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J Irwan
10-23-2003, 12:30 PM
I am sure many of you are looking for C32 upgrade for your W202

Well,

Here is what I found out so far.
Originally I have ordered this kit for my friend, but since it took me about 6 month getting from Evosport
so my friend doesn't want it anymore.

So I have been doing some research for quite sometimes on fitting this on my C36.
Most of the people who have done this upgrade they have to use left caliper on the right side and vice versa, in which
resulting the caliper-piston orientation is out of order.
Finally I have a way of fitting this properly on my C36 (correct piston orientation).
This is a bit tricky..;)


First of all I have to get it custom drilled for that allen bolt that hold the rotor to the wheel spindel.
(wheel spindel)
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwD**1gTQIXBE15oNSoGhxYOEnNlBqf0Yxez4j8IfAgsJGyZn SZvynMEV0w1u395s6zDP!b0fqS16jxpMOsTZnTe40UaDuCbBSJ lRW4jMac/111-1171_IMG.JPG

As you can see on the pic below, I already have the rotor ready to bolt on W202/W208/W210 chassis.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwBYKVkTfoXBE15oNSoGh9btOPPgE2fT7GJfKCeiixfRRipit HjenHuXDpIJHmqzOFwlwtQI8dFk50jGem4HA1MfjoNVcYOOIqY syJ5w*f8/111-1172_IMG.JPG

But here is what you should know more before fitting this brake to any W202/W208/W210 chassis.

With this brake 18"monoblok won't fit.

The caliper with come in contact with the wheel :(
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDRAlITg4XBE15oNSoGhxg5ZYUgNcJH!0snD3aw0iKDcE5KS 2QyKvOUlJfBDplYnGPYEJ*n9eScZhp5sKVgGSjroW1a*bAGLWq jztrb7EI/111-1169_IMG.JPG


Although it actually looks good with them on
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAODl8T8obBE15oNSoGhz8SeGIVNFHFPtaV6bnT5i9*9Y9WX TRg5XWnibI1griQfT9cX9i4bsYiZ9PS9XMZQRlHoSh1BZFFvZK rgIxtB1Q/111-1178_IMG.JPG


They however will fit on 17" AMG SLK (17x7.5 ET37) with about 1mm clearance between the caliper and the spoke.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAAAGATMIfBE15oNSoGhx7ZeRsPD29!*MD1H6V5AjMW8hVtr bKLtIuL1ITEcZOBuMt8el6lilJ1W7!SvV7h0pE2Lh!YBhTx6bI 2MbEHfhY/111-1179_IMG.JPG

They will also fit on 17" Monoblok II (17x7.5 ET35) just fine with about 2mm clearance between the caliper and the spoke.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDYAlwTOYbBE15oNSoGh3KDp0bVU20UnC4UeOXfDLsxX7WHi l!r4ha2jOBMdGdd39OmAqlx!22KmIY2lg9roU2J6Yo7ZGkuhDS 6KjPY3aI/111-1184_IMG.JPG



I could use this brake setup with 18" monoblok but I will need to use 5mm spacer, in which I am very much against it.
Why..?
Since with the current setup my front wheel offset is just perfect for me, and I don't want to add 5mm offset to change the current offset.
And since I like the way my car looks with 18" mono, I am not willing to get another wheel at the moment just so I can use this C32 brake setup.

For others who probably have a little more option on wheels setup, this clearly this would be the most cost effective way for brake upgrade, and also appearance wise.
Sure Brembo GT kit will outperform this brake, but for the fraction of the price, it is still a very good buy

With that being said I going to sell this kit and offer it for Club202 member who are interested on doing this upgrade.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDjAmETb4fBE15oNSoGh3Ir!6a2p!Rf6tD2QXX1p4ddJjDc! v2i6sFiTHU5pPuHGnpkgkmi04MOxvUi1aH3dPhXWEjBv*XlZUl Bzjkl6i0/111-1189_IMG.JPG



This brake is still brand-spanking new.


Regardz,

kameraguy
10-23-2003, 01:34 PM
I can't do this now, but I would like to sometime next year. Didn't DantheAMGman do this already? I know someone did this to a C36. Did they have to modify it the same way?

Koolvin
10-23-2003, 02:01 PM
J,


Please E-mail me a price to Koolvin@mbclub.co.uk


cheers,
Vin.

Renn 208
10-23-2003, 02:04 PM
So J, did you have the pistons switched? If so, how?

J Irwan
10-23-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by kameraguy
I can't do this now, but I would like to sometime next year. Didn't DantheAMGman do this already? I know someone did this to a C36. Did they have to modify it the same way?



Kam,

Dan use a left caliper on right side, and vice versa.
Therefore the piston orientation its not correct.

Regardz,

J Irwan
10-23-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Renn 208
So J, did you have the pistons switched? If so, how?


AJ I didn't switched the piston, I thought about doing it though..



I'll let you guess,

Here is pic on Dan's car and mine car (both is pic of driver side front wheel).
I am curious if you able to spot the difference...

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwDrAtETno6JYOfbz5iHU8mNhnS7WNka2H9dtlpb*Nd4TWmDU 3DcKaqQRvh1D8p4lTkUGFckNgyEYDgPXxUuIS3aP2eo4dgKYLn UxwoALx0/C323.jpg

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDjAmETb4fBE15oNSoGh3Ir!6a2p!Rf6tD2QXX1p4ddJjDc! v2i6sFiTHU5pPuHGnpkgkmi04MOxvUi1aH3dPhXWEjBv*XlZUl Bzjkl6i0/111-1189_IMG.JPG


Regardz,

Eurosport
10-23-2003, 05:07 PM
J,
do you think they would fit 18" double spokes style IV ET 37? Stock there's very small clearance.

As far as any other mods needed to the brakes/rotors none right?

ty

nokia8860
10-23-2003, 05:45 PM
hhaha i can see what you did. very obvious from the pictures!

J Irwan
10-23-2003, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by Eurosport
J,
do you think they would fit 18" double spokes style IV ET 37? Stock there's very small clearance.

As far as any other mods needed to the brakes/rotors none right?

ty

I am not sure....

sorry dude..

I wish I know.. :D



Regardz,

speedybenz
10-23-2003, 07:37 PM
You are unbolting the caliper halfs and then reassembling in the correct piston orientation.

Right?

Jeff

joesc280
10-23-2003, 08:14 PM
i'm interested if the price is right.....if you can beat evosports price i will seriously consider them from you let me know.....redheaddreadloc@aol.com

714guy
10-23-2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by nokia8860
hhaha i can see what you did. very obvious from the pictures!
tell mee please, b/c both of the pictures look alike to mee.

Renn 208
10-23-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by speedybenz
You are unbolting the caliper halfs and then reassembling in the correct piston orientation.

Right?

Jeff

That would be my guess as well from the pic, but is it safe?

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 07:20 AM
nope man :p

Like I stated earlier I thought about opening the caliper half, and re-arrange the piston order but I didn't


I think if joey can spot the difference this pic will make it clearer.. :D:D:D

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwByAE0TToTBE15oNSoGh5CnSstf3OPBQvSEOhzhK7rjUYIi1 Gj5AyNVPBV8Tyx!Zz1veOQY0*TD!tkPreqZFpcIdLue7ZPy1Jh fF693Ob0/111-1173_IMG.JPG

Hint: take a look at the mounting hole for the brake sensor harness now ;)

Regardz,

714guy
10-24-2003, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by J Irwan
nope man :p

Like I stated earlier I thought about opening the caliper half, and re-arrange the piston order but I didn't


I think if joey can spot the difference this pic will make it clearer.. :D:D:D

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwByAE0TToTBE15oNSoGh5CnSstf3OPBQvSEOhzhK7rjUYIi1 Gj5AyNVPBV8Tyx!Zz1veOQY0*TD!tkPreqZFpcIdLue7ZPy1Jh fF693Ob0/111-1173_IMG.JPG

Hint: take a look at the mounting hole for the brake sensor harness now ;)

Regardz,

i see that the that hole is a little bit up instead of in the middle, but i still dont know what you did

VaC280
10-24-2003, 08:47 AM
Please let the rest of us in on the secret :( I really like these brakes, and if they can be fit so they work properly and safetly, and I can understand how and why, I would definately put them on my C43.

kameraguy
10-24-2003, 08:49 AM
LOL! I'm with you 714guy. I saw that difference. But does it mean anything to me? NOPE! :p

Pls do explain for us non-brake experts :p

MG420
10-24-2003, 10:34 AM
Hey J,

Will this setup clear 19x8.5 F 19x10 R iForged wheels?

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by MG420
Hey J,

Will this setup clear 19x8.5 F 19x10 R iForged wheels?

to be honest...I am not sure..

sorry man..


Regardz,

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by kameraguy
LOL! I'm with you 714guy. I saw that difference. But does it mean anything to me? NOPE! :p

Pls do explain for us non-brake experts :p



Okay

Let me explain what I had to do to fit this on W202 chassis in correct piston sequence order


I am going to explain it with pictures, so some imagination from your end is definitely required :D:D:D:D


To start the basic is that C36 has Leading Caliper and C32 has trailing caliper.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TQDIF0AXWo3djrQZZHgfqfQNnyTfhS1n!xePeKowPTLNkzmcD oCiUxadh8!DLe1AIN5tpZ1iSFz4xaGqJrBdcNQLwsq1OnldpfM VwNxSXyxCyKDw*B6LZw/c36-c32_comparison.jpg


Below is the orientation on the C32 OEM setup
Front of the car is on your left
Also the caliper that I attached SS line to is the Driver-side unit (keep this in mind until you finished reading this thread)
As you can see the smaller piston are on the lower part

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDaAk8TzITBE15oNSoGh49P83iLPdqQgozenGGRRrbVnV9DM g!4o99xN!kQAHkJAnTUZQVgt7hzP4LL2mNUo!srZ*eNzpm7YzL mGX1DhXc/111-1193_IMG.JPGhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDaAlATCoXBE15oNSoGh23326*J*9OSR2hyKl4J6afV37eyH HvEpMdTVZ*FDC9McqqW0fk0hpnrkTFAaSXD6xkrSLg6TpkUqv4 Kvcrjw8U/111-1194_IMG.JPGhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDYAlETSIXBE15oNSoGh2WSlSXNwE9V52WEUuh8Esi5wmGTD 1SWLxPyEGEdVOwIneSNScTXugxvGReSNlvYGvxgEl!R5Sw9bRU O2ADn6Gk/111-1195_IMG.JPG



Now below is what people have been doing on W202/W208 chassis
As you can see what is used to be on the driver side on W203 now it's on the passenger side
Again your left is the front of the car.

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDUAlIThoXBE15oNSoGhxTksELkg0lQVdlL3oFvSAnExQig! uqPYqcnNe7Vn!gH0IRF5QcITXSKWSDgFNL1lnUqxerhf5qHu*d L6bHAXnw/111-1196_IMG.JPGhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDYAlMTxIXBE15oNSoGh963Bf3kni6hfagjfuOEuPPv3JGW4 kDnR7VCwtoYqzgCNYpokLLmTC4ubCZ1fj2Z8sySt59Y7aPFl9r N*iqYaA0/111-1197_IMG.JPGhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDQAlQTAobBE15oNSoGh1GpUnFzgucsX6IkJzELOSn3JQEKX pxEw3I1MGFUYztlKCm65N19NwzLJQTpkLPQwhHM2fgKgo!yQpQ lpsIxYa0/111-1198_IMG.JPG

As you can see on third pic the smaller pistons are still on the lower part, which is incorrect
since the upper piston will be the rotor entrance side.
The upper should have been the smaller piston.


http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAhA1UTQIbBE15oNSoGh4Vp9Gotyrfl4AIqqtFtBqo8e8nIx 23!iaQarqfPZV22KLRay0zUW0sHuSe9wpzr5dYIGK8kCS0RQ3z RApl41dk/111-1199_IMG.JPGhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAAAEQTG4JjSUrIgok4P2LxNAK18HAT2V4OZtrg*PVZhVP9* H4*D7zLMYyOX9jR9!6NQcg188B4wikhkY!W4ZoRli6cMB03fXz z8ndC7jU/111-1200_IMG.JPG

So far As you can see the brake lines fitting will be pointed upward on stock C32 setup and this reversed setup on W202/W208



Now, This is what I did, I am using the left caliper on my left.
Notice that the smaller piston on the upper part, which is the rotor entrance side.
Again your left is the front of the car.. ;)
In order to fit it like this the catch is that the brake lines fitting now will be pointed downward.
To overcome this problem I have to measure exacly what is the length required to compensate the bent("J"/hook shape).

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDVAkgTGIMpobQ!3T*KKrKLl8ONzhmXh9NOf*fsfEOUuIrLQ iZVx5g7mjPc9s6mb3BN9!FY6UfYyGVUNsO1g6EyBCULKF1U5Bw DA*wtuTw/112-1203_IMG.JPGhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDVAkkTVoMpobQ!3T*KKtT1mruI39BbQ0NQkh*04DeujuyCX CzUmQZArHfZkWIL9cy2nN9wzOZYwrprmbMhj69rwHIQWxlmkOV I2bqPPaI/112-1204_IMG.JPGhttp://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDRAk0TToTBE15oNSoGh5CnSstf3OPBQvSEOhzhK7rjUYIi1 Gj5AyNVPBV8Tyx!Zz1veOQY0*TD!tkPreqZFpcIdLue7ZPy1Jh fF693Ob0/111-1173_IMG.JPG



I hope this clear some confussion as how I manager to fit this C32 brake on W202 chassis with the correct piston orientation. ;)



Regardz,

pnsji
10-24-2003, 11:50 AM
so J,

the piston orientation is reverse?

VaC280
10-24-2003, 11:54 AM
:werd: I feel STUPID!!! That makes complete sense. It took me a minute to figure it. I am so excited, now I can put them on my car!:) :) :)

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by pnsji
so J,

the piston orientation is reverse?


With the way I mounted these calipers
the piston orientation would be in the correct sequence/order

which is the smaller piston should be on the rotor-entrance side of the caliper.
(the entrance side would be the upper piston ;)
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwDVAkgTGIMpobQ!3T*KKrKLl8ONzhmXh9NOf*fsfEOUuIrLQ iZVx5g7mjPc9s6mb3BN9!FY6UfYyGVUNsO1g6EyBCULKF1U5Bw DA*wtuTw/112-1203_IMG.JPG





I was going to sell this kit, and plannig to get Luwins AP kit off Jason , however since the AP kit is already spoken for.
Also after some research this AP 6-pot caliper Off Luwin's car won't even clear my 17" :(

I think I am going to give this a try one more time with 3mm spacer...before I decide it to sell it


Now where I can get a 3mm spacer..?


Anyone... ???

Regardz,

VaC280
10-24-2003, 12:02 PM
How much longer are the front SS lines than normal? I would probably have to have Troutman make me longer lines for my C43.

nokia8860
10-24-2003, 12:08 PM
hahah see i knew it from the pics :D :D

now the question is are you ase brake certified to be doing this :p

Eurosport
10-24-2003, 12:13 PM
J,
H&R makes good spacers
i haven't used them but i've heard
try wheelexperts or some wheel stores around your area there
they should have them in stock

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by nokia8860
hahah see i knew it from the pics :D :D

now the question is are you ase brake certified to be doing this :p



he..hee.

Dude I am not altering the internal part of the caliper.
Instead I am using it as it intended for.. :p

If some one can make a "C" or "J" type collar that would be ideal
this collar would be between the caliper and the brake lines ;)

I have measure it, that I can run the line a little bent just fine without interfering with the wheel movement (left/right) or suspension movement (up/down) :D



Originally posted by VaC280
How much longer are the front SS lines than normal? I would probably have to have Troutman make me longer lines for my C43.

I have to measure my original line again, and let you that.
Since I order the lines from Troutman custom length relative to my Stock C36 lines ;)


Regardz,

714guy
10-24-2003, 01:26 PM
cool thanks for the xplanation, so all you need are longer lines or that j bend for it to work the right way.

speedybenz
10-24-2003, 01:41 PM
Junaidi,

Troutman should be able to supply you the needed 90 degree bend on the brake fitting. Just make sure you give yourself plenty of brakeline.

Also it looks as though the bleeder valve will be at the bottom of the caliper, is that correct?

Jeff

VaC280
10-24-2003, 01:51 PM
Also it looks as though the bleeder valve will be at the bottom of the caliper, is that correct?

Speedybenz,
Would the bleeder valve being mounted on the bottom cause a problem when bleeding the brakes?

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by speedybenz
Junaidi,

Troutman should be able to supply you the needed 90 degree bend on the brake fitting. Just make sure you give yourself plenty of brakeline.

Also it looks as though the bleeder valve will be at the bottom of the caliper, is that correct?

Jeff


I have the custom brake lines from Troutman, also the one on my car also Troutman :D:D:D
I will call Bill at Troutman, to see if they can have make me a J shaped fitting/collar.

And you correct, the bleeder valve now will be at the bottom.
I guess this should make my bleeding job a lil easier :p (just little not by much :D:D:D)


Regardz,

Luwin1026
10-24-2003, 02:12 PM
J_ - You can ring up Sander for some spacers -

909-468-1311

Renn 208
10-24-2003, 02:17 PM
bah! I see now...i feel like a dummy head. nice work, guess it helps to actually have a car and caliper sitting in front of you to find a good solution eh?

speedybenz
10-24-2003, 08:02 PM
J_,

With the bleeder valve on the bottom you will need to bleed the front brakes with the calipers off the car. You will need to have the bleeder valve pointed up for the air to get out since the air is lighter than the brake fluid.

Jeff

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by speedybenz
J_,

With the bleeder valve on the bottom you will need to bleed the front brakes with the calipers off the car. You will need to have the bleeder valve pointed up for the air to get out since the air is lighter than the brake fluid.

Jeff


Jeff

couldn't I just use a small hose and make pointed this hose slanted upward, to get the air out..?


Regardz,

Renn 208
10-24-2003, 08:23 PM
but then wouldn't you have to find a way to force the air bubbles out of the caliper?

J Irwan
10-24-2003, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Renn 208
but then wouldn't you have to find a way to force the air bubbles out of the caliper?

What I am thinking before with this hose act an extenstion of the caliper channel.

When there is no buble on the hose, that means the caliper should be out of buble as well...? no..?


Regardz,

speedybenz
10-24-2003, 08:43 PM
Well you could try, but I don't think you are going to have much luck. But just turn it over the put osme old pads in the caliper to keep the new pads spaced out and bleed. Not really that much of a hassle.

Jeff

J Irwan
11-11-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Eurosport
J,
do you think they would fit 18" double spokes style IV ET 37? Stock there's very small clearance.

As far as any other mods needed to the brakes/rotors none right?

ty


Dude now that I think about it
you wheel is the standard wheel of CLK55 (W209) right..

then it should fit since both C32 and CLK55 (W209) have the same exact brake setup..


if you want mine is still up for grab..


you know you want it dude ;)



Regardz,

36SlaMMed
11-30-2003, 08:42 PM
J out of curiosity how much are you selling the c32 brake rotor and caliper

J Irwan
11-30-2003, 09:17 PM
Here (http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1844) is my asking price.




Regardz,

97Brabus
03-15-2005, 02:03 PM
BUMP....can someone provide details on the brake line dimensions for this upgrade? Where to get them if you have a good contact?? Thanks!

chuni959
03-27-2006, 10:13 AM
sorry to be a thread digger, but none of the pictures work, and i am curious to see how you got the piston orentation right? Did you swap the halfs of the calipers from L to R? Can you repost pics? THANKS!!

97Brabus
04-02-2006, 09:25 AM
Sorry for the late reply. I have pics I can post, but it may take me a while. Steve, the guy who actually did the work for me took pics and I'm not sure how or where he posted them. I can mail to you if you need them right away. Otherwise I will make a page to store them on within a week.

As for your question, we mounted them just the way they come out of the box and in the C280 factory position, not like the C32. After taking a look at the piston size difference (minimal) we decided not to split them apart as some others have done. The stock lines are just long enough to reach and fit in the factory bracket, but I think we tossed the dust plates. They work great...I doubt there is any difference if we would have turned them around.

Dearlove
03-23-2012, 07:34 AM
bump for repost of pics??

hvmercy
03-23-2012, 08:28 AM
The pictures may be gone forever.

But here is a picture of someone in Canada who has done the same kind of mod.

The guy's screen name is Saaboteur who is a Lawyer and a wrench head by hobby.

Pictures courtesy of Saaboteur:

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy169/vincetong/C43%20AMG/IMG_1813.jpg

His whole thread is located HERE on page 10 (http://mbworld.org/forums/c36-amg-c43-amg-w202/350409-started-tear-down-paint-10.html)

bump for repost of pics??

SpEeDy230
03-23-2012, 08:52 AM
I have done it as well... such a good mod for 202's

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g33/migsnnel/5605d577.jpg

Dearlove
03-23-2012, 04:18 PM
did you run them upside down or pull them to bits and swap the housing over?

SpEeDy230
03-23-2012, 04:46 PM
I'm running them upside down. Never had any issues. Still stops damn well lol.