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heman
07-22-2004, 03:43 PM
ok does anyone know anything about diesels here everyone in th eworld seems to be driving a c180 or c230 and u know something iv been trying to make my car faster since day one and iv noticed considerable changes doing a few things,
1. full service and replacing oil with castrol GTD Magnatec
2. changed the air sensor on air pipe elbow to a brand new one i recomend u do this if you car is more than 5 years old as the old sensor gets covered in crap and the new one makes so much difference and for like 7 pounds and vat thats nothing about £10 In total,
and by the way on the way back after i changed my sensor theres another guy around my area with a c240 stock it must be because we raced that same day because we always look at each others c classes and i thrashed him hahahahaha round the roundabout i took him and then on the dual carriage way he was two car lengths away and i kept it all the way like that till 90mph hahahah just funny cause since then iv never seen him he must be doing some serious mods to rip my diesel to bits by the way after all of this my diesel hasnt got a turbo believe it or not but its a manual and i scrape each gear to the edge, now someone named jason here is selling a turbo for a c220 but i dont know whether that fits my diesel everyturbo building specialist in england says they cant fit a turbo on my merc half of them are just scared to touch a merc and the rest well i think they just dont want the hassle, so if someones got any ideas because theres one thing really getting to my nerves and those are beemas and all these new 330d and ci beemas are beating me just not fair and my car looks so good just not fair so lads help me out man im stuck without more power, any ideas welcome except nitrous, ill explain why some other day, thanks p17.jpg

Renn 208
07-22-2004, 04:45 PM
I'd have 3 suggestions.

1. Custom propane injection (although you did mention that it's a non-turbo, so that might be a no-go)

2. Don't slow down in the curves as much;)

3. Trade up to a faster car.

Of these suggestions I'd say that 2's the best option, followed closely by 3.

Paul
07-22-2004, 06:49 PM
I once had a 2L turbo diesel,added more fuel,ran 15psi,big intercooler,big exhaust,custom force fed cold intake.spent 12k on it.my mates 16OO non-vtec honda still went faster.I must say benz does make good desiel,my old man has the latest CDI,it goes very well,but my 230K rips it!! if you wont performance plus I would trade for petrol.;)

heman
07-23-2004, 03:36 PM
well thanx alot lads i guess thats all for my diesel then....i guess its just a good looker and does a 100 miles to ten pounds which is good for england, anyway thanks again i was even thinking about in the long term installing a c220cdi engine but now u said u ripped it with ur c230k which is hard to believe but it must be true im startin to lose faith in mercedes diesels although the trucks and vans weve got are excellent, anyway thanks again keep me posted if u know anything else

Paul
07-23-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by heman
well thanx alot lads i guess thats all for my diesel then....i guess its just a good looker and does a 100 miles to ten pounds which is good for england, anyway thanks again i was even thinking about in the long term installing a c220cdi engine but now u said u ripped it with ur c230k which is hard to believe but it must be true im startin to lose faith in mercedes diesels although the trucks and vans weve got are excellent, anyway thanks again keep me posted if u know anything else

I know the sedan desiel goes alot better.(still not as fast as my 230K)
The CDI i was talk'n about was the 2.8 5-cylinder turbo (M class i think),i would like the massive intercooler on it!!.they go very well,
great economy!,we also had a 300D,which was gutless.all-in-all,if you want performance desiel,think big displacement and a turbo,If that fails go petrol.

Under Pressure
07-23-2004, 08:50 PM
Though I am not one to give up, I would say that a non-turbo C220 diesel really has no hope to go much faster.

I would just appreciate it for what it is, or just trade it in for a quicker car (maybe a C230K).

Edit - What does this have to do with interior upgrades :p . I guess you could strip out your interior for weight reduction to go faster :D

heman
07-24-2004, 12:13 PM
ok look under pressure i know my query has nothing to do with interior upgrades but if u noticed iv only joined this month and im just getting to hangs with the site and ontop of that i was looking thru interior as im just installing full beige leather interior with creased door cards in my c class and i was looking for tips because iv used e class sun flaps for the front windows with the lights in them and the open up mirror and am going to fit lots of stuff more like the mirror with the lights in it and all sorts but i thought id ask u on performance and i was here so i did but cutting it short under pressure tell me besides stripping the interior have u got any real suggestions because i believe in sitting on seats and driving but i dont know about u? but however it is just think about it and tell me if u have because i just got done today by another ci bmw 330 ci im sick and tired of it now i was thinking u know the new c class its got a turbine powered supercharger built onto the enging and iwas thinking that should do it if i installed that, its like the new 311 cdi sprinter van its a 2,2 engine and its so fast even when loaded when its empty it runs that van so quick im thinking the 2.2 in the car tuned well with the supercharger might be my best bet but i lost myu hope then when that guy said his dad had one but ur talking about the e300 thats the old endgine like in the new w202 shape but im talking abt the engine out of the w203 shape if anyone knows more about it pls keep me posted thanks

Paul
07-24-2004, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by heman
ok look under pressure i know my query has nothing to do with interior upgrades but if u noticed iv only joined this month and im just getting to hangs with the site and ontop of that i was looking thru interior as im just installing full beige leather interior with creased door cards in my c class and i was looking for tips because iv used e class sun flaps for the front windows with the lights in them and the open up mirror and am going to fit lots of stuff more like the mirror with the lights in it and all sorts but i thought id ask u on performance and i was here so i did but cutting it short under pressure tell me besides stripping the interior have u got any real suggestions because i believe in sitting on seats and driving but i dont know about u? but however it is just think about it and tell me if u have because i just got done today by another ci bmw 330 ci im sick and tired of it now i was thinking u know the new c class its got a turbine powered supercharger built onto the enging and iwas thinking that should do it if i installed that, its like the new 311 cdi sprinter van its a 2,2 engine and its so fast even when loaded when its empty it runs that van so quick im thinking the 2.2 in the car tuned well with the supercharger might be my best bet but i lost myu hope then when that guy said his dad had one but ur talking about the e300 thats the old endgine like in the new w202 shape but im talking abt the engine out of the w203 shape if anyone knows more about it pls keep me posted thanks

na dude, i was talkn bout the 2.8 turbo desiel M-class my old man had(2004).we also had an older 300D(very slow).hope this cleares that up.if you put a 2.8 turbo in your c-class it would go quit well!,if it ever fits!!just get a C230K 0r sumfin:) :) :)

Paul
07-25-2004, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Paul
na dude, i was talkn bout the 2.8 turbo desiel M-class my old man had(2004).we also had an older 300D(very slow).hope this cleares that up.if you put a 2.8 turbo in your c-class it would go quit well!,if it ever fits!!just get a C230K 0r sumfin:) :) :)

correction,its a 2.7 turbo desiel(120kw),the 2004 c-class cdi has the same size engine with 125kw(at engine),big torque though.
my 97 230K was dyno'd at 130kw at wheels,so if you were to fit
lastest cdi it would possibly go very well.;)

H3MAN
07-26-2004, 01:36 AM
yeh thats the one the 2.7 cdei one was the one i was talking about so maybe i need to start researching into where to find a donor c270 cdi with full roll and back end damage so i can just strip everything ecu loom and engine, this feels almost as hard as the install i did with my c220 diesel engine, i installed the ecu and engine myself and ask me how i had to find it god, anyways yeh if anyone knows more about the new c270 cdi and its fiiting in the engine bay of a w202 model i would be much appreciated thank you and keep me posted heman

Paul
07-26-2004, 11:50 AM
Good Luck:) :)

MBenzNL
08-02-2004, 01:17 AM
The C220D has enough fuel distributorpump problems by itself without having any modifications done to the engine...these pumps tend to fail EVERY 150k-300k kilometer (hence the reason why I didn't want a C220D) all by themselves...

do yourself and that pump a favor and leave the engine as it is...you cannot squeeze power out of a non turbo diesel engine and by driving a oldskool non CDI diesel engined car you are not suposed to be the first one at the next trafficlight...

Diesels are meant to last long, not too race with...and as the C220D isn't very succesfull in lasting long in the first place...

greetingz,

Paul
08-05-2004, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by MBenzNL
The C220D has enough fuel distributorpump problems by itself without having any modifications done to the engine...these pumps tend to fail EVERY 150k-300k kilometer (hence the reason why I didn't want a C220D) all by themselves...

do yourself and that pump a favor and leave the engine as it is...you cannot squeeze power out of a non turbo diesel engine and by driving a oldskool non CDI diesel engined car you are not suposed to be the first one at the next trafficlight...

Diesels are meant to last long, not too race with...and as the C220D isn't very succesfull in lasting long in the first place...

greetingz,
mmm harsh reality,very good point:)

heman
08-11-2004, 02:52 AM
what are you talking about the head has enough problems nothing has happened to mine since day one if you take care of your car your car takes care of you i thrash it up and down all day long but yet so long as its serviced well with good quality lubricants and always kept checked out it works fine, and as for the harsh reality thing im thinking about the new c220cdi/c270cdi engine and how can u just expect to accept a diesel as it is when that new c270 cdi comes standard with 170-180bhp when chipped from a site called van aaken electronic units will up it to 210bhp tried and tested and there was an article about it in the BMW power magazine contrasting the effects of the unit on the 320di and the new c220 cdi and it had the lists of all the other ranges of diesels including the c270 cdi,
now the only problem is for me is finding a c270 cdi with heavy back damage or rolled because then i can still use all the loom and engine, ecu, etc
dont worry ppl ill definately keep you posted soon as my project begins and mbenznl, ill race you after my implant of a c270cdi ahhahaha cya let me guess the heads go on them lol

Paul
08-11-2004, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by heman
what are you talking about the head has enough problems nothing has happened to mine since day one if you take care of your car your car takes care of you i thrash it up and down all day long but yet so long as its serviced well with good quality lubricants and always kept checked out it works fine, and as for the harsh reality thing im thinking about the new c220cdi/c270cdi engine and how can u just expect to accept a diesel as it is when that new c270 cdi comes standard with 170-180bhp when chipped from a site called van aaken electronic units will up it to 210bhp tried and tested and there was an article about it in the BMW power magazine contrasting the effects of the unit on the 320di and the new c220 cdi and it had the lists of all the other ranges of diesels including the c270 cdi,
now the only problem is for me is finding a c270 cdi with heavy back damage or rolled because then i can still use all the loom and engine, ecu, etc
dont worry ppl ill definately keep you posted soon as my project begins and mbenznl, ill race you after my implant of a c270cdi ahhahaha cya let me guess the heads go on them lol Im keen to see if it works,Let me know when your finished:) :) :cool:

Rocky
08-11-2004, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by heman
what are you talking about the head has enough problems nothing has happened to mine since day one if you take care of your car your car takes care of you i thrash it up and down all day long but yet so long as its serviced well with good quality lubricants and always kept checked out it works fine, and as for the harsh reality thing im thinking about the new c220cdi/c270cdi engine and how can u just expect to accept a diesel as it is when that new c270 cdi comes standard with 170-180bhp when chipped from a site called van aaken electronic units will up it to 210bhp tried and tested and there was an article about it in the BMW power magazine contrasting the effects of the unit on the 320di and the new c220 cdi and it had the lists of all the other ranges of diesels including the c270 cdi,
now the only problem is for me is finding a c270 cdi with heavy back damage or rolled because then i can still use all the loom and engine, ecu, etc
dont worry ppl ill definately keep you posted soon as my project begins and mbenznl, ill race you after my implant of a c270cdi ahhahaha cya let me guess the heads go on them lol

Since your new to this site let me say welcome. Just an FYI since your new, mBenzNL is sorta the 'god' of the W202. I'd trust his word over any other person. Check out his site when it's back up and you'll know what I mean.

H3MAN
08-12-2004, 06:56 AM
hey rocky u aint balboa and nor is mbenznl a god and nor am i heman the master of the universe but hey what the hell rite its all for fun at the end of the day its all about modding and meeting new people and u dont get to know till u get proven wrong rite so u know im new and im finding things out and thanks for the advice but i still reckon the c270 cdi will kill a c250 anyday its that new engineering man its just too good
anyway once again like i said thanks for the advice but i need to see something to believe he is the god of this site which i havent really seen yet from him but i guess u never know well see when we see it rite
so for now
cya

MBenzNL
08-13-2004, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by heman
what are you talking about the head has enough problems nothing has happened to mine since day one
I know that I am Dutch and that my written english might be unclear for some english people...but...erm...I don't recall that I mentioned the word/part HEAD a single time in my reply...

Originally posted by heman
and mbenznl, ill race you after my implant of a c270cdi ahhahaha cya let me guess the heads go on them
Again I have to disapoint you...I myself am not an american and am in no way interested in a single race what-so-ever...

keep up the constructive posts though...you'll get there...
One of these days you might even figure out in what section of a forum a post like this might belong...

greetingz,

Rocky
08-13-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by H3MAN
hey rocky u aint balboa and nor is mbenznl a god and nor am i heman the master of the universe but hey what the hell rite its all for fun at the end of the day its all about modding and meeting new people and u dont get to know till u get proven wrong rite so u know im new and im finding things out and thanks for the advice but i still reckon the c270 cdi will kill a c250 anyday its that new engineering man its just too good
anyway once again like i said thanks for the advice but i need to see something to believe he is the god of this site which i havent really seen yet from him but i guess u never know well see when we see it rite
so for now
cya

Thanks for the insult..keep them coming.

I welcome you here since your new, let you know what MBenzNL is probbaly the most knowledgable guy around on W202's and you insult me?

Anyways, if you didn't notice now, you'll notice later that a MB is not the best car to 'italien mod' your car. Parts are very expensive and the hp/$$$ is high. Money can be spent elsewhere. Ask MBenzNL, maybe he'll hook ya up with one of his 1000 command systems for the W202.

Welcome to the forum.


BTW it's my real name not the boxer.

heman
08-13-2004, 11:55 AM
ALRIGHTY LADS
jolly good to see yah all again sorri i been away for the last two days gosh u guys are taking this harsh hahahaha
looks like u need to get it down with a pint or two, dont worry ill buy yah both drinks one of the days....well anyway its good to see nl likes to see all the rite threads in all the rite places he makes things sound so formal, well itll be done as u said from now on mate,
and balboa im not saying ur name aint rocky just thought id bring some humor into it so lighten up but lads good to meet u and i hope neither of us will be getting on the wrong sides of each other but like i said good to meet u both and hey
both of u CHEER UP
smile it aint a crime to smile man......anyway i gotta go im busy at a exhibition today called BULLDOG BASH and i have just seen the fastest drag bike that went from 0-100mph in 1 second and the guy has an extra lung by operation to withstand the movement in time ratio, this event is run by the HELLS ANGELS within the UK if anyones ever heard of it ull know wat sort of event this is anyway just wanted to tell u all my merc is looking proper bad here coz they all got bikes hahahahaha
anyway cya and hey lads take it easy good to know yah
cya

1998K
08-16-2004, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by Rocky

Anyways, if you didn't notice now, you'll notice later that a MB is not the best car to 'italien mod' your car.


BTW it's my real name not the boxer.

Since I'm here (Italy) and you (Guys) are there, what do you intend as "italien mod"?

Hi:)

Rocky
08-16-2004, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by 1998K
Since I'm here (Italy) and you (Guys) are there, what do you intend as "italien mod"?

Hi:)

There's an old term 'italian tune-up' which mean change every single part until it's fixed instead of properly diagnosing the problem and fixing the actual problem on the first try. What I meant by 'Italian modding' was to just change parts on your car with no though of what it actually does whether good or bad.

1998K
08-16-2004, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by Rocky
There's an old term 'italian tune-up' which mean change every single part until it's fixed instead of properly diagnosing the problem and fixing the actual problem on the first try. What I meant by 'Italian modding' was to just change parts on your car with no though of what it actually does whether good or bad.

Ok understand and besides I support this, I'm strongly against of any kind of change and/or modification that may trouble the nature of a car, particulary if referring to MB. Traveling around the world I've seen a lot of trash modification (the worse and numerous not here in Italy fortunately) that really make laugh or really cry... this expecially after the film saga of "fast and furious" that seems affect all kind of vehicle owner, from the
economy car to the sport one, from the SUV to the tractor, Japanese, Italian and Germanan brand, not least the MB :bored: