how low is too low

[coroner]

I have been back and forth with what to do with the suspension on my 97.. it began with wanting simple H&R springs then progressed to concidering the club kit... after attending a rather large car show in West Palm Beach recently where almost everything was on bags, I got the itch. i like the lowered look, but with bags i can get full control of ride level at anytime. i have seen at least one bag setup on a 202 and it looked pretty clean. hell, theres even a bagged white benz on the excentrix auto front page.. so go with 235.00 springs, spend 600 on a club kit or just blow 869.00 on a basic bag kit.. What should i do? Anyone have bags on their car? help me make up my mind lol...


www.excentrixauto.com (http://www.excentrixauto.com)

[JAY4]

I was trying to decide what to do as well, untill today. I like a car that handles like it's on rails, and actually never considered bags. I ended up buying a set of H&R springs--right after I bought them I came across a pretty good deal on an H&R cup kit, so I bought that as well. I guess I need to sell the H&R springs. Do you get really good handleing with bags?

[Luwin1026]

Low is good . . .

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QgANA!4TUJ7HSq6DVvZE9iZb!tzywCDJAVODNVZiousghlCdp PwFlOWm*ape3xZQFbUwNicYV3yfH*BPpvXOOw7za*rNZfiw61W id1Qgq2M/LuRolling.jpg

Sorry for the old pic - that was when my car was dumped

I hear that bags will kill your ride and handling abilities - if you are good w/ driving over bumps, driveways, etc., you can cut a coil off your springs without affecting ride/handling too much.

[C280 JR]

damn luwin, that is hella low....that cannot be the same set up as your last, if its not tell me what you did to get it that low

ELvir

[sanf]

if you can afford new tires constantly. .it will never be too low..

[ryhi]

damn luwin that is low!!! how did u drive around?? i had my front 2 cut half a coil and it didnt clear after i got my 18s!! i had to go from #1 pads to #3. everytime i would go over uneven road the wheel would rub againts the fenderwell!!

[Scotty-C190E]

Bags are for people who only care how their car Looks, and only while it's parked. Just get a cup kit or chop up your current springs...less expensive and easier to correct when you are tired of that look.

[shoebox]

"Bags are for people who only care how their car Looks"

What?

You have to be kidding me, right? You can tune the suspension by the amount of air in it. Think of it as a fully tuneable suspension without getting out of you car.

[Scotty-C190E]

Yes your right...if it's like the mega $$$ and advanced airmatic setup on the new Mercedes, which we aren't talking about. Believe me, most of the aftermarket ones are a waste of time unless you only show your car. There is room for tons of error in the cheaper designs. ie airbag leaks or the need for constant raising of the car while in motion because when it hits a bump it drops. I've heard tons of horror stories and the only people who are happy with them never drive their car unless it's to "cruise" around the hot import nights parking lot.

[coroner]

if you werent concerned with what your car looks like you would all be driving a 79 granada.. cmon.. we all know the 202 is not fast by any means... it sure as hell is not the best handling car in the world either.. i wouldnt waste my time asking you all to contribute your thoughts if i was gonna cheap out and cut the factory springs... if i was to go with the air bag system.. i would invest time to find the best one out there in my budget... a direct bolt in that will work well and last. i have no problem in spending the cash if its well worth getting what i want although the club kit looks awesome, i feel that a well designed air suspension is just one step better if its done right

[livin503]

just to answer your question "how low is too low"?

its not low enough till its layin door

cut that shit up!

the end.

:cool:

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by coroner
if you werent concerned with what your car looks like you would all be driving a 79 granada.. cmon.. we all know the 202 is not fast by any means... it sure as hell is not the best handling car in the world either.. i wouldnt waste my time asking you all to contribute your thoughts if i was gonna cheap out and cut the factory springs... if i was to go with the air bag system.. i would invest time to find the best one out there in my budget... a direct bolt in that will work well and last. i have no problem in spending the cash if its well worth getting what i want although the club kit looks awesome, i feel that a well designed air suspension is just one step better if its done right

Thank you. When will people realize they are not driving a Ferrari? If I had an AMG, yes I would not have put hydraulics on my car. But come on, this is a Mercedes C Class (and I have a C230 N/A for god's sake)! I want my car to drive like a Mercedes should, and it does! It also lays on the ground when I want it to :D People sometimes forget that these are LUXURY cars.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/trefive/Cinco%20de%20Mayo/DSC00226.jpg

[Green Lantern]

ur hydros rule, love it when its slammed on the ground and raised all the way up. try to 3 wheel motion the 230 yet?

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by coroner
cmon.. we all know the 202 is not fast by any means... it sure as hell is not the best handling car in the world either..

I'm sure there a few Member's who would beg to differ.

[rman]

argh i get so sick of people saying that bags ride like shit, can't handle, etc.

and no it doesn't have to be a million dollar MB airmatic setup either.

it's all about the install. bottom line. You can adjust your ride height, adjust your pressure.
Springs are mostly about ride height, shocks are mostly about dampening. Sure, the two components share functions to a degree, but ultimately that's what they do.

A properly setup air suspension can handle just as well as a static suspension. You still have your choice of shocks and sway bars.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by Green Lantern
ur hydros rule, love it when its slammed on the ground and raised all the way up. try to 3 wheel motion the 230 yet?

I don't want to risk it, my wheels are too wide (especially in the rear)

[Green Lantern]

oh well, still hot no matter what.

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
I'm sure there a few Member's who would beg to differ. Where's Jeff? ;)

I'll speak from experience here. Ride height has an incredible amount to do with how well the W202 handles; and it doesn't take too much to be "too low" and be beyond the point where the suspension's operation is effective and sharp. There's proper terminology that isn't really in my vernacular at this time so sorry I can't use proper wordsmithiness to explain it. Perhaps others can.

Being the only other person to run one of the most 'tunable' suspensions ever put on the W202, I will only say using the stock AMG tire size's outer diameter as a frame of reference, you want about 1 tight finger gap from tire to fender. If you click the left most link in my sig, that was too low for good handling. I could run the Penske shocks on 5 or 6 clicks (out of 6) compression dampening and it wasn't firm enough. I went from 800 lb./in springs to 950 lb/in springs and it wasn't firm enough. I was experiencing understeer on turn-in, and instability mid-turn with a easy ability to oversteer in the turn.

When I had the car raised with the turn of a bolt to give a 1 finger gap, having the shocks set on even just 1 or 2 clicks was providing a tight firm ride, with crisp handling, but still some mild understeer on initial turn-in in tight fast turns (I use this in winter to be compliant to pot-holes actually). Set the shocks on 4 or higher and turn-in was lightning fast ; no fight at all on the turn, quite the opposite actually. (I'm not mentioning rebound dampening which matters a great deal of course too)

I wish I remember the proper terminology and componentry to cite, but in lay-terms that even I can handle, just realize your suspension and steering geometry wasn't made to operate at maximum or even reasonable effectiveness beyond a certain level of 'lowness'.

I say this without basis of having ridden in a car equipped with bags, but I have great skepticism imagining that bags are ever going to compare to race springs and race shocks with proper tuning and a good alignment setup when the turns get tiiight. ;)

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by coroner
i wouldnt waste my time asking you all to contribute your thoughts if i was gonna cheap out and cut the factory springs... Also, re this statement. It's not that bad of a thing to do. Click me and have a read (http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=98486#post98486). And read down a few more messages to here (http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=98539#post98539) as to why and what effect. My apologies if you are well aware of this effect and disagree with doing it for another philosophical reason.

edit: fixed the 2nd URL

[!!!!!NJ Drive]

i honestly dont see the fasination of the slammed look...lowered some to get rid of the wheel gap is alright, but that scraping every incline shit gets old quick IMO

[undercover]

i agree with Denlasoul,

my 202 handles corners better than my mates c200 on bags, im on compressed springs with stock shocks, and before was riding on vogtlands, and lowering springs gave me hell of a body roll!
but, fair enough our cars arnt that fast but theres plenty of potential and space for performance. i kept up with a honda integra B18C which was modded out nicely, and im just in a c180 with a custom intake..?? :) im still happy, no need to drive fast all the times, dont wana die now do we?

[c280nz]

i dont mean to shoot a fello nz member in the foot, but im just even against a ek civic sir with the b16a. and thats in a manual c280, so either ur 180 is hella fast or the integ isnt a good driver :p

but yea when you get to low and take corners to fast and its a bit of a rough road the back starts floating around a bit :-)
in my view my car needs to come up a bit to handle a bit better, but hey handling isnt everything.... i like to go low and slow :-)

[undercover]

Originally posted by c280nz
i dont mean to shoot a fello nz member in the foot, but im just even against a ek civic sir with the b16a. and thats in a manual c280, so either ur 180 is hella fast or the integ isnt a good driver :p

but yea when you get to low and take corners to fast and its a bit of a rough road the back starts floating around a bit :-)
in my view my car needs to come up a bit to handle a bit better, but hey handling isnt everything.... i like to go low and slow :-)

ouchh lol, burning down in flames.... lol
nah its allgood logan..
just between you and me it was actually grandma driving the DC2.. white white rims :P haha jokes...
and i agree with you there, go low and slow :P hardoutt :P

[c280nz]

haha its all gud brother!
u dont even needa go fast in ur slamed out c, ud get hella respect in it just crusin :D
keep it real up in auks,
p.s u shud pester 23k and go round and see his car haha

[undercover]

Originally posted by c280nz
haha its all gud brother!
u dont even needa go fast in ur slamed out c, ud get hella respect in it just crusin :D
keep it real up in auks,
p.s u shud pester 23k and go round and see his car haha

yeah hardout! mad respect when im just cruisn along lol..
yeah pauls busy with work! lol he's organising a time sometime later on when hes not so busy with work for me to come down and have a look see, ill remember to bring the digital camera and ill post it up :P
just got my adjustable camber arms 2day yippyyyy !!!! :bunny: :p

[rman]

Originally posted by undercover
i agree with Denlasoul,

my 202 handles corners better than my mates c200 on bags, im on compressed springs with stock shocks, and before was riding on vogtlands, and lowering springs gave me hell of a body roll!
but, fair enough our cars arnt that fast but theres plenty of potential and space for performance. i kept up with a honda integra B18C which was modded out nicely, and im just in a c180 with a custom intake..?? :) im still happy, no need to drive fast all the times, dont wana die now do we?

how were your springs compressed?

Anyhow, you give no info on the bag setup, what shocks either of you are running, swaybars, etc. The only bagged 202 i know in NZ is bagged on SS RS5's with no shocks up front. I doubt that guy cares about handling.

Also, A b18c integra? is it a GSR or Type R? either one I doubt you'd even keep up with.
one is 170hp, the other is 190hp, probalby more in NZ. Those cars also weigh less than 2500 lbs.
You've got much less HP, and probably weigh in at 3300 lbs.

The B.S. meter is competing with the "Lack of Facts" meter.

-not trying to be a dick, but all this fallacious commentary makes me sick :cool:

[undercover]

Originally posted by rman
how were your springs compressed?

Anyhow, you give no info on the bag setup, what shocks either of you are running, swaybars, etc. The only bagged 202 i know in NZ is bagged on SS RS5's with no shocks up front. I doubt that guy cares about handling.

Also, A b18c integra? is it a GSR or Type R? either one I doubt you'd even keep up with.
one is 170hp, the other is 190hp, probalby more in NZ. Those cars also weigh less than 2500 lbs.
You've got much less HP, and probably weigh in at 3300 lbs.

The B.S. meter is competing with the "Lack of Facts" meter.

-not trying to be a dick, but all this fallacious commentary makes me sick :cool:

i sent my springs to Snells Springs where they heated up the springs then compressed it with a machine then treated it with a heat resistant coat. i compressed the rear springs 80mm from stock height, and 75mm on the front.(im not to sure how they compressed the spring but thats what the dude told me in lay-men terms...)

well i think its a B18C teg(or might just be vtec not doch.), but its not a gsr or a type r, it looked stock, lowered on white rims and had a muffler..soo pretty much N/A...

actually there is a few bagged 202's..they just dont post up any pics of their car.
theres a Silver 202 wagon on bags with the plate [SWTCHN]
theres [HUSSLR] (sold)
my mates one who he sold to another fellow.
heres a few links for bagged 202s in nz.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mercedes/auction-99699431.htm?p=4
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mercedes/auction-95715832.htm?p=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHD5QbCpM8

ill get more pics up with other 202s on bags..theres another few of my mates who have bagged mercedes and an old school mercedes on hydors with 15" wire rims..lol to gangster for me..

lol and i know your not trying to be a dick, at least you mentioned it, otherwise i would of thought soooo...lol but my bad neways for being lazy and typing it out properly! :) thanks for the feedback.. :P

[c280nz]

did u get speedy benz camber arms undercover?
i made my own:

http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7263&highlight=adjustable+camber+arms

[rman]

no worries man.

heating springs is really bad tho. It basically changes the charactaristics of the springs, killing hte spring rate.

Also, a non-vtec 1.8 honda engine is either b18a or b18b, the b18c1 is GS-R and b18c5 is type-r. They are all DOHC.

so basically you were running a 142hp car. a very light, 142hp car.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by rman
no worries man.

heating springs is really bad tho. It basically changes the charactaristics of the springs, killing hte spring rate.

Also, a non-vtec 1.8 honda engine is either b18a or b18b, the b18c1 is GS-R and b18c5 is type-r. They are all DOHC.

so basically you were running a 142hp car. a very light, 142hp car.

give me a civic with a B20a block and a B16b head, and I could have a lot of fun with it :)

[ryhi]

i torched my springs at a muffler shop.

[rman]

Originally posted by ryhi
i torched my springs at a muffler shop.

gangster! that's the O.G. way. it ain't good for the springs, but it's still O.G. status. I've seen jesse james do that to a "project vehicle" (i think it was the ford explorer trash truck)

[undercover]

Originally posted by c280nz
did u get speedy benz camber arms undercover?
i made my own:

http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7263&highlight=adjustable+camber+arms

umm have no idea, according to the guy i bought it off it was benzboys adjustable camber arms, the camber arms were on trademe and i had just stumbled onto it when i was at work! glad i found it cos i was thinking of forking out the money for speedybenz camber arms over the net but i scored these arms for $81 for 2! really really good buy ae! :P

[undercover]

Originally posted by rman
no worries man.

heating springs is really bad tho. It basically changes the charactaristics of the springs, killing hte spring rate.

Also, a non-vtec 1.8 honda engine is either b18a or b18b, the b18c1 is GS-R and b18c5 is type-r. They are all DOHC.

so basically you were running a 142hp car. a very light, 142hp car.

yeah i know heating springs isnt good but so is cutting springs! both ways their the same yeah know :P
my springs have finally settled and it actually sits at 90mm on the rear and 85mm on the front. its lower than i tought it would go so i think its time to chuck in some cups to raise it abit..

okay, so maybe he wasnt pushing his car to race me, he knows im slow, he knows i'll lose..so i guess he was giving me a chance? HAHAHA not really..ill just kick back and relax now :) economy mode.. no more thrashing of my car, not that i do it so often lol..

haha you look pretty O.G in your ride when you got caught for the traffic fine. nice photo :)

[undercover]

Originally posted by ryhi
i torched my springs at a muffler shop.

how long did that take?? and thats pretty ruthless haha :P

[ryhi]

took no more than 15 mins for all 4.

[undercover]

Originally posted by ryhi
took no more than 15 mins for all 4.

insane :eek: :cool: :bunny: :bandit:

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by undercover
yeah i know heating springs isnt good but so is cutting springs! Wow, we can't seem to excize this dis-info that always creeps in. (...dunno why I'm trying, but here I go)

Why would you say that? (re: cutting of course; cooking them being bad is not in dispute) If you don't have a spring with finished coils creating a platform @ the end (see what I use as an example in my speedybenz kit) but just the stock 202 coils that don't have a platform, a cut coil is -= 100% the same =- as an uncut coil, just with increased spring rate. The formula of "by how much" and examples is given in a link I provided a number of posts ago.

If say, you cut the spring to be an inch shorter and you -want- the rate to increase, you're not doing anything different then the manufacturer would if you wanted to spend the money to buy it from them with that 1" shorter dimension and having the increased rate you end up with by cutting the spring. ...100% the same thing!

Cut coils are 100% ok. Are you saying what you are saying based on sound engineering knowledge? Do you know the math behind it?

[rman]

Originally posted by c55m8o
Wow, we can't seem to excize this dis-info that always creeps in. (...dunno why I'm trying, but here I go)

Why would you say that? (re: cutting of course; cooking them being bad is not in dispute) If you don't have a spring with finished coils creating a platform @ the end (see what I use as an example in my speedybenz kit) but just the stock 202 coils that don't have a platform, a cut coil is -= 100% the same =- as an uncut coil, just with increased spring rate. The formula of "by how much" and examples is given in a link I provided a number of posts ago.

If say, you cut the spring to be an inch shorter and you -want- the rate to increase, you're not doing anything different then the manufacturer would if you wanted to spend the money to buy it from them with that 1" shorter dimension and having the increased rate you end up with by cutting the spring. ...100% the same thing!

Cut coils are 100% ok. Are you saying what you are saying based on sound engineering knowledge? Do you know the math behind it?

thanks! i didn't want to get into the debate, especially since you are much more articulate than I (articulate being my big word for 2007).

Also, springs are made in 1 huge coil at the factory, and then chopped up into the desired lenghts/coils. It's purely mathematical, unless heat is used to cut (i.e. cutting torch).

The best ways to cut a coil are either hacksaw (ouch) or chop saw. I used a die grinder, but took breaks and cooled the spring down if too much heat was generated.

[undercover]

Originally posted by c55m8o
Wow, we can't seem to excize this dis-info that always creeps in. (...dunno why I'm trying, but here I go)

Why would you say that? (re: cutting of course; cooking them being bad is not in dispute) If you don't have a spring with finished coils creating a platform @ the end (see what I use as an example in my speedybenz kit) but just the stock 202 coils that don't have a platform, a cut coil is -= 100% the same =- as an uncut coil, just with increased spring rate. The formula of "by how much" and examples is given in a link I provided a number of posts ago.

If say, you cut the spring to be an inch shorter and you -want- the rate to increase, you're not doing anything different then the manufacturer would if you wanted to spend the money to buy it from them with that 1" shorter dimension and having the increased rate you end up with by cutting the spring. ...100% the same thing!

Cut coils are 100% ok. Are you saying what you are saying based on sound engineering knowledge? Do you know the math behind it?

no i dont know the math behind it. but i have printed off the formula you posted :)
please explain more about heated springs?

[c55m8o]

It's a form or "annealing" (read the Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annealing_%28metallurgy%29)). Excerpt: Annealing, in metallurgy and materials science, is a heat treatment wherein a material is altered, causing damage to its properties such as strength and hardness. It is a process that produces conditions by heating and maintaining at a suitable temperature, and then cooling very slowly. It is used to induce softness, relieve internal stresses, refine the structure and improve cold working properties.

If the spring was heated and not immersed in a solution but cooled slowly in air, it is the "normalizing" heat treatment form of annealing. (The former method actually 'hardens' the exterior of metals.)

I don't think my springs need to be soften and reduce the strength and harness of them. But what the reader might realize when reading all this is, if the action wasn't done in a furnace to provide uniform heat over the entire surface and heat the volume of the material equally, but just hit with a torch in spots, the annealing will be 'spotty' as there's just no way each and every part of that spring was heated uniformly. I surmise that would definitely lead to shearing forces occuring -within- the spring coils existing between the boundries of the spring that were softened through annealing an not softened as much by not having received as high a heat treatment. ...could break.

You may 'want' a softer spring though. And controlled annealing in a furnace would be the way to do it. (you just really don't know what spring rate you'll be getting in any case). I personally just think taking a torch to a spring would be a very inferior way to do it vs. doing it in a furnace. It definitely would result in a non-uniformly altered spring having soft and hard spots throughout both the surface and volume, with additional sheering stresses produced at those boundaries vs. the lower stresses throughout the material annealing is supposed to produce.

[undercover]

Originally posted by c55m8o
It's a form or "annealing" (read the Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annealing_%28metallurgy%29)). Excerpt: Annealing, in metallurgy and materials science, is a heat treatment wherein a material is altered, causing damage to its properties such as strength and hardness. It is a process that produces conditions by heating and maintaining at a suitable temperature, and then cooling very slowly. It is used to induce softness, relieve internal stresses, refine the structure and improve cold working properties.

If the spring was heated and not immersed in a solution but cooled slowly in air, it is the "normalizing" heat treatment form of annealing. (The former method actually 'hardens' the exterior of metals.)

I don't think my springs need to be soften and reduce the strength and harness of them. But what the reader might realize when reading all this is, if the action wasn't done in a furnace to provide uniform heat over the entire surface and heat the volume of the material equally, but just hit with a torch in spots, the annealing will be 'spotty' as there's just no way each and every part of that spring was heated uniformly. I surmise that would definitely lead to shearing forces occuring -within- the spring coils existing between the boundries of the spring that were softened through annealing an not softened as much by not having received as high a heat treatment. ...could break.

You may 'want' a softer spring though. And controlled annealing in a furnace would be the way to do it. (you just really don't know what spring rate you'll be getting in any case). I personally just think taking a torch to a spring would be a very inferior way to do it vs. doing it in a furnace. It definitely would result in a non-uniformly altered spring having soft and hard spots throughout both the surface and volume, with additional sheering stresses produced at those boundaries vs. the lower stresses throughout the material annealing is supposed to produce.

okay, as far as i know the guys who compressed my springs for me (Snell Springs) have heat treating equipment, they actually make springs. they heat the spring up, then they are able to move the spring carefully without damaging it and thus compressing the spring. Then going through another process which hardens them again. in this case the springs properties havent been slightly modified. i was talking to the guy just before and he tells me that tourching the spring is softing the spring, what he's done to my spring is that he hasnt soften'd it hes just lowered my springs with the same hardness of the spring.
i couldnt catch everything he said..but yeah phew..it was a real handful.
btw, how'd you know so much about properties of metal? and spring rates? :) its good that you know, and pass you knowledge on..:P

[undercover]

oh c55m8o
i was ment to ask, are you for heating springs or against? cos im abit confused :P

[c55m8o]

That description of how you had it done certainly sheds a lot of light on that. I'm guess I'd say I'm "for" that, if you're looking to go just 'lower' w/o increase in spring rate; I'd be thoroughly against it if it was 'torched'. ;)

What I wonder about however with compressing it that way is if you'll bind the springs sooner. If you went with another spring that has the same rate but is just shorter, you'd have less coils, and thus more compression travel from equilibrium before binding. If you hear 'bonging' from your springs, that's the coils hitting each other and basically 'bottoming out' (i.e. binding). Dunno; just a thought.

...well, I'm either @ my 1/2-way point in life or beyond that in age, and a pretty 'technical' guy, and am always looking to learn. Internet's been great for that. But got started with working in my dad's machine shop from my early teens, where he designed and built plasitc bagging and sealing machinery. He was an imigrant who escaped communism in the 50's and who truely lived the American dream (and curse, including dieing early right after retirement) and I started off by picking a lot up from him my 1st 2 decades on this earth. :cool:

[undercover]

Originally posted by c55m8o
That description of how you had it done certainly sheds a lot of light on that. I'm guess I'd say I'm "for" that, if you're looking to go just 'lower' w/o increase in spring rate; I'd be thoroughly against it if it was 'torched'. ;)

What I wonder about however with compressing it that way is if you'll bind the springs sooner. If you went with another spring that has the same rate but is just shorter, you'd have less coils, and thus more compression travel from equilibrium before binding. If you hear 'bonging' from your springs, that's the coils hitting each other and basically 'bottoming out' (i.e. binding). Dunno; just a thought.

...well, I'm either @ my 1/2-way point in life or beyond that in age, and a pretty 'technical' guy, and am always looking to learn. Internet's been great for that. But got started with working in my dad's machine shop from my early teens, where he designed and built plasitc bagging and sealing machinery. He was an imigrant who escaped communism in the 50's and who truely lived the American dream (and curse, including dieing early right after retirement) and I started off by picking a lot up from him my 1st 2 decades on this earth. :cool:

haha okay cool cool, well im glad that you've introduced me to this part of science! im real interested in it now and surfing wikipedia and google on anything to do with suspension and forces and what not i can think of, guess the more i read the more i'll learn!

He was an imigrant who escaped communism in the 50's and who truely lived the American dream (and curse, including dieing early right after retirement)
:( :(

[undercover]

this is to low.

http://a256.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_40836757174d4428c07aa950f7fce147.jpg

[c280nz]

i love those rims!
brabus i beleive?

[undercover]

Originally posted by c280nz
i love those rims!
brabus i beleive?

yuppp sure is :)
hows your ride going bro?

[Chris_c200]

Are those mags exactly the same as mine cept bigger??
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mercedes/photos/a-103423490/p-41998907.htm
Sorry im new and dont know how to actaully put the pic in the reply =S

[undercover]

Originally posted by Chris_c200
Are those mags exactly the same as mine cept bigger??
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mercedes/photos/a-103423490/p-41998907.htm
Sorry im new and dont know how to actaully put the pic in the reply =S

ahhh they look the same...those on the wagon are 18's
just look bigger cos the car is sitting on the ground lol..:P

[Chris_c200]

Do you know what the mags are off? I havent seen them on any other mercs aye.
Your from aux aye? i swear iv seen ur wagon around its mint bro!

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Do you know what the mags are off? I havent seen them on any other mercs aye.
Your from aux aye? i swear iv seen ur wagon around its mint bro!

lol, nah bro thats not my wagon thats my cuzzie dave's wagon. he lives on the shore. he just got it bagged ae..its minttt :P
click on my name underneath this comment and it takes you to my pics of my ride.

[Chris_c200]

Tru yea its about as nice as they come. Whats ur merc lowered on?

[undercover]

Originally posted by Chris_c200
Tru yea its about as nice as they come. Whats ur merc lowered on?
compressed stock springs, 80mm on the rear and 75mm on the front. shorten'd shocks, adjustable rear camber arms :D althought the springs have settled and ahh its gone more than 80mm on the rear... LOL..
you got a nice c class..love the body kit..

[Chris_c200]

My bad just read about ur ride on tht site. Do u hav troubles wit the cops bein so low? my mate had a blue c220 and he got stickerd a couple of times bein about as low as yours

[Chris_c200]

Cheers bro. I dont really want to sell it aye.. I just dont want the student loan.. I should just sak it. Mite cut my spare set of springs just worried abt gtn pikyd

[undercover]

Originally posted by Chris_c200
My bad just read about ur ride on tht site. Do u hav troubles wit the cops bein so low? my mate had a blue c220 and he got stickerd a couple of times bein about as low as yours

lol, nahh not really ae..just depends where you go...i havent been pink'd or green sticker'd yet..(touch wood) lol

[undercover]

Originally posted by Chris_c200
Cheers bro. I dont really want to sell it aye.. I just dont want the student loan.. I should just sak it. Mite cut my spare set of springs just worried abt gtn pikyd

lol compress your springs, dont cut them lol..you can compress to the height you want it ae. but up to you, if you need a hand taking out your front springs give me a holla lol, i got a mate how works at coutts and i borrow their tool to lower and raise my ride when i need to get a W.O.F. lol takes 20mins to change all your springs around :P

[Chris_c200]

I was goin 2 compress but mag and turbo were like... ok thatl be $400. wher did you get urs done?

[Chris_c200]

20mins for all springs! wow it took us 30mins to lower just the back and we thought we quick as.

[undercover]

snells springs. lol thats where mag and turbo would take your springs to anyways..lol their located behind hyper tyres. cost me ahhh...under 250 to do all four springs..i think? cant remember. you might wana give em a call. look up in the white pages under snell springs.
haha yeah man, the wonders of air tools and the luxuary of using german technology. i'll take a pic of the tool that i used to take out my springs :) its really interesting, made by mercedes for mercedes :D

[Chris_c200]

Is that guy u knw from Coutts called Joe? hes like 19. I dont think ill bother wit my springs since iv already bought lowering ones i cant b bothered spending anymore aye. btw those are nice mags man!

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Is that guy u knw from Coutts called Joe? hes like 19. I dont think ill bother wit my springs since iv already bought lowering ones i cant b bothered spending anymore aye. btw those are nice mags man!

ahh nope not joe, i think i know who your talking of :P lol..i think? duno might be wrong..
thanks, they were a score ae..was soo lucky to find em second hand :), i found some brabus monoblock ones but they couldnt fit my car cos they were to wide...SUCK! had to sell em off..
yeah man no probs ae i understand where your coming from, i spent so much money on my suspension to..lol pay after pay and petrol going up ah so much bullsh*t! :P
but in the end it's come together nicely :D
you running any sounds in your 202?

[Chris_c200]

Yea man its frustrating as. Sounds.. haha iv had heaps of different sounds in it. none at the mo tho. Had 2 12's then I had a 15' and then just one 12 but yea. Im putting in two 10's and a kenwood amp just to help it sell aye just cant find my amp anywhr.. What sounds are u running? brabus 18s! daam they wudv been hard to part with!

[undercover]

Originally posted by Chris_c200
Yea man its frustrating as. Sounds.. haha iv had heaps of different sounds in it. none at the mo tho. Had 2 12's then I had a 15' and then just one 12 but yea. Im putting in two 10's and a kenwood amp just to help it sell aye just cant find my amp anywhr.. What sounds are u running? brabus 18s! daam they wudv been hard to part with!

yeah pick'd em up from hyper second hand, MINT CONDITION!! nothing wrong with em just the owner didnt want em and didnt know what it was! he said "brabus?, is that like AMG or something?" hahahahaha pick'd em up for $1500 and then spend more money getting tyres and then flick'd em for $2200 to this dude in hamilton..
yeah had i had in the start 2 sony 12" with a 1200Watt mono block then sold that to my mate, then i ran another sony, with a JBL MONO amp, pumping out 850RMS!..lol blew up the 12" hahahahahahah...now running a alpine 15" type R..shit this thing goes so loud.. had to change the battery to a deep cycle, keep the lights from dimming :P

[Chris_c200]

Intense man i cant afford sht like that aye haha hey are u using pads at all in ur suspension? i took mine out wen i lowered it.

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Intense man i cant afford sht like that aye haha hey are u using pads at all in ur suspension? i took mine out wen i lowered it.

lol nahh picked up the sub for 200 off trademe, and the amp is my mates but his car is still on jacks..its not finished, trying to get his engine sorted, soo the amp is collecting dust and...i need a amp hahahah :P
yeah took mine out, but i was thinking i might but #1 pads in, but nahhh i like being low :D

[Chris_c200]

Nice there are some mean deals on there aye. I used to drive an accord and had 2 12" viberant subs in ther. I picked them up with an amp for $81!! yet to find a better deal haha whats the point in the pads anyway the springs dont squeak or anythn wen im drivin... hey you dont happen to know any auto uposlterers do u? my roofs sagged and everywhere wants to charge me 350!

[undercover]

Originally posted by Chris_c200
Nice there are some mean deals on there aye. I used to drive an accord and had 2 12" viberant subs in ther. I picked them up with an amp for $81!! yet to find a better deal haha whats the point in the pads anyway the springs dont squeak or anythn wen im drivin... hey you dont happen to know any auto uposlterers do u? my roofs sagged and everywhere wants to charge me 350!

um this dude in south aucks..he does a real GOOD JOB! butt i dont know his contact i'll have to ask my mates, he doesnt charge heaps cos its a home job thing but hes got all the tools..he's opening a shop in his garage soon or something, but hes done a few show cars? :P

[Chris_c200]

Thanks man is urs classic or elegance? all the elegances seem to get sagged roofs at sum stage.. home jobs allll good. Haha a shop in his garage? mean idea.

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Thanks man is urs classic or elegance? all the elegances seem to get sagged roofs at sum stage.. home jobs allll good. Haha a shop in his garage? mean idea.

yeah hardout aee,mines a classic lol, wish i had a elegance :D beggers cant be choosers :P
i'll get back to you with the details later on, i've txtd my mates soo yeah :D

[Chris_c200]

Id rather have a classic haha. My leather isnt tht great. Dont classics have electric seats aswel? mines non-electric... :( swt as man no hurry I dont get paid for 2 weeks haha.

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Id rather have a classic haha. My leather isnt tht great. Dont classics have electric seats aswel? mines non-electric... :( swt as man no hurry I dont get paid for 2 weeks haha.

lol same here, i get paid fortnightly! suucksss
nahh mines non electric, its allgood :P manually lift my seats up haha

[Chris_c200]

Lol yea make them bucket! does your air-con work? mine doesnt go hot :( only cold its like wtf.. Have you had many problems wit ur 202 with the ks its done?

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Lol yea make them bucket! does your air-con work? mine doesnt go hot :( only cold its like wtf.. Have you had many problems wit ur 202 with the ks its done?

nah A/C is allgood in my car..lol :P
umm well
not really major problems..
engine mounts
ahhh
fan belt..
alternator..
thats about it
:D
same engine same parts same gearbox
just done 348,000 kms :D hehehehehe
still goes strong, for a 1.8 HAHAHA :P

[Chris_c200]

Man ur lucky aye. Its cold as in the mornings :( ur 202 must have been taken pretty good care of by past owners to be living and going hard aye. The last owner of mine neglected it iv had to like fix it up. My wiper used to sit like 8" up rite in my view! is ur imported or NZ new?

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Man ur lucky aye. Its cold as in the mornings :( ur 202 must have been taken pretty good care of by past owners to be living and going hard aye. The last owner of mine neglected it iv had to like fix it up. My wiper used to sit like 8" up rite in my view! is ur imported or NZ new?

lol we're the first owners, it was my mums but i bought it off her. lol its still a new zealand new car, we've had it since like forever haha bought it brand spanking new :)
ive tookn care of it alot like oil change and regular check ups, checking for any problems in the engine bay, cleaning it alot! lol..
no problems on starting in the cold mornings, just starts like normal :P lol
just get some motor up it REALLY REALLY helps ae lol

[Chris_c200]

Bro you cant beat that ae thats effectively one onr since new! what wer 202's worth back in the day? as in like brand new?

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Bro you cant beat that ae thats effectively one onr since new! what wer 202's worth back in the day? as in like brand new?

lol, think we picked it up for like around $39 thousand?..shit man thats alot of money ae..and now its like worth not even 5grand..lolhahahahhahahha
but hay my parents bought the car and theyve moved on now with ALOT better cars..lol..

[Chris_c200]

5 grand!? u cud get atleast 6 for urs bro its mint. What do ur parents drive? bro.... my uncles got an 04 black e55 amg ... v8 Kompressor. I get to drive it one of these days. I drool ova that ae haha

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
5 grand!? u cud get atleast 6 for urs bro its mint. What do ur parents drive? bro.... my uncles got an 04 black e55 amg ... v8 Kompressor. I get to drive it one of these days. I drool ova that ae haha

oh mann droolll...minttt i love the E class ae!
my dads got the new BMW 330i and mums got the ML500 going..lol soo wana put 22's on the ML :P
i drove my uncles M5 beginning of the year..shit man i scared myself! that things insane! heheh theres a M5 button you push and everything goes back to standard as in back to 450BHP! WTF!

[Chris_c200]

Nice cars! i have a bmw family aswel ae.. we hav 2 3 series like the 96 shape. My lil bro drives a beema haha gve hm sht abt tht. 22's haha tht wud b gangsta as. OMG WTF! 450bhp! M5's are nice as, thats like even wit the e55 ae? how many secs 1-100? the e55 is 4.7 and iv been in it trying that out. Its crazy aye.

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Originally posted by Chris_c200
Nice cars! i have a bmw family aswel ae.. we hav 2 3 series like the 96 shape. My lil bro drives a beema haha gve hm sht abt tht. 22's haha tht wud b gangsta as. OMG WTF! 450bhp! M5's are nice as, thats like even wit the e55 ae? how many secs 1-100? the e55 is 4.7 and iv been in it trying that out. Its crazy aye.
haha yeah would be the same i think? but shit man it takes corner sooo nicely!!! lol yeah 22's would be gangs but nah mum would kill me if i touched her car lol haha :Panyways bro im outskies time to leave work
i'll let you know about the interior dude
churrr

[Chris_c200]

Swt as thanks man. Yea im not allowed to d-spring my mums :( haha later bro

[C280 JR]

everybody quit arguing like bunch of panzies..and post more slammed pics

Elvir