60mph. Basically being as quick as a stock C230 Kompressor.

I need help finding a custom set of camshafts with valvesprings & retainers, larger throttle body, and a larger MAF (if needed).


I know most people will say just buy a different W202 platform, but I love this car and it gets 32mpg hwy still.

I also read the M111 engine is pretty stout internals wise and can withstand up to 1.25 bar of boost pressure, that's around 17-18psi.

I eventually want to turbo my C230 using a garrett gt2876r or gt3076r, with external wastegate and a log style manifold for simplicity and relaibilty. I can install everything, however the biggest issue I've run into is how to tune these cars.

Does anyonw know what tuning software to use on stock ECU for forced induction, I don't want to use a standalone.

I read in a eurtuner magazine this guy had a 1996 C230 turbo using a HKS turbo. It was black with a C36 amg body kit, had larger injectors and as far as tuning the only thing mentioned was the use of a 3in MAF and dynowork done by Joe Solty/Turbo Joe. He made 9psi and 300whp, that's around what I want probably 250-275whp just very responsive. Any help on how to tune my C230 would be great.


Lastly, I have the 5-tronic, I think.( its PRND4321). I read that this transmission is "sealed" from factory so u can't do a fluid change say at home, but mine has a fill tube on passenger side rear of engine and firewall with a red plastic piece. Although there is no dipstick inside. Anyway, I read the 5-tronic is very strong capable of 796ftlbs torque holding. So does anyone know if a shiftkit or TCU tuning is available to increase line pressures, shift points. Also what is stock stall, anything aftermarket that is higher?

[zmatt]

You are on the the money for the turbo. You can do much more than 9psi and still not have lag. 15-16psi on pump gas isn't hard and the motor is one stout SOB. Replacement motors are also about $800 on ebay so no sweat if you blow it. The stock ecu will have to be chip tuned, as in removed the chip physically to reprogram it, that's a pain in the ass and dyno tuning becomes difficult with that and it wont be a very good tune. Not to mention the stock ecu isn't setup for a turbo. You will want a stand along ecu, if you are going for bargain build then a Megasquirt can suffice, but a Haltech or AEM will be easier to work with and be better supported.

The 5G is a very strong tranny. I know that the Haltech can control it (it supports torque converter lock to make it a true manu-matic) and they have made it work with chryslers that have it equipped. If you cream it you can get one at a junkyard for cheap and Renntech offers a program to beef them up if its an issue. the general consensus is its not worth it to replace the 5G with the manual if you are in the states as the manual must be bought from overseas and you will need to install the clutch kit, the slave cylinders etc etc. I recommend staying with the 5g as stock, retuning if you go haltech. If you cream it then look into a conversion. It has been done and isn't that difficult as the car is made for it, just tedious.

if I were you I would avoid spending the money on the headers, intake etc beyond what you have if you are set on a turbo. Small gains from an ebay header aren't worth wasting the cash you can better use by saving for the turbo. A well done turbo conversion will be a few grand but well worth it. I would try to find a wrecked C230K or SLK230K, your NA motor is a 10.4:1 compression as opposed to the 8.something compression of the compressor motor. The high compression will limit how much boost you can run. Find a wrecked car and either use that motor (it will bolt up exactly the same) or take the pistons, rods and crank from it. If you just build the other motor it gives you the benefit of driving your car while you build it, which could take time as you find parts and funds. Swapping in the new motor would only take a weekend at the most.

Paul's cardomain (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/735658/1997-mercedes-benz-c-class) page will give you a good idea of what goes into a turbo conversion on an M111 and the results.

[cameron_1292]

Yeah until I did mine, I never saw anyone do the intake piping from the throtle body. It has def increased performance. The stock/factory 0-60mph is 10.5-10.6secs with 150hp/162tq flywheel. I have done some 0-60mph last night with the stage 2 and am running consistent 10.08sec, with one 9.9sec. So i dropped .5-.6sec off the fsctory 0-60 with this mod and on stock tuning. I plan on getting a K1 Motorsports/speed innovation tune. (Soldered Chip/reflash for 93 octane). The ECU/chip tune is worth on a stock engine 16hp/19tq claimed on K1 Motorsports ($299) I'm hoping that will put me around 170-175hp. Also I found a "tri-y" design longtube header on ebay for around $140$-175, claims of 10-15hp. Gonna get that and do a custome exhaust: remove the 3 cats and install one high flow, swap out factory resonator and rear muffler for a new resonator and either a magnaflow or borla muffler. My goal is to get into the 7s in 0-60mph. Basically being as quick as a stock C230 Kompressor.

I need help finding a custom set of camshafts with valvesprings & retainers, larger throttle body, and a larger MAF (if needed).


I know most people will say just buy a different W202 platform, but I love this car and it gets 32mpg hwy still.

I also read the M111 engine is pretty stout internals wise and can withstand up to 1.25 bar of boost pressure, that's around 17-18psi.

I eventually want to turbo my C230 using a garrett gt2876r or gt3076r, with external wastegate and a log style manifold for simplicity and relaibilty. I can install everything, however the biggest issue I've run into is how to tune these cars.

Does anyonw know what tuning software to use on stock ECU for forced induction, I don't want to use a standalone.

I read in a eurtuner magazine this guy had a 1996 C230 turbo using a HKS turbo. It was black with a C36 amg body kit, had larger injectors and as far as tuning the only thing mentioned was the use of a 3in MAF and dynowork done by Joe Solty/Turbo Joe. He made 9psi and 300whp, that's around what I want probably 250-275whp just very responsive. Any help on how to tune my C230 would be great.


Lastly, I have the 5-tronic, I think.( its PRND4321). I read that this transmission is "sealed" from factory so u can't do a fluid change say at home, but mine has a fill tube on passenger side rear of engine and firewall with a red plastic piece. Although there is no dipstick inside. Anyway, I read the 5-tronic is very strong capable of 796ftlbs torque holding. So does anyone know if a shiftkit or TCU tuning is available to increase line pressures, shift points. Also what is stock stall, anything aftermarket that is higher?

im trying to think if removing the whole intake system is safe lol. did you get any check engine lights? and do you think it was just a placebo or you really got gains? because ive wanted to do that but i feel like just adding metal piping wont make a difference. i love the way it looks though lol. appreciate the information though if you say it helps ill trust you and go for it haha

[zmatt]

his intake definitely gave him at least a few horsepower. the stock intakes on all the models are pretty restrictive.

[Nine Four One]

Nice work...i have a cheap intzke setup from the previous owner...actually embarrassed to take under hood pics. Iam not crazy about the added noise considering how slow the car is. An after trading this car for a fairly fast an loud b16 civic I opted to find a stock airbox for 75 bucks. Yours looks ten times nicer lol glad to see another florida member too. An mooooooaaaaar pics of the car I like that green alot

[cameron_1292]

his intake definitely gave him at least a few horsepower. the stock intakes on all the models are pretty restrictive.

well now i know what my project is tomorrow haha the only piping i know of is spectre that they have at like autozone and stuff

[SD202]

where did you get the piping would be interested in trying this for my M104. Have you thought about heat wrapping the tubing to protect it from the exhaust heat coming up from the headers since its metal and not plastic anymore. Stands the chance it would hold more heat than the old plastic box and tubing.

[Milenkogt]

Wow, awesome replies guys, thanks Zmatt about the turbo info. I was planning on just buying a second engine (M111 Kompressor) and just replace with OEM rods w/ ARP bolts and some JE or Mahle forged pistons. Basically just a refresh, probably skip the headwork as far as porting and cams...just replace lifters and add better valvesprings.

Yeah I figured i was gonna hear that hte stock ECU is crappy lol, I would go with HALTECH over any other standalone, just personal preference. I'm just not good at making the adapter/loom harness, that I would need someone to do for me and I would def pay well for it to be plug and play.

Yeah I have my heart set on a GT3076, with custom log style manifold(reliable N cheap), swain tech coated, Tial WG and BOV. etc etc...

Injectors, i'm not sure about which ones to go with. We have 93 octane so whatever safe limit on pump gas would be, no race fuel or methanol injection.

Like I was saying, a goal of 275rwhp would be plenty, which is roughly 325hp flywheel using 15% driveline loss.

Uber responsive and fun to drive, while getting 30mpg!



I'm happy you guys are all taken by my CAI setup lol, I bought everything from advance auto parts and auto zone, no special orders. The only plastic piping is the 90deg bend and the 6in tube that is connected to the filter.

I used two spectre metal intake pipes that you commonly see in autozone or advance, they have two version, the metal and plastic one. Metal is better, i'm afraid the plastic would cook and break.

Imo i like the intake sound, its not that loud for my taste, i mean its not like VTEC loud at all... meaning the Merc Benz doesn't sound like a Cow in heat lol.

I had to have picked up some power, not sure how much but I know the stock 0-60mph is 10.5sec and I been running consistent 10.08-10.1, with one 9.96.

And nope, no check engine lights at all. Just make sure the MAF stays clocked the same way and closest to same position as factory location, MAF sensors are sensitive to moving. For example I tried running my intake pipe and maf on the drivers side and the dang electric engine fan came on full blast and the engine was cold, first startup all day... weird...

As for the heat wrapping intake pipe vs plastic etc... the way I look at it, is the outside air is cooler and is moving so quick that I doubt it has time to be heat soaked by the intake piping. Plus I would think the thermal tape wouldn't be beneficial since even though your block heat from the header, all the heat is still trapped under the hood. just my .02
Custom heat extractors in the rear of the hood would be helpful.



The ebay header, exhaust and tune, is still up in the air. I really want to try the header and atleast a muffler, the M111 has a nice sound to it uncorked, unlike some other 4 cylinders. It sounds like a KA24DE Nissan 240sx engine, which btw is my fav sound 4 cylinder b/c its naturally deep sounding and not ping-pang sounding (hondas).

I've read that the Chip tuning should be the last thing to do, and still at 300 bucks, thats the header and muffler there and I know those will add power just be removing the factory log manifold and 5 exhaust mufflers/cats/resonators...

The Ecu has been doing a good job of compensating without an ECU reset so far, i'm still getting great mileage.

BTW, how do I do a complete ECU reset to erase learned fuel trims on this C230 of mine?

Thanks again guys, glad to be apart of the boards. I will get some more pics of my Green 230 soon.

Wheels and Window tint coming soon though!

[Mike51809]

What headers are you looking at on ebay?

[Nine Four One]

I know from being in the honda click there were tons of meets an such havent been to anything euro but if so id like to check this out in person. An again moar pic lol

[MikeD]

Needless to say, I will be stopping by my local advance auto on Monday to see if I can work this out on the m104. Can't be over $150 in the end.

[Milenkogt]

Here is the ebay header i'm looking at. Looks like a tri y design.

http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/12001100/images/reghd-mbcc9405.jpg

http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/12001100/images/reghd-mbcc94052.jpg

Generic Stainless Steel Made Header for Mercedes-Benz C Class C220 C230 W202 W203 94 95 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04 05


Generic Headers are Made with T-304 Stainless Steel, Mandrel Bent Tubing, with CNC Machined Flanges. Each Set is Tested and Dynoed to Make Sure the Fitment and Performance to Meet our Goal.

Spec & Features:

T-304 Stainless Steel with Polish Finish
Gain More performance Due to More Air Flow
3 Stage Polish Shine Like a Mirror
Increase 10-16 Horse Power and Torque
Direct Bolt-On Installation
Detail- Inlet/ Outlet :

4-2-1 1pc Header
1.75" / 2.25"
O2 Sensor Hole? : 1(One)

Fit Following Make/Year/Model:

Mercedes-Benz C Class C220 C230 W202 W203 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 C220 C230/ C230 Kompressor
Engine type: 2.2L/2.3L L4- 4 Cylinder
Special Note: Also Fit SLK230/SLK230 Kompressor 98-04. (Not fit C-Class C280 V6)

SKU : REGHD-MBCC9405

I say for $135 to $170, stainless steel, not to bad, just hope the flange is ''true'' and won't have any leaking issues.

I've seen this design on Club202 somewhere but it was ''used'' and i think it was a supersprint version.

I eventually gonna order this header and try it out, I know one listing is going on for another 28 days.

I will get more pictures of the green beenz.



So, guys have I apparently designed something that hasn't been done before on the W202 M111 engine? Kinda feel like i've invented something revolutionary haha...JK.. i'm just a 24yo with a ''gear'' head.

I do plan on pulling the trigger on the ebay header, custom exhaust and eventually a chip tune (last).

I just want to see what gains can be made, not to mention I enjoy the install and documentation, and to help people.

[zmatt]

Something new? Not really. Few people tune the NA 230 though as the 280 and 230K are better places to start.



Wow, awesome replies guys, thanks Zmatt about the turbo info. I was planning on just buying a second engine (M111 Kompressor) and just replace with OEM rods w/ ARP bolts and some JE or Mahle forged pistons. Basically just a refresh, probably skip the headwork as far as porting and cams...just replace lifters and add better valvesprings.

Yeah I figured i was gonna hear that hte stock ECU is crappy lol, I would go with HALTECH over any other standalone, just personal preference. I'm just not good at making the adapter/loom harness, that I would need someone to do for me and I would def pay well for it to be plug and play.

Yeah I have my heart set on a GT3076, with custom log style manifold(reliable N cheap), swain tech coated, Tial WG and BOV. etc etc...

Injectors, i'm not sure about which ones to go with. We have 93 octane so whatever safe limit on pump gas would be, no race fuel or methanol injection.

Like I was saying, a goal of 275rwhp would be plenty, which is roughly 325hp flywheel using 15% driveline loss.

Uber responsive and fun to drive, while getting 30mpg!


It doesn't quite work that way. You wont get 30mpg with boost. The only way you will manage that is if you tune it so boost only kicks in at high revs, or if you use an ECU with multiple maps. The first will give you all top end and turbo lag which wont be good, the other means you will have to get a standalone which I recommend anyways. Also low boost will be inefficient on a GT30. If you only want 275whp you may want a GT28. Garrett recommends the GT3076R for 310hp applications and up. I don't see the point in that low power anyways, congrats you spent more money than the cost of a C36 to go as fast as a C36. Go big or go home dude. If you aren't out running a C43 it isn't worth it. I'll say that up front.

[Milenkogt]

If you all could help me with these following questions..

1. K1 Motorsports (link to their site is down at the moment) I called them the other day and said they don't do the ''Chip Tuning" the ECU, once sent is shipped to a tuner in Canada. Anyone know who tuning company thats outsourced thru K1 Motorpsorts this might be?
-The claimed HP/TQ gain for 93 octane was 16hp/19tq (est 14rwhp/16rwtq) all for $299

2. Chip tuning companies: Who are some other reputable companies that tune the W202 C230 non Kompressor that cost less than $500.

Also, is there a ''Tuner kit'' that you can buy that has a datalog cable and software to tune you're own ECU?

3.Custom camshafts, valvesprings and cylinder headwork: Anyone have some input on this.

4. Interchangeable parts: Such as larger diameter throttle bodies from the C43 AMG and C36 AMG.... MAF meters, rear differential ring and pinion. etc etc...


thanks guys

[zmatt]

Upsolute will do chiptuning for $350. Its legit but again the stock ecu isn't all that capable so I would recommend a standalone for the turbo.

I posted the specs to the discontinued schrick cams for the supercharged M111 motor. the wont do you much good though. I would contact a custom cam shop and see what they have to say. I have heard good things about Elgin cams (http://www.elgincams.com/) they will regrind your cams to spec. What you will need is flow bench data on the cylinder head and what exactly you want them to do. They can work out the rest. getting some more revs out of the motor isn't a bad idea, 6500rpm redline would be a good target. You also have to let them know it will be a turbo.

There really isn't anything off the AMGs you need....The diffs are nothing special and you are better off with an off the shelf throttle body if you want to go big. The AMG ones wont mount to the stock intake manifold and i recommend having a plenum with individual runners made instead anyways

http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss217/SLAMMED_C/W202%20C23K%20Project%20Car/DSC_0089.jpg

Check out Slammed's engine, it's a beautiful example of what I am talking about. he decided to stick with the stock drive by wire throttle. It's up to you whether you want a bigger one.

The LSD form a 190e cosworth will fit our housings no problem, but good luck finding one. The cars are uncommon and its a dick move to pull the LSD from a perfectly good cossie.

[Mike51809]

I saw those on ebay too but they look to flow weird to me... I'm intrested to see if it actually helps or not.

[zmatt]

A lot of times space constraints keep you form making an idea header design. its one of the reasons (the other being ease of fabrication) log type manifolds are so common on turbos. They aren't all that efficient with pulse and heat distribution but they can fit in most cases and are easily made.

for reference here is a set of real supersprint headers
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg260/scaled.php?server=260&filename=headercompleted3oh9.jpg&res=medium

overpriced as they are you can bet its a quality product.

[Mike51809]

Man I wish I had the money for those... I have a link to them in my favorites lol I wish I could convince my woman to let me take out like a 10 thousand dollar loan to complete my bucket list lol

[zmatt]

They aren't worth the price. The cost of supersprint headers would get you a turbo manifold a a bunch of the piping and the intercooler for your turbo. They are $1100 right now. A turbo manifold is about $500 give or take, the intercooler is probably $200 for a nice one, $150 for the piping you could also grab your BOV while you are at it.

[Mike51809]

That's true, or just get custom ones made too lol I'd buy a supercharger I think maybe, I love the whine of them. In florida I'll have a better chance with fab n tuning and maybe some members to help out lol

[zmatt]

True that. Most mecerdes parts are over priced you can do better with a competent fabricator.

[Milenkogt]

Would a Vortech FMU be ok to use with stock injectors ecu for 6psi or so until was able to get a Standalone ecu?

The most expensive part of all this would be the ECU, the rest of the components I will be doing the install and some fabrication (short of the manifold).

Who on here would be able to make a harness/loom for a standalone ecu. Also what standalone ECU do you guys recommend for the C230?

I hate wiring, but would do it if i could find the wiring diagrams. Plus I would push for HALTECH they have a new ''self learning'' AFR setup and a lot of other neat options avail with their standalones.

A c36 amg would be awesome to own, but i've seen those going for around 10,000 on ebay. I can put a turbo setup together for less than half that, especially doing the work myself.

I don't really care if its faster than a C43, or C36. At 275-300whp and a 3250lb curb weight i'm already lighter and 45rwhp more than a stock C36 (at 275rwhp). A low to mid 6.0sec 0-60 and mid to high 13 quarter mile would be just fine for a daily driver imo, until I had a rebuilt engine, transmission and suspension. At that point I would buy a different platform most likely a C280 manual.

A GT28RS would be very responsive and plenty of power, a GT3071R is another option but i'll cross that bridge when the time comes for turbo choosing.

I was looking at possibly fabbing up a mounting bracket for a Vortech V3 SCI-trim used on imports like the S2000, good for small displacement vehicles.

But a turbosetup has been done already and there is support/knowledge on the board going this route.

Sucks my engine is the 10.4:1 compression, so about all I can do with it is use it as a ''Jig", unless I wanna run less than 5psi... even then... I dunno.

I'm wondering if UPSOLUTE could tune for a low boost turbo setup (a basic map to make some datalog runs), I'd have to buy a wideband setup and data log for them to fine tune it.


There was a black w202 C230K in a euro tuner magazine, said that he had changed to a bigger 3in maf, and an FMU, larger injectors and that was all for tuning. He was pushing 9psi, this car had a full C36 amg body kit. Thats all I remember reading about it.

[Milenkogt]

Does anyone have any flow bench data on the NA and supercharged M111, and are they bucket or rocker arm type? Is there any data sheets showing engine/cylinder head specifications such as valve diameter, rod length, dynamic/static compression,bore stroke, stock cam duration lift @.050,centerline, also...

The transmission, what is the stock stall speed/rpm on these cars.

I know Import Performance Transmissions offers a Valvebody upgrade for $589 and a torque converter $800, wow. But I dunno about all that, the valve body would be nice if its accessible under the tranny pan. But i'd probaby rather buy another used transmission and have it serviced.

These are for the 722.6, WA5A580/ NAG 1

[zmatt]

Would a Vortech FMU be ok to use with stock injectors ecu for 6psi or so until was able to get a Standalone ecu?

I wouldn't. instead of buying a cheaper short term solution, just be patient and save up so you can do it right the first time.


The most expensive part of all this would be the ECU, the rest of the components I will be doing the install and some fabrication (short of the manifold).

Who on here would be able to make a harness/loom for a standalone ecu. Also what standalone ECU do you guys recommend for the C230?

I hate wiring, but would do it if i could find the wiring diagrams. Plus I would push for HALTECH they have a new ''self learning'' AFR setup and a lot of other neat options avail with their standalones.

The Haltech I will be getting soon was quoted at $2080 installed tuned and on the road. What you will end up using is a flying loom harness because they don't make a plug n' play for our cars. Any reputable tuning shop that supports Haltech should be able to do the installation for you.



I'm wondering if UPSOLUTE could tune for a low boost turbo setup (a basic map to make some datalog runs), I'd have to buy a wideband setup and data log for them to fine tune it.


In theory but I don't know how good it will be.


I was looking at possibly fabbing up a mounting bracket for a Vortech V3 SCI-trim used on imports like the S2000, good for small displacement vehicles.

Nobody has ever done that, vortechs are pretty awesome. You could be the first to try.


There was a black w202 C230K in a euro tuner magazine, said that he had changed to a bigger 3in maf, and an FMU, larger injectors and that was all for tuning. He was pushing 9psi, this car had a full C36 amg body kit. Thats all I remember reading about it.

I believe you are referring to this (http://www.eurotuner.com/featuredvehicles/160_0609_et_1996_mercedes_benz_c220_turbo/index.html) its a C220 which explains the 9psi. From here it looks like a well executed budget turbo build.

[Milenkogt]

So how did that guy with the black turbo C220 get his car to run right on stock ECU with what bigger injectors and which 3in MAF? That would simplify everything, but doesn't seem like that's all was done, he would've had to have some type of chip tuning to control igniton timing right? Someone enlighten me on this and the parts he used to get the turbo setup worked?

The vortech idea wouldn't be tooo difficult aside from making a mounting bracket somehow to fit on the front of the engine, there is plenty of space on the passenger side for mounting and maybe do a water to air cooler on drivers side with heat exchanger up front on lower grill.

What injectors are u guys running to support 300rwhp without gettin too hgh of a duty cycle? A walbro 255 or equivalent pump too?

[zmatt]

I have a 3inch maf on the stock ecu and it works fine. The stock ecu can be reprogrammed, that isn't the issue. The issue is the stock isn't all that great. To tune it you have to pull the rom form the ecu instead of flashing through the OBDII port, there is no support for extra functions such as launch control, there is no room or a way to switch between a power map and an economy map and the tune itself wont be all that great. He is likely missing out on a lot of horsepower and mpg because of it. It can be made to work but I would only do it if you absolutely don't have the money for a standalone


Also Renntech (http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/210) does transmission strengthening as well and its cheaper. They are pretty much the gold standard for aftermarket mercedes parts. If only they supported our cars.

A walbro 255 is a good fuel pump, Paul runs Evo injectors on his car, not sure what slammed uses.


Also don't forget about pulley for the vortech, the stock crank pulley is likely not the right size for the boost you want and it the pulleys likely have a different width belt they use.

[cameron_1292]

Hey guys,

I'm Cory, just got validated to join the forum today.

I own a 1998 Mercedes C230 (non kompressor), 4spd auto. Green w/ tan leather.

204,000miles one owner, still gets 31mpg hwy lol.

MODS: NGK Iridium IX plugs, Mobil 1 0w-40 full syn, Custom 3in CAI

Here are some pictures.


Stage 1 of the CAI: 3in aluminum piping post MAF, into ''triangular'' hole in frame underneath factory airbox location, then a 6in pipe attached to filter. Filter is exposed to direct outside air with a ram air effect.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2047-1.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2048-1.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2049-1.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2052-1.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2051-1.jpg


The picture below shows the only opening where underhood air could be pulled into by the filter, but once moving the ram air effect through vent/grill takes over eliminating the underhood heat. However I plan on blocking the opening off with some ABS plastic or similar.
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2054-1.jpg

Here are 0-70mph and 0-90mph videos with the Stage 1 CAI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqyc3gQXfdg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UZlwrYkaxe0

Here are some pictures of the Stage 2 upgrade: Consists of adding 3in pipe from the throttle body to the Pre MAF section. I noticed it was louder but a lot more responsive compared to stage 1. No videos yet, coming soon though.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2065.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2066.jpg


Hope you all enjoyed, it was a cool project. Hardest part was getting the Spectre 90deg pipe trimmed to length to fit under the hood. Also, the breather/pcv system was a little tricky, but it all works!

gonna be doing this this week can you let me in on what size piping you got and any modifications to them thanks!

[zmatt]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j185/mbwhite/IMG_20111208_171113.jpg


here is my custom MAF housing btw.

[MikeD]

Looking at the Spectre componenets, I see that they make a MAF aluminum housing for about $30. Still working on all the measurements to try this out on the m104.

[Milenkogt]

I like that maf housing Zmatt is using, that would make my intake setup a true 3in all the way thru, as u all can see in my design i had to retain the stock MAF meter so its 3in to 2.5 or 2.75 maf housing back to 3in down to the small azz TB which is fine for a 4 cylinder CFM wise.

Zmatt what 3in MAF are you using is it off the Kompressor or another W202 model. If I were to get this 3in MAF would I have to have my ECU retuned/chipped for this or would it be a plug n play affair?

Btw I did the ECU reset for adaptive throttle and trans learning and just went out and ran a 0-60 (first run) manual shifting in 9.8secs followed by a 9.9 in "D" (drive), the stock is 10.5 so a 9.8 with everything stock and 204,000 miles with my CAI isn't too bad, thats a .7tenths drop, say .6 tenths, but still thats not bad at all imo.

It is gonna be a while before I do the turbo setup, b/c the valid point of getting a lower compression 8.8:1 Kompressor engine would have to be bought first and foremost...so the point is I am gonna try all these NA mods first and report gains etc.

Def gonna buy the Ebay header, worst it can do is the flange not be flush and it leak or a exhaust head stud could break off :( hope not... do this coupled with a custom 2-1/4in exhaust hopefully should drop another .5sec if i'm lucky.

Then try the UPSOLUTE chip for 93 octane, claims of 15hp/16tq or so....Header is 10-15hp, exhaust maybe 7-10hp. So maybe getting 25 to 30hp out of the rest of these mods would be great. Won't be a rocket ship but I would atleast like to find out what it can do and drive it until I get the kompressor engine.

I forgot to tell you guys tho, I do own a 2008.5 Nissan Titan crew cab that is currently awaiting a new mod finally developed for the Titan. It is a 90mm LS7 Throttle body, with an adapter plate to our stock manifold.

This is my Titan,
MODS:UPREV 93 Tune with Line Pressure Mod.
-Relentless RPM 4in Cold Air Intake w/ ram air. & TB Bypass Mod
-Doug Thorley (longtube) Headers & NO CATS
-Dual 2.25 piping into Magnaflow X-pipe into:
*Dual Magnaflow Magnapacks
*Dual Flowmaster 40s
*Dual APEXi (Japan) Resonators w/ 3in dumps.
-PML Trans Pan, Transgo shift kit, Long SR4588 Trans Cooler
-2005 Titan rear axle,Detroit TruTrac w/ 3.36 gears
-NFABWORKS Traction BARS by CNALLICK
-20x10 KMC XD Rockstars
-Cooper Zeon LTZ 305/50/20
340rwhp/370rwtq on a dynojet. 0-60 5.6sec, bout to get a new tune with the new 90mm TB, stock TB size is 75, intakemanfold inlet is 78mm. This mod is supposed to be good for atleast .3-.4tenths 0-60 reduction. Will post more once its installed and tuned.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN1850.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN1813.jpg


So this is taking up most of my time for mods, such as new brakes are up next along with new CSF aluminum radiator and a set of JimWolf Technology Cams (32valve 4 cam engine) good for 35-40rwhp after tuning.

The benz is my daily driver to work.

Thanks again guys.

[zmatt]

The MAF housing is custom. We looked into using a prefabbed one but they were too expensive so we just made it ourselves. The MAF itself is a stock unit, infact all bosch mafs are the same the difference is the size of the housing, so we just made the new housing and put the old sensor in. Works perfect. The thing you must be sure of is that the sensor is right in the middle of the pipe so it reads correctly. Right now it does get smaller into the TB piping, but the long term plan would be to do a plenum with individual runners and a larger TB.

[Milenkogt]

Zmatt how much would it cost to make that custom 3in maf housing but only about. 6in long just enough to put a spectre coupling on each end? Who do I call? DIMartino fabrication?

[zmatt]

If you don't mind shipping you could call andrew and have it done. he is a local fabricator and a friend of mine. he does all my work. I'm in Kentucky. If you do call him say that matt with the mercedes sent you.

[Milenkogt]

Well I had to update my cold air intake kit temporarily, The filter was getting to wet under heavy down pour and I didn't have a bypass valve...

So I retained the piping from the throttle body to the MAF and put back in the stock air box and opened up the factory ram air inlet behind the grill.

I plan on running the cone filter inside the factory air box and running a ram air from the lower grill to the bottom side of the factory air box, should get similar results.

Here are some pictures...

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2083.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2084.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2085.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2086.jpg

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o349/milenkogt/DSCN2088.jpg



Will update again, when I get the cone filter mounted and enclosed the factory air box so it appears stock lol, but still has a ''intake'' sound and gets outside cool ''ram air'' from the lower grill area...

I'm looking forward to making this work.

[Layzieflex]

How do I get exact cai? cxxadele@gmail.com