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pnsji
11-11-2003, 08:10 AM
I had a chance to install a Nakamichi CD400 inside sf280's car which is 2000 C280 with bose system last weekend.

What you need to do installation without cutting your wires/harness inside a car:
VW Audio harness
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/vwharness.jpg
You could buy these in circuit city or best buy near you.

Once you get the harness, connect each wire correctly using the wiring diagram I posted here:
http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=19298

The result:

For '98 and later bose system and '94-2000 NON bose system
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/harness.jpg

For '94-'97 Bose system, you need a line converter. I used ven 4.5 in the past
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/harnesswithven45.jpg

After you are done with wiring, try to take out your OEM head unit with the

The tool:
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/tool.jpg

It should just clip in like in the climate control and you can pull:
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/cliptool.jpg

You need to unplug the wire, connect the harness and You also need a European antenna to universal adapters.

Once you are done, here is how it look:

Fitment
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/cd400closeup.jpg

Evening:
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/eveninglook.jpg

At night:
http://home.comcast.net/~sirwan/Pictures/cd400/nightlook.jpg

:cool:

sf280
11-11-2003, 05:04 PM
Damn that is a pimp stereo ;)

Oh, and it is a 99, not a 2000.


pnsji is the man on this, can not thank him enough. Sounds so much better than the stock headunit.

JRE320
11-11-2003, 05:05 PM
How did he get red on the cluster? :confused: ;)

sf280
11-11-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by JRE320
How did he get red on the cluster? :confused: ;)

It aint red - it is more of an orange - get those eyes fixed would ya :p

JRE320
11-11-2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by sf280
It aint red - it is more of an orange - get those eyes fixed would ya :p

O'k aint red. How did you get the orange flavor? :rolleyes: :confused:

jnolte
11-11-2003, 09:07 PM
Where can you get one of these Nakamichi CD400 players? Pnsji dot you have one in your car too? How much do they run?

Brabus
11-11-2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by JRE320
O'k aint red. How did you get the orange flavor? :rolleyes: :confused:

That the sport package one... White faces and orange...

pnsji
11-12-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by jnolte
Where can you get one of these Nakamichi CD400 players?
Pnsji dot you have one in your car too? How much do they run?

try www.ebay.com
I don't know how much they run. I just install the head unit.

I do not have the same model I have the previous model in the past:
http://gilbreth.ecn.purdue.edu/~nkumala/pnsji/misc/radar2.jpg

jnolte
11-12-2003, 11:08 AM
THanks, nice V1 too;)

sorbo
11-23-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by jnolte
Where can you get one of these Nakamichi CD400 players? Pnsji dot you have one in your car too? How much do they run?

the retail value is $800 but you can get them for $250ish on ebay.

The retail value comes from a few of the ads on ebay. i dont know if any high end audio stores list them differently, because 800 ($799) seems like a little much.

kendreze
11-24-2003, 08:15 PM
Big thanks to Pnsji for hooking my CD400 up. Looks great and sounds great. Thanks

babycarlsson
11-27-2003, 05:45 AM
I really like this unit, look at home in W202! Pnsji - great work man!

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vas2vas
11-28-2003, 10:38 PM
the cd 400 retails for about $349.... they mosty appear as "buy it now" option on ebay for $298 plus shipping......

pnsji
12-01-2003, 10:02 AM
Thank you! Thank you! :cool:

Maruzo
02-17-2005, 12:43 AM
Hi pnsji:

Excellent instruction on that 2000 c280 cd install. I have an 98 E320 with the Bose system, and have recently upgraded to a sony cdx-7705x cd/mp3 unit. I've connected the wires much the same way you did in your photos, but i've been getting a nagging hissing sound ever since the sony unit's hooked up.

It's a consistent hissing sound during silent moments when the unit's playing cd/mp3 discs. I've tried to tone down all the sound properties, but i'm still getting the hissing noises. The noise is prevalent even if i turned down the volume knob to the lowest level possible.

Another thing is the hissing is at the same volume level whether i've cranked the volume all the up or all the way down. I can accelerate without getting increased hissing level, which leads me to believe that the problem is not ground/ alternator related.

I've connected the usual blk ground, red pwr, yellow ignition, and blue amp lead wires to the corresponding wires from the factory harness. The only wire that was different was the orange illumination wire from sony's unit. I connected this orange wire to the illumination wire from the factory wiring harness.

I'm fresh out of ideas on how to attack this problem.

Thanks in advance!

Mars

blackbeard
03-30-2005, 10:46 AM
Can you please tell me if this is the same wiring harness needed for the Nakamichi CD-400 install? It looks the same but it has a side connection -- I just want to make sure.

Thanks!

http://pauls-space.zftp.com/bha1784s.jpg

pnsji
03-30-2005, 10:51 AM
it should work.

1998K
03-31-2005, 01:28 AM
Since I'm wondering about a new headunit (now I've a JVC top line of '99), please do you think I'll appreciate Nakamiki sound also without a suitable amplifier?

I'm actually very sactisfied of my JVC sound, with two 16" woofer in the front door, 2 tweeter (kit with relefant x-over), a coax in rear door plus a sub in the trunk (sub with a nice Harman Kardon CA240):)

Further how is FM reception of Nakamiki deck?... yes I know it's not the first reason you buy that kind of deck.


Plus, does the 1 to 6 push key (for the memorized broadcasting) come with illumination? Don't seems me from that photos.

Thanks a lot:)

swank
04-28-2005, 11:59 AM
I also purchased the vw harness and rewired it to the factory HU's specifications and it worked fine. Thats about your only choice other than purchasing one from autotoys.com or installer.com

Denlasoul
08-25-2005, 07:35 PM
Ok, so I just got a new HU and going to install it. I picked up a hi-lo converter and received it today. It is this model:
http://images.cardomain.net/products/per/PERSVEN4.jpg
With this thing in my hand it's HUGE! It's like the size of of two cassette tapes. Are their any smaller ones or is this typical of what a hi-lo conveter is like? Will this even fit? LOL

davis449
08-26-2005, 07:10 AM
That's about typical size, I picked up the VEN 4.5 for my failed install in my 95 and it was huge. I could've swore that this thread said you didn't need one for 98 and up models, but I could be wrong.

pnsji
08-26-2005, 03:03 PM
You need a Line converter instead of high low converter.

Denlasoul
08-26-2005, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by pnsji
You need a Line converter instead of high low converter.
Maybe I erroneously called it a hi-lo converter, but I think this can be used for addingan aftermarket HU to the stock bose (as it states here: Description (http://www.cardomain.com/item/PERSVEN4?ref=over11))

J Irwan
08-26-2005, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Denlasoul
Maybe I erroneously called it a hi-lo converter, but I think this can be used for addingan aftermarket HU to the stock bose (as it states here: Description (http://www.cardomain.com/item/PERSVEN4?ref=over11))



Dennis,

I think the one you have is different adapter all together.

The one you have will allow you to add additional Ampilifer.. via RCA connector. (this is assuming you want to use your stock Headunit which doesn't have RCA ouput).

The one pnsji means is the hi-low / line converter in which provide the ability to tweak the speaker output line from the aftermarket headunit to feed the OEM Bose Amp.



What you need is VEN 4.5
http://peripheralelectronics.com/periph_products/line_output_convert.htm


It also show in this diagram different usage for VEN 4 and VEN 4.5
http://peripheralelectronics.com/periph_products/cd_changer_autos/instructions/ven4_4.5.pdf


Looks like it might be discontinued.

However depending on brand headunit you might not this Line Converter unit.
So I would try to hook it up without it. And if does sound good the you need the hi-low/line converter.



Regardz,

davis449
08-26-2005, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by J Irwan
Dennis,

I think the one you have is different adapter all together.

The one you have will allow you to add additional Ampilifer.. via RCA connector. (this is assuming you want to use your stock Headunit which doesn't have RCA ouput).

The one pnsji means is the hi-low / line converter in which provide the ability to tweak the speaker output line from the aftermarket headunit to feed the OEM Bose Amp.



What you need is VEN 4.5
http://peripheralelectronics.com/periph_products/line_output_convert.htm


It also show in this diagram different usage for VEN 4 and VEN 4.5
http://peripheralelectronics.com/periph_products/cd_changer_autos/instructions/ven4_4.5.pdf


Looks like it might be discontinued.

However depending on brand headunit you might not this Line Converter unit.
So I would try to hook it up without it. And if does sound good the you need the hi-low/line converter.



Regardz,

This is what I was saying earlier, I don't think you need it. Just wire it it straight with the VW adapter and see what happens, yu should be fine. I hoioked it straight with my 99 and it works great.

Denlasoul
08-26-2005, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by J Irwan
Dennis,

I think the one you have is different adapter all together.

The one you have will allow you to add additional Ampilifer.. via RCA connector. (this is assuming you want to use your stock Headunit which doesn't have RCA ouput).
Hmmm. Well, this item has both RCA and an 8 line something (four speakers perhaps). It's weird, cuz the output end has both options. I can swap one for the other. It also has four dials I can use to tweak something (I was guessing that it is similar to what I have read in the numerous posts). Maybe I'll try without it first. Btw, I got a Nakamichi HU (a MB-VI).

edit: I just read from another website that the SVEN4 can be use as a line converter: Description 2 (http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/1583432/vpcsid/0/SFV/30046/sret/12131222121815220281210215226283214225218287218225 218291228223296227226237240239234237238233244235)

Denlasoul
09-02-2005, 02:08 PM
Ok, finally got my system in and sounds great. I did end up using the SVEN4 as a line converter, and works well. It was interesting to see how things sounded as I played with the adjustment levels.

I do have two aspects that I am wondering about:

1) pnsji, how did you get the Nak' HU fit so flush with the dash? Mine sticks out a bit, and would be great if I can get my nit to sit like that.

2) My HU is illuminated as soon as it's turned on. Is this normal? I guess I am used to the OEM HU to illuminate when I turned on the parking lights. Can my HU be wired up like that too? Did I miss something?

Thanks

sig425
09-04-2005, 01:38 PM
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-vlS1GB74AqN/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=11&g=751&I=142CMA02++

scosche makes a converter too.
Its used to convert most head units 4 ohms signals to older bose amp 2 ohm signals. i have no idea if the benz system is 2 ohm or not. But, I was under the impression that all bose systems were 2 ohm. Why does this matter? Well a nak deck is a high powered head, if you turn it all the way up, the bose amps might not like the power for long periods of use. they could burn out. As I said, i dont know enough about Benz systems to say for sure... but it is worth looking into.

sig425
09-04-2005, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Denlasoul

1) pnsji, how did you get the Nak' HU fit so flush with the dash? Mine sticks out a bit, and would be great if I can get my nit to sit like that.



The nak deck should have a bunch of mounting holes along the chasis that will permit you to slide it further into the mounting sleeve. On my older deck they were in a triangle so it could be mounted higher or lower. On my newer deck... they are in a straight line. If not, you could drill a hole in the sleeve where you want it and then run the screw through the new hole.

J Irwan
09-05-2005, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by Denlasoul
Ok, finally got my system in and sounds great. I did end up using the SVEN4 as a line converter, and works well. It was interesting to see how things sounded as I played with the adjustment levels.

I do have two aspects that I am wondering about:

1) pnsji, how did you get the Nak' HU fit so flush with the dash? Mine sticks out a bit, and would be great if I can get my nit to sit like that.

2) My HU is illuminated as soon as it's turned on. Is this normal? I guess I am used to the OEM HU to illuminate when I turned on the parking lights. Can my HU be wired up like that too? Did I miss something?

Thanks


D,

1.) Nakamichi will not sit flish with the trim. The stick out a little bit.
It is by design. A lot of newer headunit won't sit flush due to their dimension.

2.) This is because the illumination wires to the headunit is connected to the car's ACC wires. Which is more like preference to me. I always connect the headunit's illumination/dimm wires to the car's ACC wires. You could connect the headunit illumination wires to the cars's dimmer/illumination wires - if you do this when you turn the light the headunit will be illuminated.
(I tried this before, and what happened sometime depending on the weather and the amount of light I had a hardtime reading the display. That's why I connect my headunits illumination to the ACC wires.


Regardz,

chriswm
04-03-2007, 09:42 PM
Hey pnsji, any chance you could upload the photos from this tutorial to a new place? This tutorial would be very helpful.

adge_dre
02-23-2015, 04:01 PM
are the pictures removed from this thread?

jnolte
02-23-2015, 08:06 PM
are the pictures removed from this thread?

this thread is like from 2003!

wichipong
02-23-2015, 09:38 PM
this thread is like from 2003!

and last post on it before the question about pics was 7 years ago...

RemoLexi
02-24-2015, 07:42 AM
I never understood what the hype was about installing that old calculator in a 202.

adge_dre
02-24-2015, 07:59 AM
I know this is a 12 year old thread. I was just making sure it wasn't just me that couldn't see the pictures. It would have been really helpfull. I'm trying to install a head unit with my Bose system and I was told to refer to the nakamichi thread. To bad its way out dated

jnolte
02-25-2015, 12:15 AM
I know this is a 12 year old thread. I was just making sure it wasn't just me that couldn't see the pictures. It would have been really helpfull. I'm trying to install a head unit with my Bose system and I was told to refer to the nakamichi thread. To bad its way out dated

site crashed a while back and a lot of great info was lost unfortunatly