My first post.I need some ideas for my car?

[AlbanianC220]

OK.Im from albanian and im 16 years old,so i need 2 more years to take the license.For now my father is driving the car.We have a w202 c220 diesel. I love car and tunning and i wanna do some mods to my car.I have some ideas but there is one thing,we use this car as a family car.So feel free and give some ideas for a family car tunning.(performance,exterriors and interriors)

[michael6129]

take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2gFl4jcd7E&feature=plcp if you have a question feel free to post,

[AlbanianC220]

Im thinking about muffler delete is it Outloud or not?

[michael6129]

it's pretty loud, buy a supersport muffler from germany they aren't to expensive your car is a diesel don't make it to loud looks stupid

[strictlyspeakin]

I would say too loud. I started with new rims for my first mod.

[wichipong]

do suspension and wheels first then do engine upgrades... at least thats what i am gonna do...

but if you want inexpensive mods to start it off, do the HID conversion and LED license plate bulbs and interior bulbs first...



good luck!

[Dearlove]

engine swap with e250 turbo diesel!

[C43inNC]

Meh, it doesn't have to be a "race" car to be nice though. I mean you could do some basic performance mods (new exhaust/muffler, custom intake) and make it run a little better, drop some unecessary weight from the car, and have a nice, clean, fast enough ride.

[98Benzo]

Just stick to exterior mods for now such as tints, rims, HIDs, suspension then maybe work on the engine. Engine work involves A LOT of time, money and dedication. Good luck with modding :)

[MikeD]

Where would you drop weight- I question what you say is unnecessary? I believe in not leading on someone uneducated in car performance. I like to educate them as to how and why they should or should not do things based on facts.

Ride quality and well as handling is all about sprung to unsprung weight ratio. To loose chassis weight, and add heavier larger mass larger rotation weight wheels and tires will harm performance as well as ride quality. These cars are about luxury, event he C43's do not handle great, they can be made to handle decent, but no great without alot of fabrication. The have a lower roll center and a high center of gravity. The car needs to be locked down with large swaubars to anti the positive lateral roll weight of the chassis platform...should I continue?

I will spare the details since it is over most people heads dealing with chassis dynamics. These cars are souly designed for ride quality in a straight line- it is a luxo box. I will positively agree with your statement they can be nice, heck Mercedes is known for luxury. People need to learn this is the only thing they are good for. I have raced several AMG63's around courses even, and they do not impress me the least. Mecedes Benz whether economy or sport are just high priced statis cars for luyxury and prestige.

Before you decide whether you want to start a debate, Ill give you a little hint that I am a NASCAR supertruck crew cheif as well as a professional driving instructor that have worked with clients even in Lambos and Ferrari's, I am not a 20 yr old kid, I have quite the career and resume. I bought my Girlfirend a 94 C class from an old firend and I found this site just researching some info on them as for what aftermarket parts are available for them to make an average car a little nicer for inexpensive do to my talents. I just acquired an old Brabus kit for mine off this site- so there is a plus for being here.

So I will ask politely out of curiousity. what unecessary weight do you feel you can remove from these cars based on your quote? I am curious to learn something

...well aren't you just the coolest?

F=ma
Constant F and varying m to be lower means greater a, greater acceleration. The most basic of Newton's laws will explain that a car with less mass will accelerate faster while experiencing a constant, non-zero force...

Just don't bash people who are trying to help. It's not worth anybody's time.

-19 year old kid

[cameron_1292]

...well aren't you just the coolest?

F=ma
Constant F and varying m to be lower means greater a, greater acceleration. The most basic of Newton's laws will explain that a car with less mass will accelerate faster while experiencing a constant, non-zero force...

Just don't bash people who are trying to help. It's not worth anybody's time.

-19 year old kid
+1^

[wichipong]

hush down gents... we're all here to suggest our opinions...

[cameron_1292]

And here I though I was being polite to you little asswipes

your spazing for no reason. 2nd of all calm the fuck your the only one getting upset. we just help people out on this forum no need for name calling. and seeing that your calling us ass wipes, wether that was directed towards me because i gave a plus 1 to mikeD or if its to all of us, ill give you my 2 cents. first off 70% of your sentences didnt make sense. most words were messed up and some of the shit was completely irrelevant to the subject. second off , common sense whether its the spare of 40 to 50 pounds or its the change of front and rear seats to racing seats, its saving weight, ie= making it lighter, making it faster. if your such a "professional" and work in nascar like you say than you would realize that the trucks and cars are you work with are super light for a reason? same thing with the lamborghinis and ferraris that people had that you "teach". they have racing seats for a reason not big heavy benz seats. you ranted for for 3 paragraphs and got no where. then mikeD corrected you in 2 sentences. it doesnt take a "nascar crew chief" to realize less weight mean faster acceleration. and also i can tell your not too knowledgeable with mercedes because they are not just luxury cars. thats why the slr is still the fastest automatic car in the world? or why even my little 4 banger can run to 60 in only 7 seconds, weighing as much as it does. and why can hit every bit on its 150 mph to this day. even after 15 years of driving. also buddy, you said you raced several amg63s. just to let you know, most amg cars now have the 63 badge due to the engine size.so for all we know you could have been driving the r63 minivan, so be more specific. and if you were talking about one of the other models like the s63, clk63, cls63, c63, e63, cl63, sl63 or even the sls which, yes uses the same engine, then im sorry but you dont know cars, because even the heaviest and most luxurious of the group, the s63 still pulls to 60 in 4.5 seconds. so before you start ranting and raving about things that you "think" you know, maybe you should look at other posts on the forum and realize that even though some people on here are young, and old, we know our cars, and we know physics in general, and less weight= a quicker car.

-19 yea old kid

[wichipong]

keep your cool... we dont need any negativity like this. consider yourself being warned.

[michael6129]

Speedweek- Coronado Island, SanDiego 2010. I ran two AMG63's around the course on the military runway- a CLK, and E class. Both cars have decent power but both cars suck on handling. THey have the notorious Mercedes understeer and the front rubber goes to hell from overheating in a few laps- and yes that is without active handling on.

Since you tried to answer my question(in your second rant, not your first ditto), I respectfully will continue to respond to you.
You quest to lower weight will yes make a car faster in a straight line- but is that all yous ee to car about? By an old Mustang, it'll get you there faster and cheaper- don't believe me then race one and find out. I guess you did not absorb anything I wrote about weight on a vehicle. I will repeat- handling AND ride quality are all about weight ratio sprung-to-unsprung...period! Its where the weight is located on a vehicle is what matters along with the roll centers and roll axis.

Your talk of removing heavy seats is a negative thing in performance handling and ride comfort because you are removing weight in the best polar region of the car, in the center cockpit area between the wheelbase- as well as you are removing chassis sprung weight and making the vehicles ride ratio go lower. All in the quest to make a little 150 mph 4 banger a drag car and in the process you are reducing an already poor handling car to even worse statis.

I own 3 cars that will pull over 150 mph- one of them barely- and it has a much higher power to weight ratio and far better gearing then your little Mecedes 4 banger so you are preaching to the chior about your top speed myths. My little c220 will barely pull 110 witht he little 1:1 4th gear and I must say it is VERY unstable at that even @ 85 in a panic situation. I own a 1985 cadillac Eldorado that is more stable at 85 then this C220. The girlfriend wanted a Mercedes though, it was not for me so I bought her it- and with a few additions of coilvers and fabbed suspension links, I will make the car safer to 100mph for Vegas trips etc- but god no it wold never see a race track.

0-60 in 7 seconds isn't something I'd go around being proud of that. I have a 5000 lb worktruck that will do low 6 seconds- and my Porsche and 68 Vette will beat the crap out of that. I just recently drove a Katech Vette on the track(over 700hp claims) and my 68 Vette with 540 rear wheel horsepower(not flywheel HP) will be the snot out of that car- my Vette pulls 60 in 3 seconds, 3 mpg on a good day with Avgas(ouch) but never the less extremely quick and fast on a race course.

lastly, "removing weight from a vehicle."-

Some "Do's and Don't's for you. Removing weight high in the car is good. Removing weight at the polar extremities is good (Ie lightened bumper supports, your spare tire removal(don;t know what you plan to do if you get a flat? but it's your car and your problem- p.s. runflat tires handle like crap, it's well doncumented so don;t use them if you are looking for performance handling). Remove weight from wheel assemblies and suspension parts. Lightweight is key here for a higher ride ratio. I had a Camaro I built with 6piston 13" 2pc rotrs that was 4 lbs lighter each wheel assembly then the factory single piston 10.5" setup. It does not come cheap, but I ended up having a car(with various other moddifications as well) that pulled a 1.07g's on a skidpad and 60-0 braking in 102 feet on 220tw street tires- If those #'s mean anything to you you will understand those are incredible #'s even for a supercar.

Final note- It is well known that my typing skills suck- so harp on me all you want if its your only debate

don't tak shit about the amg lines handling, my 202 amg handles fine (euro c36) does have slight understeer but with some small mods investing 1k or les in suspension it handles pretty nice stable at high speeds, the c220d won't become a very good race car without lots of mods but that's not what the op is asking for, he wants to have some fun with the car and he might not be in the position to buy another car. Keep in mind he uses it as a family car. I would suggest to get a 2.5 5cyl or 3.0 6cyl diesel, or the 280/320 petrol engine, he could make the car more fun to drive if he would like to. btw to Vetruck try test driving a nice c36/43 wich doesn't have the suv usa sprongs lol and you might change your mind mine get's to 60 in about 5.5 not bad for a 96 car is it? did 170+mph in germany 170 at the gps, not the fastest car on earth but definetly a fun car to drive so what I want to clear out is that the 202 can be loads of fun

[michael6129]

Speedweek- Coronado Island, SanDiego 2010. I ran two AMG63's around the course on the military runway- a CLK, and E class. Both cars have decent power but both cars suck on handling. THey have the notorious Mercedes understeer and the front rubber goes to hell from overheating in a few laps- and yes that is without active handling on.

Since you tried to answer my question(in your second rant, not your first ditto), I respectfully will continue to respond to you.
You quest to lower weight will yes make a car faster in a straight line- but is that all yous ee to car about? By an old Mustang, it'll get you there faster and cheaper- don't believe me then race one and find out. I guess you did not absorb anything I wrote about weight on a vehicle. I will repeat- handling AND ride quality are all about weight ratio sprung-to-unsprung...period! Its where the weight is located on a vehicle is what matters along with the roll centers and roll axis.

Your talk of removing heavy seats is a negative thing in performance handling and ride comfort because you are removing weight in the best polar region of the car, in the center cockpit area between the wheelbase- as well as you are removing chassis sprung weight and making the vehicles ride ratio go lower. All in the quest to make a little 150 mph 4 banger a drag car and in the process you are reducing an already poor handling car to even worse statis.

I own 3 cars that will pull over 150 mph- one of them barely- and it has a much higher power to weight ratio and far better gearing then your little Mecedes 4 banger so you are preaching to the chior about your top speed myths. My little c220 will barely pull 110 witht he little 1:1 4th gear and I must say it is VERY unstable at that even @ 85 in a panic situation. I own a 1985 cadillac Eldorado that is more stable at 85 then this C220. The girlfriend wanted a Mercedes though, it was not for me so I bought her it- and with a few additions of coilvers and fabbed suspension links, I will make the car safer to 100mph for Vegas trips etc- but god no it wold never see a race track.

0-60 in 7 seconds isn't something I'd go around being proud of that. I have a 5000 lb worktruck that will do low 6 seconds- and my Porsche and 68 Vette will beat the crap out of that. I just recently drove a Katech Vette on the track(over 700hp claims) and my 68 Vette with 540 rear wheel horsepower(not flywheel HP) will be the snot out of that car- my Vette pulls 60 in 3 seconds, 3 mpg on a good day with Avgas(ouch) but never the less extremely quick and fast on a race course.

lastly, "removing weight from a vehicle."-

Some "Do's and Don't's for you. Removing weight high in the car is good. Removing weight at the polar extremities is good (Ie lightened bumper supports, your spare tire removal(don;t know what you plan to do if you get a flat? but it's your car and your problem- p.s. runflat tires handle like crap, it's well doncumented so don;t use them if you are looking for performance handling). Remove weight from wheel assemblies and suspension parts. Lightweight is key here for a higher ride ratio. I had a Camaro I built with 6piston 13" 2pc rotrs that was 4 lbs lighter each wheel assembly then the factory single piston 10.5" setup. It does not come cheap, but I ended up having a car(with various other moddifications as well) that pulled a 1.07g's on a skidpad and 60-0 braking in 102 feet on 220tw street tires- If those #'s mean anything to you you will understand those are incredible #'s even for a supercar.

Final note- It is well known that my typing skills suck- so harp on me all you want if its your only debate

don't tak shit about the amg lines handling, my 202 amg handles fine (euro c36) does have slight understeer but with some small mods investing 1k or les in suspension it handles pretty nice stable at high speeds, the c220d won't become a very good race car without lots of mods but that's not what the op is asking for, he wants to have some fun with the car and he might not be in the position to buy another car. Keep in mind he uses it as a family car. I would suggest to get a 2.5 5cyl or 3.0 6cyl diesel, or the 280/320 petrol engine, he could make the car more fun to drive if he would like to. btw to Vetruck try test driving a nice c36/43 wich doesn't have the suv usa sprongs lol and you might change your mind mine get's to 60 in about 5.5 not bad for a 96 car is it? did 170+mph in germany 170 at the gps, not the fastest car on earth but definetly a fun car to drive so what I want to clear out is that the 202 can be loads of fun

[cameron_1292]

keep your cool... we dont need any negativity like this. consider yourself being warned.

im cool lol it just pissed me off that we were here trying to help the kid and he comes out of nowhere and throws a few titles around and says negative things that dont matter. hes the one that started it not me/we just try and help people here we dont need negative comments like his

[cameron_1292]

Speedweek- Coronado Island, SanDiego 2010. I ran two AMG63's around the course on the military runway- a CLK, and E class. Both cars have decent power but both cars suck on handling. THey have the notorious Mercedes understeer and the front rubber goes to hell from overheating in a few laps- and yes that is without active handling on.

Since you tried to answer my question(in your second rant, not your first ditto), I respectfully will continue to respond to you.
You quest to lower weight will yes make a car faster in a straight line- but is that all you seem to car about? Buy an old Mustang, it'll get you there faster and cheaper- don't believe me then race one and find out. I guess you did not absorb anything I wrote about weight on a vehicle. I will repeat- handling AND ride quality are all about weight ratio sprung-to-unsprung...period. Its where the weight is located on a vehicle is what matters along with the roll centers and roll axis.

Your talk of removing heavy seats is a negative thing in performance handling and ride comfort because you are removing weight in the best polar region of the car, in the center cockpit area between the wheelbase- as well as you are removing chassis sprung weight and making the vehicles ride ratio go lower. All in the quest to make a little 150 mph 4 banger a drag car and in the process you are reducing an already poor handling car to even worse statis.

I own 3 cars that will pull over 150 mph- one of them barely- and it has a much higher power to weight ratio and far better gearing then your little Mecedes 4 banger so you are preaching to the chior about your top speed myths. My little c220 will barely pull 110 witht he little 1:1 4th gear and I must say it is VERY unstable at that even @ 85 in a panic situation. I own a 1985 cadillac Eldorado that is more stable at 85 then this C220. The girlfriend wanted a Mercedes though, it was not for me so I bought her it- and with a few additions of coilvers and fabbed suspension links, I will make the car safer to 100mph for Vegas trips etc- but god no it wold never see a race track.

0-60 in 7 seconds isn't something I'd go around being proud of that. I have a 5000 lb worktruck that will do low 6 seconds- and my Porsche and 68 Vette will beat the crap out of that. I just recently drove a Katech Vette on the track(over 700hp claims) and my 68 Vette with 540 rear wheel horsepower(not flywheel HP) will be the snot out of that car- my Vette pulls 60 in 3 seconds, 3 mpg on a good day with Avgas(ouch) but never the less extremely quick and fast on a race course. I own way too many vehicles- but use them all except for my current project a 1967 Cooper S RHD.

lastly, "removing weight from a vehicle."-

Some "Do's and Don't's for you. Removing weight high in the car is good. Removing weight at the polar extremities is good (Ie lightened bumper supports, your spare tire removal(don;t know what you plan to do if you get a flat? but it's your car and your problem- p.s. runflat tires handle like crap, it's well doncumented so don;t use them if you are looking for performance handling). Remove weight from wheel assemblies and suspension parts. Lightweight is key here for a higher ride ratio. I had a Camaro I built with 6piston 13" 2pc rotrs that was 4 lbs lighter each wheel assembly then the factory single piston 10.5" setup. It does not come cheap, but I ended up having a car(with various other moddifications as well) that pulled a 1.07g's on a skidpad and 60-0 braking in 102 feet on 220tw street tires- If those #'s mean anything to you you will understand those are incredible #'s even for a supercar.

Final note- It is well known that my typing skills suck- so harp on me all you want if its your only debate


Back to the original post of this kid asking about what to do with that c220 diesel? I stand by my first answer- I would recommend to him to save his money and in two years buy a better performing cart to hotrod. Keep the Mercedes for luxury and modify it that way- keep it classey (as the car is built for luxury)

listen i understand what your saying completly but you need to realize were not race car drivers here. no one really cares about ratios and shit like that. bottom line remove weight and you get a quicker car end of story. i understand you drive all these super cars that are faster than mine and idc. so yea im not bragging about 0 to 60 in 7 seconds its a damn heavy ass mercedes with a 4 cylinder. and ive hit 150 in it and yea it took like 40 seconds. idc i didnt buy it for that lol so yea your porsches will beat that. if i wanted a faster one id get a c36 or a c43 wich as you say yea may have over or understeer but its still an amazing car. not every car is perfect and im sorry for you if you look for that. but bottom line man the kid asked a simple question we gave him simple answers. i think we all know by now that you have experience but you dont need to go around saying in every post all the experience you have bragging about it. just give your 2 cents and thats it because you just come off as a cocky asshole and you dont need to, you seem knowledgeable and you could defiantly help people on here but not with that attitude.

[michael6129]

listen i understand what your saying completly but you need to realize were not race car drivers here. no one really cares about ratios and shit like that. bottom line remove weight and you get a quicker car end of story. i understand you drive all these super cars that are faster than mine and idc. so yea im not bragging about 0 to 60 in 7 seconds its a damn heavy ass mercedes with a 4 cylinder. and ive hit 150 in it and yea it took like 40 seconds. idc i didnt buy it for that lol so yea your porsches will beat that. if i wanted a faster one id get a c36 or a c43 wich as you say yea may have over or understeer but its still an amazing car. not every car is perfect and im sorry for you if you look for that. but bottom line man the kid asked a simple question we gave him simple answers. i think we all know by now that you have experience but you dont need to go around saying in every post all the experience you have bragging about it. just give your 2 cents and thats it because you just come off as a cocky asshole and you dont need to, you seem knowledgeable and you could defiantly help people on here but not with that attitude.
+1 this guy is a boss, lets stoptalking about Vetruck
and get back on topic.
Op post a pic please helps alot.

[cameron_1292]

Exactly. Man were not being hostile towordsyu I'm just saying we all know we don't have race cars lol we don't care though I mean that's cool all the cars you have driven it really is and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Now let's get over this and use your knowledge to help us all. And back to the op yea let's see some pics and help.

[cameron_1292]

Ok well I'm done. You know a lot of shit I know that but you come off as cocky because every post I've ever seen from you you have to state your back ground and.how.much you know. I'm not a middle aged man with money to blow so yea I like my "quick" 4 cylinder. Idc that I don't have a super fast Porsche or corvette or get to drive all these exoctic cars. You need to realize that that's hoe most of the people on here are. If you want more expensize car people go to another forum. but we have 202s for a reason, there cheaper and still nice to us so don't bash them when your on our website. We would appreciate your help with things but not if your going to go off all the time talking about how amazing you are

[C43inNC]

Plus, a C43 is faster then a standard 2013 C Class, and a Porsche Boxster stock. So it's whatever dude, you can spout knowledge all you like, but these cars CAN be easily faster then your average rice burner that most kids are driving.

[cameron_1292]

This poor kid just wants some help with his car. Let's all agree to disagree and go on with helping him

[C43inNC]

Not all Americans are like this my Albanian friend. lol.

[AlbanianC220]

707708 this is my car(sorry for the view,couldent take a near shoot)

[cameron_1292]

707708 this is my car(sorry for the view,couldent take a near shoot)

looks real good. as for now because its a family car i would just put wheels on it and maybe a simple intake. after you get it thats a different story.

[michael6129]

I agree with cameron get wheels, maybe the carlsson wheels 1/16 would fit in nicely with the colour,bbs le mans( get 17 or 18 wheels not bigger, this will slow you down and might rub when you lower the car. once the car is lowered it should be beautifull:) tail lights would be a nice mod for your car, w202 facelift smoked tail lights, or led's from ebay like http://www.ebay.com/itm/95-00-MERCEDES-BENZ-W202-SEDAN-RED-REAR-SIGNAL-TAIL-LIGHTS-REPLACEMENT-SET-/271072522877?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f1d2e727d&vxp=mtr, maybe this little sproiler http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAINTED-MERCEDES-BENZ-W202-C-CLASS-4D-SEDAN-REAR-TRUNK-BOOT-LIP-SPOILER-040-/360492477191?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53ef06ab07&vxp=mtr (got on of those on a c36 looks clean:)
headlights http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-00-MERCEDES-BENZ-W202-C-CLASS-CRYSTAL-HEAD-LIGHT-CORNER-PARKING-SIGNAL-CHROME-/150853747869?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231f95849d&vxp=mtr,

that's what I suggest shouldn't be to expensive mods.

[C43inNC]

First order of business: WASH THAT THING! lol.

[peter50]

Its depend on what's type car do you want? either you are looking for a car which should be for family use as well or you are looking for the car which have an executive look and splendid display. Or you are looking for the racing car.

I personally like to BMW 3series ride. That is really gorgeous.

[taz069]

All in all albanianc stick with vetruck on this. Yes their are a ton of way's to mod anything on wheels!! If money is no object then a car more specific to what you want may be a in suit. I'm 42 here and love my lil 96 c280. No need for a ton of mods in this toy. Great ride and good mileage on fuel. I do understand a first vehicle is a dream all the want to does and what is actually escental. Their won't be a friend that will say i can't ride with you!!!! Now a old fiat or chevy chevet that be a differnt story. Enjoy and hope you find some helpful insites here. Glad to have you as member.

[_Nick]

The only person making sense in this thread is Vetruck and he is absolutely correct about everything.

If you're going to mod your car, just do aesthetic mods to make you car look pretty. A drop, rims, body mods, lights, ect.

take it slow. Our cars arent very performance oriented. They are compact, entry level, luxury cars. Not weekend track cars.

mod your car for style and sex appeal. You drive a Benz. If you want to bang gears and have a nine million decibel exhaust, buy a honda.