Limited slip differential

[Mike51809]

I have been trying hard to get an LSD. I talked to quaife about it and they had me contact bird auto who makes all their diffs. Kevin Bird told me next year maybe they will make one. If there are enough inquiries though he will make one for the w202 chassis. I just thought I'd throw this out there, you can inquire at WWW.birdsauto.com if anyone is interested, thanks!

[Dearlove]

did he give you a rough price?

[Mike51809]

No, but I can ask him what he thinks it would cost. I just figured around a $1,000 or so cuz that's what quaife charges for the diffs lol

[Christopher]

is that that things that breaks when you put a supercharger in your car that you have to adjust for acceleration decelleration and braking?

[Mike51809]

I'm not sure what you're thinking of lol This goes in your rear end replacing your gears with one unit with gears on the inside that send power to both of the weeks and "slip" when you turn still because the outside wheel has farther to travel lol Puts the power down better :) He quoted me $1,500 but he said good luck finding buyers :(

[Dearlove]

hmm, im going to be looking at making a bolt on answer for these soon i think, using a silvia diff. will keep you posted

[Mike51809]

Sweet! That would be great man

[zmatt]

nice work. If he releases one I would buy one in a heart beat. Quaife makes great LSDs.

[Mike51809]

I will too, but try to do a inquiry at www.birdsauto.com so maybe he'll make one faster! Lol

[hipnimahop]

I tryed to but there is no place for that , can u tell them I want one too. Please

[Mike51809]

Just click on contact on the bottom of the home page for his site and go from there lol

[hipnimahop]

Lol ok i did send a massage saying i am intresred in too, hope fully they will respond and make one

[Mike51809]

I sure hope so, we need one lol

[Sulaco]

Simply decreasing the running gear would go a long way to increase acceleration in these cars--especially the AMG's. The running gear is ridiculously tall, something like 2.93. For reference, drag cars keep their rear diff at 3.83, 4.1, etc.

There are w202's out there with LSD's. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM6DL5PlJJo

[hipnimahop]

I did send an e-mail as I mentioned but they are asking for my VIN number and I don't what to give it to anyone on the net, and they said if we have we will ship it if not then sorry. lol

[Mike51809]

Does anyone make kits for that though? Huh they must really not want to make one lol idk what the big deal is

[SLAMMED_C]

I have been trying hard to get an LSD. I talked to quaife about it and they had me contact bird auto who makes all their diffs. Kevin Bird told me next year maybe they will make one. If there are enough inquiries though he will make one for the w202 chassis. I just thought I'd throw this out there, you can inquire at WWW.birdsauto.com if anyone is interested, thanks!

I've been there and done that as well. I contacted Kevin over a year and a half ago about an LSD for my turbo project. I'm the reason why they are somewhat close to having a working model!
He asked for VIN ect... and in the end it wasnt an LSD that would work with my car. so I sent him the LSD back and also sent him a spare diff I had (yes shpped an entire diff to England!). and its now been well over a year later in hopes of them coming up with some sort of solution to a few problems with the stock w202 diff. and I believe they are close to having something, however.. they need more people interested for them to manufacture such a product.. and since there arent too many people that want an LSD for a w202.. they wont be making them any time soon.
so Im at the point where I will be asking for a refund. unless I can figure out a solution. I wonder what other diff will bolt into our cars.. even with some modifications? I'm looking into an SLK32 diff at the moment (since a 4 banger slk diff is very similar) the diff from an SLK32 has a part number of 210 350 73 62. I would really like to know what it looks like and how it mounts in the rear subframe.
there is a company called phantom grip that make a set of spring blocks that do go in where the spider gear assembly would go, they have 3 listed for a mercedes, however none of them for anything relevent! for some reason older cars.. and an SLK32. I believe Quaife do make an SLD for the SLK32.. so its an option.
gotta research this!

[ypkx]

thread jacking abit but i must ask, how do you notice the difference with an lsd compared to the normal slipdif? Im only asking because I have a feeling the owner before me had welded this dif, because when i go around a corner the back end comes out quite amazingly

[Mike51809]

Lol mine does too, even if its just a little damp and not much throttle it likes to fish tail even in a straight line :p Do a burnout in dirt, or pavement if you wanna ruin tires and see if only one side leaves rubber :p

[Sulaco]

my 94 c280 would break loose and fishtail easily even on pavement most of the time. Wet roads were downright dangerous if I let anyone else drive it. I drove it 252k miles over 12 years and was a damned pro at driving that thing in any way. I miss it alot. Have been driving my c43 for a few thousand. I'm older now and don't learn things like this as well, but I can tell the diff is the same in both cars. But even with 10" wide tires in the back, it will break loose with just a tiny bit of effort. Much stiffer suspension and 50% more hp means things very quickly get out of hand. The esp kicks in and saves me alot. What annoys me is that even with the esp off, its still on just enough to spoil the fun and won't let me learn how the car really handles. One reason why I want a 95 c36--the esp is really off when you turn it off.

[Mike51809]

Same in my kompressor too, its really pretty special of a car. You wouldn't think a 2.3 or even the 2.8 would move our led sleds like they do but they have some balls!

[Mike51809]

I really wanna ride in a c43 to see how it is, sounds like you have fun :p

[ypkx]

i worry for those who have anything above 2.3l :O If i can do such damage in a 1.8, I would be very scared to see what a c43 would do?

[Mike51809]

That's true lol Do you have any mods?

[zmatt]

my kompressor eats the rear tires alive. I need new tires the thing breaks loose in a turn with more than a 3rd throttle. Its fun but in the wet only I can drive the car as nobody else expects it to be that tail happy. A buddy of mine drifts a 240sx and he was riding shotgun with me and was surprised how eager it was to go sideways.

[hipnimahop]

I need so much an LSD because Winters here are no joke, I always get stuck even with 16 inch good winter tires,one side spins endlessly when you want to get going from a full stop on a little hill, and since no one makes one (LSD) I GAVE UP ! I am going to buy the new (2013) Subaru WRX STI it has tru AWD with LSD at the back. but no worries I ll keep the w202 lol its like new 100 000 KMs (babyed).

[Mike51809]

http://www.mkb-tuning.com/content/en/products/products.php?fahrzeug_id=4&prod_gruppe=3

[Mike51809]

Check this site out! They have alot of stuff for 202's

[Dearlove]

wow, some of the stuff they have is really interesting. stroker kits and all!

[Mike51809]

Hell yeah!! I can't wait to do all that and make It a 2.5 Kompressor beast

[zmatt]

I don't mean to burst your bubble guys, but I contacted MKB last year and they no longer have those kits. I have no idea why they still list them.

[Mike51809]

Well shit, I even sent them an email and they sent a catalog to me for the 202

[zmatt]

really? maybe i was told wrong. I sent tuem another email just in case. it would be awesome if that stuff still existed. you think the 2.3l is torquey i bet the 2.5 is a monster.

[Mike51809]

Yeah see what they say cuz half the time I'm told random crap lol I would love a 2.5 kompressor with some cams and a pulley would be a beast!

[zmatt]

does the catalog include prices?

[Mike51809]

Yes it does but it disappeared from my email somehow... lol It's downloaded on my phone with the adobe and now its gone... Try asking him for a new one and he should give you one

[zmatt]

I will when they get around to replying lol.

[Mike51809]

He quoted me $10,200 to pull the engine bore it out, put on a bigger intercooler, and retune the ecu.. You'd think for that price he'd include cams too

[Dearlove]

im sure you can negotiate, $10k, and how much power?

[Mike51809]

275 hp and 372 nm but I don't know what that is in foot pounds and thats without cams

[zmatt]

275 hp and 372 nm but I don't know what that is in foot pounds and thats without cams

That's 274 ft/lbs. Congrats 10 grand got you C36 power. I just got their catalog. I can upload it if anyone wants to read it all. They list all W202 models up to and including the C55. I just emailed Brabus USA asking if they still did older models including the W202. I have heard through here-say that they will tune any Benz but they don't say that on their site.

[Mike51809]

I know Its just my baby you know? And everyone goes the c43 c36 route.. And there's nothing wrong with it its just what everyone does to me just my opinion. Let us know what they say cuz that'd be sweet! Its like tuners skipped the 202s

[zmatt]

I just heard back from them. They answer emails very quickly.


Dear Matt,

Thank you for your interest in BRABUS tuning for your W202, unfortunately we did offer something for that car back in the days, but no longer have any more products for it as it has been discontinued and out of stock.


I asked about custom swaps as rumor indicated that they did that. I got a reply 2 minutes later.


BRABUS does transplant engines, but they only work on cars which are the current model, it's how they do it so they don't have overstock on later model parts.

Sorry we couldn't offer anything for your vehicle.

Thank you again.

I guess I can try contacting Renntech next if anyone is interested.


I agree with you. I want to tune this car not a C43, if that means a turbo, or an engine swap whatever but I want to tune my C230.

[Mike51809]

Hell might as well give it a shot lol Exactly, that's what sets it apart from everyone else if you threw a freakin v12 in your car its the only one, or doing something other than monos...lol

[zmatt]

Well I love monos, more on Mercedes means less on VWs right? I emailed Renntech. I'm hoping they say they are free to do anything. Like that crazy chick you know, she will do anything you want if you ask.

[Mike51809]

Haha I know what you mean

[Mike51809]

http://www.frsport.com/OS-Giken-MB032-HC-Super-Lock-LSD-Mercedes-Benz-190E-C220-W201-W202_p_29216.html


Well i found one but it isnt cheap. It does lock 100% though and seems pretty legit

[John Jones Jr.]

Maybe somebody should look into fitting a 190E 2.3-16 LSD (non ASD). The diff ratio from memory is 3.27 or possibly 3.46.

[John Jones Jr.]

http://www.frsport.com/OS-Giken-MB032-HC-Super-Lock-LSD-Mercedes-Benz-190E-C220-W201-W202_p_29216.html


Well i found one but it isnt cheap. It does lock 100% though and seems pretty legit

That's crazy money.


Anybody ever look into something like this?

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/index.php/en/other-products/traction-control

[Mike51809]

I know its insane money but you wouldnt need it unless you had insane power. Im not sure what that does, i imagine it reads the tps signal and maf with the map sensor to see load and abs syatem to control wheel spin? Im looking into a 250d rear end from germany with a much higher final drive in my future :)

[dokotela]

Traction control we have. LSD we don't. Basically we want both wheels to spin at the same time, not limiting the slippage and cut power

[John Jones Jr.]

Im not sure what that does, i imagine it reads the tps signal and maf with the map sensor to see load and abs syatem to control wheel spin?

Yeah, Mike. I mentioned it as I know of somebody who fitted this (the adjsutable version) to a 2001 3 Series BMW and it got glowing reports. Anyway, it was worth a mention if nothing else.

[Vetruck]

I just did a little research.

I found a link on EBAY that shows a 190d rear diff will cross refence into my C220 US spec(I have 3.07 rear ratio, you guys with the C280's have 2.87)

I then found this link on discussion of someone putting a 190e 16V LSD diff into a 190D- I would assume from that the 16V LSD diffs are a bolt in thing into the early w202's?

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/336209-what-diff-works-my-w201-190d.html

[dokotela]

16v diff works in a c43 for sure. Jake aka money_one on mymbonline/mbworld fitted this a long while back....he has since transplanted a 55 NA into his car and then a 55K. Don't think he's still using that 16v diff...think it went kaboom...eventually

[Sulaco]

On the topic of creating best bang for your buck on a non-AMG car, TURBO is really the only way to go. There used to be youtube videos of a german dude's m104 C280. He did a proper turbo and a 5spd manual gearbox. ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO, he was getting 380hp at the rear wheels. Assuming it's all accurate, that's enough to smoke even an E46 M3--nevermind a C36 or a C43.

The m104 apparently reacts well to turbos, but it's pricey as hell. Some of the parts are simply not made by anyone and have to be custom fabricated. Look at what the Turbobandit guys reached by custom fabbing their own parts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdFYcHEl9SQ

[Dearlove]

when the time comes ill be getting a quaife