Need advice how to fix this

[benz4life]

Last night was raining and did a 360 hitting the curve with the rear wheel. The result is more than a damaged rim. The wheel sits in a 10 degree angle, I can notice that the rear right side is lowered, even if tire is not flat. I made is home slow even if I noticed the grinding sound (of a bearing?). I don't think I can drive it like this to a shop, would cause more damage.
Where do I start to fix this and what would you estimate the cost? I assume there are a few parts that need to be replace, not familiar with the suspension system at all, should I try to fix it by myself? I don't even know what parts to order.

[W202FTW]

Oh boy. By the very least, it could be a blow shock, bad spring, bent sway bar and a cracked control arm but my guess is as good as anyone's. A picture will help.

[wichipong]

pics would surely help... but it could be suspension related..

[taz069]

Man a pic would be awsome!! Alot of thigns could be broke to give a 10 degree +/- angle!! Trust me The folks in here can give a ton of help!!! It sounds rough!! Alot of things can be broken!! Is the drive shaft broke? Is the independant suspension broke?? Is the shock broke?? Is the independant suspensions arms broke?? Alot of If's! If you can post some more info I'll pour all the info to ya I can. Just A little more info please!! Hope to hear soon!

[benz4life]

Was gonna jack the car yesterday but the jack lost the hydraulic fluid, so I lost a day... I was finality able to get some pictures:
http://i.imgur.com/wdc9Fl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CaoeRl.jpg
^this arm should be straight .. its almost 90 degrees! OMG !!
http://i.imgur.com/W2mKQl.jpg

The leak is water collected in the engine splash guard after rain

http://i.imgur.com/b8UTOl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TXYKUl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SVejul.jpg

The guy who fixed my transmission a couple months ago told me to tow the car to his shop ($80) so he can evaluate better the damage.
The only way I can save money is have him fix it if he would allow me to shop online for the parts so I don't pay the full price for parts at dealership. I don't think I am able to fix it by myself. Its my first car, love it, worth $2K on KBB , I am aware that I can spend another 2K to fix this.. the other option is to give it to a junk yard :( I would cry. Just fixed the front bumper a week ago.

http://i.imgur.com/iwJgsl.jpg

[taz069]

My guess in parts prices from pic and pull would be between 250-500 dollars at the most!! If you got some metric wrenchs' and sockets I don't see why you could not remove the broke parts and replace them yourself. If an entire engine goes for 350$ suspension parts are less. Just find a scrapped 202 and pull the parts yourself and save some cash and get some more hands on!

[benz4life]

i been to a couple junkyards in south florida, an year ago, couldn't find any w202 that time in their yards. I just called the towing guy :/ I would have a hard time fixing this by myself, plus could be more parts involved than we can see in the pics. I order 3 for example, start working on it, than I would realize that i need 2-3 more, wait again for shipping. Would be without a car a long time. Now, I have to cross my fingers and see what the shop will say. Will keep you posted , thanks . Being on a budget, the advice that I would still need , is at what point do I say YES to the shop, and where do I say RIP to my car, calling a junkyard. Will see how much time I have to decide at the shop.

[taz069]

At what point? Check the blue book value on the car. If the bb says car value is 3,800$ then invest 500-800$. On a 2,000$ purchase with 500-800 investment. Total of 2,800 / 3,000$. You can still turn a profit if you decide to sell.

[benz4life]

At what point? Check the blue book value on the car. If the bb says car value is 3,800$ then invest 500-800$. On a 2,000$ purchase with 500-800 investment. Total of 2,800 / 3,000$. You can still turn a profit if you decide to sell.

KBB is $2150 for fair condition, $2750 for good condition ('97 c230 w/ 235000miles) .
We counted like 5-6 parts that needs to be replaced, a few of them might be able to be straighten out. Tomorrow morning he will take the parts out and we will know exactly. He will tell me how much the parts cost, if he has to order them from his supplier, and give me the parts numbers for me to check the prices online in case I want to get them online if the prices will be much cheaper. The towing guy said he would give me 4-500 for the car - as it is .

[taz069]

Don't you dare give it to any body for that price!!!!!!! Dude it's paid for!!! If the mechanic will let you find the parts we all can help locate some items!!
South Florida ok!! Will search fir the parts you need tell what is needed!!!! Don't throw your cash out the window! !!! You have a reliable car one of the best!!!! Unless you gonna upgrade then the dealer will give you more than that driver!!!!!

[taz069]

When he takes them off say I want them put back on!! You could at least drive it!!!! Your killing me!!

[benz4life]

Don't you dare give it to any body for that price!!!!!!! Dude it's paid for!!! If the mechanic will let you find the parts we all can help locate some items!!
South Florida ok!! Will search fir the parts you need tell what is needed!!!! Don't throw your cash out the window! !!! You have a reliable car one of the best!!!! Unless you gonna upgrade then the dealer will give you more than that driver!!!!!

Thanks for support, its my 1st car and own it since 2006, will not give it up easy. Will post tomorrow the parts.

[taz069]

Bud just posted in the boka. Room calling for all! Please have a little patience this room has been the best for me and the reviving of my 96 c280! Helped me thru a head gasket change and a ton of other things! Got a thread in performance check it out. C280 head work! Hang tight ! That repairman sees $$$$ cause it a merc! And tell the driver to f off!! You can make more if you decide to upgrade!!

[taz069]

I live in the Florida panhandle! ! There are 2 202 bodies in panama city pic and pull! ! I've pulled parts off if and never touched the rear ends! All 's their!!
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[taz069]

And they are on line!! Check inventory!

[taz069]

Matter if fact there are more Mercedes in miamia than you can shake a stick at!! Their gotta be a to n of yards their!!

[benz4life]

thanks, I just checked , looks nice, but Panama City its 9 hours away (i'm in Boca Raton) :mad:
Edit : BRB checking Miami

[strictlyspeakin]

It looks like the control arm is cracked doesn't it.

[benz4life]

It looks like the control arm is cracked doesn't it.

At this point I suspect this parts, I post this since will help me tomorrow at the shop having an idea about the prices.
Control Arm - Rear Lower $71
Part Number: W0133-1610353
Notes: Main Arm
Product Remark: with Bushing
Position: Rear Lower
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/rep/thumb/1030630.jpg

Sway Bar Link - Rear $10
W0133-1636722
Notes: w/ Standard Suspension From Rear Sway Bar to Trailing Arm.
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/rep/thumb/1023207.jpg

Control Arm Strut - Rear Right Lower $42
Part Number: W0133-1619903
Notes: For Eccentric Bolt with Mounting Hardware, use 140 350 11 70 Tie Rod Repair Kit.
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/rep/thumb/1031279.jpg

Stabilizer Bar Link - Rear $11.35
Part Number: 6324-05014596
Notes: Suspension Stabilizer Bar Link -- END LINK
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/dimage/thumb/1084947.jpg

Subframe Mount $16
Part Number: W0133-1626315
Notes: Rear Subframe Front Front position of rear subframe.
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/rep/thumb/1067400.jpg

Not sure about this:
Thrust Arm - Rear Lower $37
Part Number: W0133-1622022
Notes: Thrust Arm When Replacing Earlier Version (1) 210 350 45 06 Control Arm Repair Kit and (1) 210 352 00 43 Sleeve are Required per Side.
Detailed Notes: Lower front position. On models prior to listed chassis cut-offs or when replacing earlier version (1) 210 350 45 06 control arm repair kit and (1) 210 352 00 43 sleeve are required per side.
Position: Rear Lower
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/rep/thumb/1031282.jpg

Camber Strut - Rear Upper Rear $29
Part Number: W0133-1621909
Notes: Camber Strut When Replacing Earlier Version (1) 210 350 45 06 Control Arm Repair Kit and (1) 210 352 00 43 Sleeve are Required per Side.
Detailed Notes: Upper rear position. On models prior to listed chassis cut-offs or when replacing earlier version (1) 210 350 45 06 control arm repair kit and (1) 210 352 00 43 sleeve are required per side.
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/rep/thumb/1101719.jpg

[nhmercracer]

With a hit that hard, the sub-frame tabs may be bent. I would pull the entire rear suspension, including sub-frame, and both left and right suspension. Remove the drive shaft, exhaust, and the four sub-frame bolts. There may be other items which may need to be removed, but I cannot remember. Replace the entire rear suspension, and hit the alignment shop. This is the way I repaired my 190e when my brother drove it and lost a rear wheel (and overheated the engine, needing a new head). The left rear suspension was ground away, as he decided not to stop for the officers. Took me a long time to get her running again.

[strictlyspeakin]

True. However the control arm may have already been weakened by corrosion. If so, it might not have been that hard a hit. Trying to stay positive for you

[benz4life]

So :
Control arm - Rear Lower
Sway bar link
Control arm strut
Stabilizer bar
Thrust arm with cover (no.116 plus no.140)
Axle shaft too, No 5:
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A 202 350 56 10

I don't think my car has any of this:
212 ELECTRONIC TRACTION SYSTEM (ETS)
471 ACCELERATION SKID CONTROL (ASR)

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^No 5 all the assembly w/ bearing

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... BRB to edit this post, not sure how accurate I am, put everything in a rush, waiting for shop's quote (parts+labor) . Anyways, stopped by the dealer, axle shaft is $1K,jeez, there are a few on ebay, have to make sure i identify the right one.

[benz4life]

Axle shaft ... used for $75

http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-98-MERCEDES-C230-AXLE-SHAFT-202-TYPE-C230-W-O-ETS-/190637252885#ht_2328wt_1159

Delivery May 24-May 31 , end well ..this will not , can't keep my car 2 weeks on the lift :(

[benz4life]

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^No 5 all the assembly w/ bearing

Can anyone help me find this part online ? is it called knuckle?
R2023570506 - google doesn't help

[taz069]

I have a e bay auction for ya give me a few and i'll send the auction #!!

[taz069]

Ebay #item is for a c280. But they will pull what you need!! Ebay item# is 270908193432. The auction has 19 days left!! Hopefully the parts are interchangeable!! Just a 411! Look them up soon!!

[taz069]

Just purchased the ac clutch and compressor for said seller above on ebay. Can't wait to get next week. Any luck??

[benz4life]

well, I had to get a new sub frame since mine was bent (got if from a junkyard for 250)
-so the shop replaces all the parts , also the breaks and shocks (Monroe Shock Absorber - Part#: 39013).
-the shop called me yesterday that the car is ready.
- car is now way to high from the ground, i dont like it, i fell like i drive a getto car on 22's
-my wheel is still in a small angle, even if we changed all the parts, (wtf)
-they said I will need an alignment
-i go to sears today but they can't do it "due to bent sub frame" so they tell me to go to a frame shop
-my shop want's another $350 on top of the $500 i already gave them (this is just labor- i supplied the parts)
what am i doing guys? find a frame shop and have them check it out?

[benz4life]

:mad: So I was driving to another shop 2 hours ago, to do the alignment, a shop I found online , as Sears said... I am almost there, when... over a bridge, I hear "grrrr" , no more power, can't move an inch anymore , got stuck right uphill, one lane only. Called the shop that did my labor, they send the towing truck. A minute later, cop behind me, rush hour, 40 cars behind me... 3 more cops show up. I told them the towing car is on its way... like 30 min later they said "we call our truck", however mine got there 1st and made it to the shop without a ticket. Lift the car, looks like the axle shaft we replaced its broke . Thanks God, i got two from eBay. Shop said they will replace it and try to do the alignment by themselves. fml, another bill.

[benz4life]

2nd axle shaft I got from eBay could not be installed since the holes didn't match where is supposed to attach to the differential, the one from eBay was a little bigger... so I had to go to a junk yard twice yesterday till I found the right one. I am waiting for the car to be ready, hope will be ok this time.
Question, could the shop install the new shocks wrong , because looks so high from the ground? I replaced the originals with Monroe Shock Absorber - Part#: 39013 - front and 39014 rear . Anyone knows if this are adjustable?

[benz4life]

finally done, took the car out from the shop yesterday, they replaced the knuckle spindle too (another $100) and I did the alignment this morning, looks like it's all good now, almost all my measurements before were red, now, all green. Did it at Sears for $84 w/tax.
Was the most expensive lesson I've learned, about $2k (1K labor), I don't even wanna calculate or think about it anymore . I would not go through this again, I would rather take $500 from the junk yard.
Thanks for support to those who replied.
Other minor things need to be done to my car - like a short at the break light - in the socket i guess, sometimes works; abs sensor on for about 3 months, will fix it in time.
/thread

[benz4life]

UPDATE: 3 months later....

Oh well , the story does not end here :)
Looks like the right side rear tire is worn out a lot due to a "positive chamber"
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/Teeeman/Pinecars/Slide2.jpg

So looks like its out of alignment already.
I went to Sears today and they said to come back tomorrow because the manager is not there and they also have to search for their documents to see what was done on my car, notes (?) . They requested info / documentation on my tires , but i don't have since I got them online a while ago and were installed by a small shop , i didn't got a receipt either :(

So I'm going back tomorrow morning to talk to the manager. I'm hoping to get a free alignment and rotate the rear tires and see if the problem persist. It might not be a good long term approach but I'm not willing to spend more money into this.
Any other ideas how to handle this ?

[benz4life]

Sears did another alignment today, they said they put everything back on green and gave me two new tires for the rear . I declare myself satisfied , I hope they did a better job this time. Time will say it.

[jc1kz]

If there is a firestone or NTB in your area, they have "life time aligment" I got that for my MB '94 C280 and have used it several times already for free aligment after replacing the Struts/shocks and upper/lower ball joints and when I hit a pothole (in the rain didn't see that it was big hole thought it was just a puddle...)

What ever you decide, don't sell to a junk/salvage yard, they pay you crap and sell parts to Us (other MB owners) for ten times what they gave you...if you decide to sell list it on craig's list or ebay you'll get more for it, I had a 88 jag on it's last legs and scrap yards wanted to give me $200-$400 for it, sold it on ebay for $1000.00 turns out the guy only wanted the interior (it was a VDP model) but he bought the whole car.....