95 C36 AMG rear brake upgrade

[omegabenz]

Rumor has it that 95 c36 AMGs have w124 E420 brakes. If that is true, then 600SL brakes would probably fit back there.

Does anyone know for sure? Perhaps a measurement of the C36 bolt holes or something?

[redc36]

what i read online is that 95 c36 front brakes are from s600 and rear ones are from w124 500E. please someone correct me if i am wrong

[omegabenz]

I know for sure the Front brakes are a modified SL600 type caliper for 1995 which take a very expensive HWA202 rotor. 1996, and 1997 had different brakes as well, and they took a very inexpensive 210 part number rotor.

The w124 E500 has bigger rear brakes than the stock C36, that is why I think they are E420 w124 rear brakes.

[redc36]

can u figure out by the rotor size in the rear?

[J Irwan]

Originally posted by omegabenz
I know for sure the Front brakes are a modified SL600 type caliper for 1995 which take a very expensive HWA202 rotor. 1996, and 1997 had different brakes as well, and they took a very inexpensive 210 part number rotor.

The w124 E500 has bigger rear brakes than the stock C36, that is why I think they are E420 w124 rear brakes.


Austin

To my knowledge the biggest front rotor size for non AMG car including W124 E500 is 300mm

95 C36 has specific HWA 202 421 0x 98 part number front caliper and disc HWA 202 421 0x 12 (so it is W202 specific) and its has 320mm disc

96 and 97 C36 has universal part number A001 420 x383 for the front caliper and has a disc brake (A210 421 17 12) of 315mm


For the rear brake 95 C36 has vented rotor as 96 and 97 C36 has a solid disc. However the 96 and 97 some car has A129 (SL R129) part number.


Also Austin if you do a search you find out that 96 and 97 C36 brake rotor are shared with E430, E420, and other model as well.. ( I have posted on this forum ;) )


And FYI that 96 and 97 according to MB EPC has SL129 brake caliper, and if that's the case (95 C36 has rear caliper with A001 420 5x 83 part number)
Then E500 W124's rear brake should fit on 95 C36 rear (If the E500 brake will be straigh bolt on E420)

Hope this helps.


Regardz,

[omegabenz]

Originally posted by J Irwan
Austin

To my knowledge the biggest front rotor size for non AMG car including W124 E500 is 300mm

~~~~>1993 late, 1994 E500 has SL600 front brakes 320mmx32mm

95 C36 has specific HWA 202 421 0x 98 part number front caliper and disc HWA 202 421 0x 12 (so it is W202 specific) and its has 320mm disc

~~~~~>Yes I know this, they are more than 200 dollars each List.

96 and 97 C36 has universal part number A001 420 x383 for the front caliper and has a disc brake (A210 421 17 12) of 315mm

~~~~~>Yeah, 96,97 use a cheaper rotor, and the caliper does not have AMG etched into the metal.

For the rear brake 95 C36 has vented rotor as 96 and 97 C36 has a solid disc. However the 96 and 97 some car has A129 (SL R129) part number.

~~~~~>same part number for the disc or for the rear caliper? Which caliper?

Also Austin if you do a search you find out that 96 and 97 C36 brake rotor are shared with E430, E420, and other model as well.. ( I have posted on this forum ;) )

~~~~>Yes I know this, given the 96, 97 has a 210 part number on the rotor

And FYI that 96 and 97 according to MB EPC has SL129 brake caliper, and if that's the case (95 C36 has rear caliper with A001 420 5x 83 part number)
Then E500 W124's rear brake should fit on 95 C36 rear (If the E500 brake will be straigh bolt on E420)

~~~~>hmm, What about the 95? 96, 97 has the rear caliper from the E420 w124 right?


Hope this helps.


Regardz,


W124 E420, W124 500E, W124 E500, R129 SL600 is the progression of the size of caliper and rotor on these above cars. I was to figure if I can bolt a set of R129 SL600 rear caliper/rotor set to the back of a 1995 C36.

[J Irwan]

Here is the complete info on C36's brake just incase


95 C36
Front caliper HWA 202 421 01 98/HWA202 421 02 98 MSRP @$1090
Front disc HWA 202 421 01 12/HWA 202 421 02 12 MSRP @$175
Rear caliper 000 420 82 83/000 420 83 83 MSRP @$298
Rear Disc 124 423 08 12 MSRP @59


96-97 C36
Front caliper 001 420 33 83/001 420 34 83 MSRP @$890
Front disc 210 421 17 12 MSRP @$117
Rear caliper 001 420 35 83/001 420 36 83 MSRP @$159
Rear disc 210 523 06 12 MSRP @$64

PS: that was my mistake on above post, apparently I was looking at the wrong part (so there is no A129 part on C36's brake :) )

And according to my EPC
the rear caliper of 95 C36 (000 420 82 83) is used on W124 E420 and W124 E500.
the rear disc of 95 C36 (124 423 08 12) is used on W124 E420 as well.


the rear caliper of 96-97 C36 (001 420 35 83) is used on SL320(r129), SL500(r129), CLk320, CLK430, E300 TurboDiesel(w210), E320(w210), E430(w210), E320 4 matic(w210)
the rear disc of 96-97 C36 (210 423 06 12) is used on C320(w203), CLK320, CLK430, E320 TDI(w210), E320(w210), E430(w210),E320 4-matic(w210), E430 4-matic(w210).



With that being said, I don't see why SL rear rotor won't bolt on to the rear of 95 C36 as the SL500 (r129 is the same part number with 96-97 rear caliper)
Now the rotor of SL might be different stories.

I checked that the rear rotor of E500 W124 is 129 423 02 12 .
So if the E500(w124) brake component (disc and caliper) bolt on to E420(w124) then it means that 129 disc will also bolt on to C36's as 95 C36 share rear brake rotor with E420(w124)


I hope this helps.


Regardz,



I can see why AMG quit putting AMG specific front brake part on C36 , is probably to lower production cost.

[omegabenz]

Cool, that helps a lot. I went through this before when I was trying to put C36 brakes on a 300E, it is not possible for the fronts, but it looks like all the rear brakes from C36s can switch around to w124 and R129 cars, as well as 202 cars.

With that being said, I think that SL600 rear brakes will go onto a 95 or any year C36. I can actually physically check this when I get some more time.

I am wondering if it is too much rear braking.

RE: Rear brakes
I think that E420 brakes are probably sufficient in the rear, but E500 / 96-97 C36 brakes would be a little better as the caliper is slightly bigger.

E420 brakes are like 300E brakes, just with a spacer in the middle of the caliper, thats what It appears to be.

[Rocky]

If it fits, are the master cylinders different between 1995/96 to 1997?

You have to factor in the other components of the braking system like brake lines and stuff when upgrading to a bigger set of brakes.

[black99]

Hey, save your money. A rear upgrade, unless its for the BLING effect is a waste of money. In aggressive braking, your rear brakes are doing about 20% of the work, due to the weight shift that braking causes. If your rears are 20% ase good as your front, which they are, then I wouldnt waste the money. Save that money for the front.

Just my 2 cents

Gary

[omegabenz]

Yeah, You are right, but I have an extra set of 600SL brakes.

[black99]

Oh, then by all means. Slap those babies on there.;)

Gary

[speedybenz]

I would also guess that the E55 or C43 rear brakes would also bolt up. Brandon at Kleemann has told me the SL600 rear brakes do bolt up.

What size and type are the SL600 rear brake caliper and rotor?

Do you have any pics?

Jeff

[omegabenz]

yeah I have some pics of my 600SL brakes. Just send me an email, and I will send the pictures back.

They are 300mm rear discs I believe, I dont know the width offhand.

[2phast]

For what its worth, the factory 1995 C36 lit states the front brakes are from the 600sl and the rears from the 500E. It also states the trans from the 500E is used in the C36 as well

[omegabenz]

Originally posted by 2phast
For what its worth, the factory 1995 C36 lit states the front brakes are from the 600sl and the rears from the 500E. It also states the trans from the 500E is used in the C36 as well

It may say that, but that is probably for the european C36s, which were two years down the production line already.

The US 1995s that I have seen have a modified 600SL front brake set up with the AMG logo embossed into the caliper.

The 1995 rear brakes are definately 1994 E420 W124 brakes. I think that the 1996 C36 rear brakes became the 500E rear brakes.

[chuni959]

So if you have a 95 C36, you cant just throw a 95 SL600 front rotor on there? You need to buy the AMG specific part?

[omegabenz]

FYI, 95 C36 rear brakes are identical to 400E w124 rear brakes. The C43, and E55 (w210) had 600SL R129 rear brakes.

Just thought that I would post a definitive answer for if anyone was looking.

[jnolte]

Originally posted by omegabenz
FYI, 95 C36 rear brakes are identical to 400E w124 rear brakes. The C43, and E55 (w210) had 600SL R129 rear brakes.

Just thought that I would post a definitive answer for if anyone was looking.

yes you can also like i have put r129 silver arrow drilled rotors on a c43

[omegabenz]

Originally posted by jnolte
yes you can also like i have put r129 silver arrow drilled rotors on a c43

I just got my silver arrow rotors back from cryo. I also have silver arrow calipers F &R going on my w124. Then the 500E brembos and 600SLs are coming off.

[omeyhomey]

The best thing to do is get axxis ultima pads and stainless steel brake lines, that alone will make a world of a difference. True big brake kits are usually overkill and very expenisve. Hope that helps.

[omegabenz]

omeyhomey, you seem to be very reserved when it comes to mods. I can respect that, but I kinda like overkill. Its something to do.

Ok, R129 Late 334mm / 300mm set up on my w124 now. 600SL 300mm available for upgrade for w202.

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