Feeler:C43 motor for sale

[coolcarlskic43]

I'm about to buy and upgrade to an E55 motor for my C43.I just wanna know if anyone would be interested in purchasing my C43 motor.4200.00 + shipping 82,000 miles.Mobil 1 5W30 and Euro Amsoil Synthetic 15W40 used all the time since I purchased in Feb of 2004 with 74,000 miles.Motor is clean strong and in excellent condition. I will leave vin# in a few minutes.

[Tump43]

Carl,

If you don't mind telling, where are you getting the E55 motor, how much is it, what does it come with and in what condition is it?

This is something I've been thinking about doing to my car for a while.

Thanks

[Denlasoul]

No kidding. Looks like several of us 4.3's want to go 5.5. :)

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Tump43
Carl,

If you don't mind telling, where are you getting the E55 motor, how much is it, what does it come with and in what condition is it?

This is something I've been thinking about doing to my car for a while.

Thanks Goto to www.uneedapart.com prices seem to range from 6900.00 to 11K. Yea after driving a w210 E55, I said I have to get one. But it will be cheaper to put in the motor plus I think the all around performance of this motor in my C43 will trounce the E55 w210 in every categorye other than looks.

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
I think the all around performance of this motor in my C43 will trounce the E55 w210 in every categorye other than looks.

Hells no! The W202 is a waay better body style the W210.

[speedybenz]

Anyone look into buying the 5.0L engine? It could be much cheaper and with a little porting, cam change and increase in compression and rpm limit could be a very good choice.

Jeff

[Denlasoul]

I've seen 5.0L engines go for pretty cheap. Definitely less than the 5.5L AMG's. One bad thing about the AMG engine is that places will automatically jack up the price. One place quoted me like 10K for the 5.5L engine!

[jnolte]

installattion would be a bitch, problay as much as the engine to install a 55 engine

[pnsji]

This guy, Norman in SF do install and sell the motor as well:
http://www.craigslist.org/pen/car/50695957.html

Installation of E55 W210 engine into C43 is very straight forward.

[ShollyC220]

Wow, that's interesting. I don't think I could afford to buy this engine to swap it out for my own 2.2l, unless you'd be willing to give a fellow member a very fair price... haha

-sholly

[neema12]

I emailed that guy from craigslist two times and he never replyed. Anyone in the Bay that will do these swaps?

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by speedybenz
Anyone look into buying the 5.0L engine? It could be much cheaper and with a little porting, cam change and increase in compression and rpm limit could be a very good choice.

Jeff yea ,like the E50 ,but doing all that would be expensive wouldn't it.By the way Speedy did you ever put that diff in your car?,I'm dying to get one.




Originally posted by jnolte
installattion would be a bitch, problay as much as the engine to install a 55 engine Why? It's basically the same motor.Pull one out and put the other in!



Originally posted by Denlasoul
Hells no! The W202 is a waay better body style the W210. NOOOOOOOOOOO WAAYYYY I'd take a W210 E55 over my car in a heartbeat,but since it's so expensive I'd put the motor and computer in my lil C43!The E55 w210 is a much nicer car ,interior and exterior.

[coolcarlskic43]

Anyone interested in my motor and maybe my tranny as well?

[speedybenz]

I took a look at the prices for the 5.0L engines and they go for
about $6000-$6500. So for about $1000 to $1500 with cams; extra you could easily port the head and raise the compression, etc and still have a motor that could be faster than the 5.5L engine be some $4000 to $5000 dollars cheaper, IMO.

Both the 5.0 and 5.5L motors should bolt right in and use the C43 tranny, etc.

I have not installed the diff gearing yet until I get the tranny ECU and engine ECU rpm limit raised up to 6,800 to 7,000 rpm.
I hope to have that done soon.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by speedybenz
I took a look at the prices for the 5.0L engines and they go for
about $6000-$6500. So for about $1000 to $1500 with cams; extra you could easily port the head and raise the compression, etc and still have a motor that could be faster than the 5.5L engine be some $4000 to $5000 dollars cheaper, IMO.
Both the 5.0 and 5.5L motors should bolt right in and use the C43
tranny, etc.
I have not installed the diff gearing yet until I get the tranny ECU
and engine ECU rpm limit raised up to 6,800 to 7,000 rpm.
I hope to have that done soon. Question:Hey

Speedy are you doing the

diff gearing yourself?And where do you send both ecu's to raise

the rev limiters?I heard that as well that the 5.0L motor would be


a nice swap as well.


By the way are you talking about raising the compression on the

5.0L motor by shaving the head or changing the pistons? I know

a guy who put a 5L motor in his 99 E430,put a 5.5L ecu in the

430 and the car wouldnt start.He then ordered a 430 ecu from

Germany,installed it and the car runs like a raped Ape.Originally

the E430 was a crash car with no motor or ECU.So for some

reason the mechanic who built the car feels that there is a

difference in the ECU programming over there in Germany as

opposed to here.Does this sound far fetched?

[coolcarlskic43]

PS forgot to add:

Drove a guys car last night ,an E430 to E55

conversion,interior,motor,tranny that shifts gears from side to

side ,everything and the car was just

incredible power wise but the car needed shocks.Then I

immediately took him for a ride in my C43 and what a

difference.The W210 E55 has much more torque through the

whole rpm range but I

almost feel that with the right money spent on the C43 motor,the

C43 could probably initially give the E55 a lil scare.I'm probably

mistaken though. ;) The 5.0L motor would most likely be the

ticket for that.

However I will say that the braking in my car was much much


better.

[Denlasoul]

I would thik a C43 with a 5.5L engine would be faster than the E55 due to the E55's weight.

[pnsji]

Originally posted by neema12
I emailed that guy from craigslist two times and he never replyed. Anyone in the Bay that will do these swaps?

I might be able to find you his phone number. The person selling the engine can install it for you.

[CKlasse]

C55, w203

[pnsji]

Actually he did this install:
http://www.craigslist.org/pen/car/50692199.html

[speedybenz]

I am doing the gearing change to the diff myself. A Limited Slip is also going in from Kleeman, so they are doing the ECU programming.

I would also do the port work on a 4.3-5.5L mercedes engine. I would raise the comprssion by milling the cylinder head and using a thinner head gasket..

To do the job right I would like to dissassemmble the lower end and use a nicer, lighter piston and lightweight rods, included would be some work to lighten the crankshaft and offset grind the rod journals to work with Honda rod bearings to reduce the bearing speed and friction and by offset grinding the crank you end up with a longer stroke.

Mill the block decks to get 0.035" of piston to head clearance and then have some new valve guides machined to allow the use of valves with a smaller stem diameter = lighter valves and more useable rpm.

Geez, everytime I write this up I want to go yank my engine out of my C43 and go to work. Pretty sure I could find around 425Hp or more at the crank. Or about 370Hp at the wheels.

[Tump43]

I contacted the guy w/ the craigslist add about swapping the 43 for the 55 engine and this was his response.


"In a message dated 12/1/2004 12:21:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mmclaw@optonline.net writes:
Total price with the 55 engine?

The engine alone is $8,500

The price just for the labor?

Labor is $2,000.

The price if you want to keep my 43 engine against the swap?

We have plenty of C43s right now.


As for the w203. We have one of those in right now but, that swap would be more ideal for w203s due to compatibility issues. Let me know if you're interested.

Thanks,

Norman Tong
Street Machines/Dimensional 1
(650)952-2717
(415)531-2899 (mobile)"

I also got a couple of quotes for a complete 55 engine.
One was $3,600 and one was $4,100 including shipping in the US.
I didn't get any more information about the engines though.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Tump43
I contacted the guy w/ the craigslist add about swapping the 43 for the 55 engine and this was his response.


"In a message dated 12/1/2004 12:21:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mmclaw@optonline.net writes:
Total price with the 55 engine?

The engine alone is $8,500

The price just for the labor?

Labor is $2,000.

The price if you want to keep my 43 engine against the swap?

We have plenty of C43s right now.


As for the w203. We have one of those in right now but, that swap would be more ideal for w203s due to compatibility issues. Let me know if you're interested.

Thanks,

Norman Tong
Street Machines/Dimensional 1
(650)952-2717
(415)531-2899 (mobile)"

I also got a couple of quotes for a complete 55 engine.
One was $3,600 and one was $4,100 including shipping in the US.
I didn't get any more information about the engines though. Marc make sure it is a 5.5L and not a 4.3L for a 430 because these guys are screwed up.If it is a 5.5L definitely I would jump right on it!!!!ASAP.See if the person has the 5.5L ECU as well. And Marc is that guy from Cali?The 8500.00 motor?I think his user name is MOTO on MB world.org. If it is that was the price quote I got from them as well.






By the way guys, I was also told by the guy that did the conversion, that the 4.3L ECU would either have to be reprogrammed all together or a 5.5L ECU would have to be used with the 5.5L motor.The car needs to be getting the right amt of fuel and timing with the Big Daddy 5 in it! The 5.0L motor can be used with our 4.3L ECU and not the 5.5L ECU.
The 5.5L ECU with 5.0L motor runs way too rich.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by speedybenz
I am doing the gearing change to the diff myself. A Limited Slip is also going in from Kleeman, so they are doing the ECU programming.

I would also do the port work on a 4.3-5.5L mercedes engine. I would raise the comprssion by milling the cylinder head and using a thinner head gasket..

To do the job right I would like to dissassemmble the lower end and use a nicer, lighter piston and lightweight rods, included would be some work to lighten the crankshaft and offset grind the rod journals to work with Honda rod bearings to reduce the bearing speed and friction and by offset grinding the crank you end up with a longer stroke.

Mill the block decks to get 0.035" of piston to head clearance and then have some new valve guides machined to allow the use of valves with a smaller stem diameter = lighter valves and more useable rpm.

Geez, everytime I write this up I want to go yank my engine out of my C43 and go to work. Pretty sure I could find around 425Hp or more at the crank. Or about 370Hp at the wheels. That would be nice stuff to do to a blown 4.3L motor that a friend offered me.I'm just afraid of what parts and Labor to upgrade the whole engine would cost me. but it's not a bad thought. PLEASE let me know about the Diff.prices and whatever other info you get.Thanx Speedy!

[neema12]

Will I be able to make my c220 1995 get a c43 or e55 motor? How much am I looking at in cost for a c43. Thanks

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by neema12
Will I be able to make my c220 1995 get a c43 or e55 motor? How much am I looking at in cost for a c43. Thanks You can do anything but the Question is if it's worth it!You'll need a ton of parts.C43 depending on your, mileage and condition can range anywhere from 15k to as high as 30k.

[grover96]

Why not just supercharge the C43 and screw all this engine swapping? The price would be the same for a more dramatic effect.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by grover96
Why not just supercharge the C43 and screw all this engine swapping? The price would be the same for a more dramatic effect. RELIABILITY my friend!

[pnsji]

Originally posted by Tump43
I contacted the guy w/ the craigslist add about swapping the 43 for the 55 engine and this was his response.


"In a message dated 12/1/2004 12:21:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mmclaw@optonline.net writes:
Total price with the 55 engine?

The engine alone is $8,500

The price just for the labor?

Labor is $2,000.

The price if you want to keep my 43 engine against the swap?

We have plenty of C43s right now.


As for the w203. We have one of those in right now but, that swap would be more ideal for w203s due to compatibility issues. Let me know if you're interested.

Thanks,

Norman Tong
Street Machines/Dimensional 1
(650)952-2717
(415)531-2899 (mobile)"

I also got a couple of quotes for a complete 55 engine.
One was $3,600 and one was $4,100 including shipping in the US.
I didn't get any more information about the engines though.

I think you can negotiate the price with him a little bit.

[aintME]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43

NOOOOOOOOOOO WAAYYYY I'd take a W210 E55 over my car in a heartbeat,but since it's so expensive I'd put the motor and computer in my lil C43!The E55 w210 is a much nicer car ,interior and exterior.

the 210 E55 does have a nicer interior and exterior, i'll give it that. but, as you know, the size of the 210 just kills its performance; it does not handle all that well. i honestly have had more joy driving my C43 than my E55. Powerwise, there is no comparison. the 55 motors are just much stronger, as they should be.

keep us posted on your progress, it's going to be a little monster that should give your turbo a run :-)

an aside:
i do wonder how complete the swaps that shopes like MoTo offers are. I believe, however, i'm not sure that the trannies in the 55 cars are diffrent than that of the C43. I assume that most 55 swaps into 43s use the original tranny?

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by aintME
the 210 E55 does have a nicer interior and exterior, i'll give it that. but, as you know, the size of the 210 just kills its performance; it does not handle all that well. i honestly have had more joy driving my C43 than my E55. Powerwise, there is no comparison. the 55 motors are just much stronger, as they should be.

keep us posted on your progress, it's going to be a little monster that should give your turbo a run :-)

an aside:
i do wonder how complete the swaps that shopes like MoTo offers are. I believe, however, i'm not sure that the trannies in the 55 cars are diffrent than that of the C43. I assume that most 55 swaps into 43s use the original tranny? Yes from what I understsand MB uses this tranny in all of the AMG v8's,and v12's from 98-2002,all of the v8 clk's till 2003.They did add the side to side shift thing in 2000 but basically all of those trannies are the same from what I'm told.

Yes I will keep everybody posted thanx!

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Tump43
I contacted the guy w/ the craigslist add about swapping the 43 for the 55 engine and this was his response.


"In a message dated 12/1/2004 12:21:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mmclaw@optonline.net writes:
Total price with the 55 engine?

The engine alone is $8,500

The price just for the labor?

Labor is $2,000.

The price if you want to keep my 43 engine against the swap?

We have plenty of C43s right now.


As for the w203. We have one of those in right now but, that swap would be more ideal for w203s due to compatibility issues. Let me know if you're interested.

Thanks,

Norman Tong
Street Machines/Dimensional 1
(650)952-2717
(415)531-2899 (mobile)"

I also got a couple of quotes for a complete 55 engine.
One was $3,600 and one was $4,100 including shipping in the US.
I didn't get any more information about the engines though. 8500.00 is a lot of dough.You found some good prices Marc and I would find a way to install it my self if I were you.PS I know you were'nt thinking of doing it in Cali!LOL! Take care we still gotta hook up!Carl

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
8500.00 is a lot of dough.You found some good prices Marc and I would find a way to install it my self if I were you.PS I know you were'nt thinking of doing it in Cali!LOL! Take care we still gotta hook up!Carl Finally purchased a 5.4L motor.5k including shipping.Fla mileage 85k which is higher than I wanted but I'm anxious!

[Denlasoul]

Awesome. Keep the rest of us posted as engine swaps may become more frequent.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
Awesome. Keep the rest of us posted as engine swaps may become more frequent. Absolutely. A few notes just for everyone's info:,



I called Kleeman and they did tell me that the

ECU from our motor would wrk with the 5.4L motor.You can either

use the 4.3L injectors or the ones in the 5.4Lwhich are bigger.

The software in the 4.3L ECU is ME 2.0 the 5.4L ME 2.8. Our ECU

can compensate after a few hundred miles of driving.

Here's another:


They also told me that the cams ,the intake cam in

particular is a more radical cam in the c43 than the one in the

E430 and that the C43 ECU has more aggressive programming.


Like I said Just FYI!

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
Our ECU can compensate after a few hundred miles of driving.

So does this mean and ECU upgrade is not necessary? I know that Kleemann does not use any chip/ecu upgrade for their V8 superchargers.

I would think that you would need an upgrade to take full advantage of the larger injectors in the 5.5L. For example, if the 5.5L engine has 30# injectors, than it can only send a maximum of 30#, right? If a 4.3L engine has 24# injectors, then it can only send a maximum of 24#. Now if you have a 30# injector being controlled by an ECU that can only max 24#, you'd be losing out on power.

I wonder how s/c systems with out ecu upgrades get around this scenario?

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
So does this mean and ECU upgrade is not necessary? I know that Kleemann does not use any chip/ecu upgrade for their V8 superchargers.

I would think that you would need an upgrade to take full advantage of the larger injectors in the 5.5L. For example, if the 5.5L engine has 30# injectors, than it can only send a maximum of 30#, right? If a 4.3L engine has 24# injectors, then it can only send a maximum of 24#. Now if you have a 30# injector being controlled by an ECU that can only max 24#, you'd be losing out on power.

I wonder how s/c systems with out ecu upgrades get around this scenario? Well he explained to me that when they supercharge the 4.3L motor they use the stock inj. So he explained to me that the stck inj would have plenty of capacity to be used in the 5.4L. He then said that if I have the 5.4L injectors with the 4.3L ecu ,he's confident that the stck ECU will adjust the A/F accordingly. He recommends the 5.4L inj but says the 4.3 inj will do based on the cars that they have supercharged.Basically he's saying that we can use our C43 ECU. PS here is the # to Kleeman if you would like to ask for more info.I never jotted down the guys name Sorry! 1-719-473-6441(kleeman USA) By the way they also have a differential upgrade for ALL AMG's.http://www.kleemann.dk/site

[coolcarlskic43]

But I think HPS uses a piggy back for their Supercharger kit but I'm not sure. I'm curious to see what they have to say! In the man time,I gotta find some poor soul that needs a motor for their ML,E,S,You name it! LOL!

[Denlasoul]

Any updated info on this project?

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
Any updated info on this project? I paid for the motor just after Xmas! It's being shipped from Miami to NYC hopefully next week.

I may have to either reprogram my ECU I'm told in order to get the ME2.0 software in the ECU to work with the 5.5L injectors other wise the car will not reach the 349HP.Other option is to buy an ECU from MB from a friend of mine that wrks in MB parts. He quoted me 1200.00, his price for a E55 99-early 2000 ME 2.0 ECU.1500.00 to install the motor. So cash is being asked for all over the place for my conversion.


Forgot to mention that I am also paying 600.00 to get the Schrick cams and TMS software installed in my other old project ,325 turned to 332i BMW.It now has the 3.2L motor and full 97 M3 suspension and subframes.

Money being spent all over the place.I'm glad I finished the Talon.I'll keep you [posted on the MB conversion,hopefully the whole project and final setup will be done late Jan early Feb.Keep ya'll posted!.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
So does this mean and ECU upgrade is not necessary? I know that Kleemann does not use any chip/ecu upgrade for their V8 superchargers.

I would think that you would need an upgrade to take full advantage of the larger injectors in the 5.5L. For example, if the 5.5L engine has 30# injectors, than it can only send a maximum of 30#, right? If a 4.3L engine has 24# injectors, then it can only send a maximum of 24#. Now if you have a 30# injector being controlled by an ECU that can only max 24#, you'd be losing out on power.

I wonder how s/c systems with out ecu upgrades get around this scenario? By the way you were right the ECU has to be upgraded by reflashing the software or just putting in the E55 ECU 99-2000 Me2.0.After early 2000 till now is ME 2.8. 5.5L injectors is the issue. But thats why you upgrade. As far as supercharging is concerned,HPS uses some piggy back computer and some one in a thread on mb world told me wnat it was so I 'd have to recheck for the name of it.

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
By the way you were right the ECU has to be upgraded by reflashing the software or just putting in the E55 ECU 99-2000 Me2.0.After early 2000 till now is ME 2.8. 5.5L injectors is the issue. But thats why you upgrade.
Why can't you just flash the data from an E55 to a chip and replace the C43 chip? For example, have a chip tuner flash the E55 chip and then install it in your car. All you need is to find an E55 for the flash, or is there more to it?

BTW, thanks for the info. Since I am interested in a similar route, your experiences will help me alot.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
Why can't you just flash the data from an E55 to a chip and replace the C43 chip? For example, have a chip tuner flash the E55 chip and then install it in your car. All you need is to find an E55 for the flash, or is there more to it?

BTW, thanks for the info. Since I am interested in a similar route, your experiences will help me alot. Well you are probably right.The guy(Donnie) at the former www.mbautowerks.com wants me to bring the car down to his shop in Atl after the install just to do that I believe.I asked him if I could just send the Ecu but he says Quote:"no I would need the car and that's the way I do it."I did not really debate the point with him and he also wants 1k to do the job.I didnt want him to tell me forget it. Several guys on the mbworld forum told me that he's the best MB tuner there is.He may even need the car just to put a reprogrammed Ecu in the car I dont know.Maybe he also wants tomake sure no CEL's are coming on.I am going to dyno the car prior to bringing it down there so that I can see if there is a difference. My other option is to get the E55 Ecu from my friend at MB for 1200.00 and just put it in.It would just have to be programmed for the key.

[Denlasoul]

benzaddict: what's your take on this conversion?

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
benzaddict: what's your take on this conversion? E55 motor has finally arrived today. Conversion starts officially next week providing the Nor easter doesnt kill us here in NYC.I will post pics and every step as the project unfolds.On a new thread that is!;) Started project Fri evening(last nite) and project W202c43 to C55 is complete and successful! Finished 5:39 am Sat morning(This morning)9 hrs..Full details and pics after I get some sleep! Here is a lil write up for everybody:http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=92281&page=7&pp=10

[coolcarlskic43]

write up in last post ,pics soon.

[coolcarlskic43]

ttt

[coolcarlskic43]

Motor is still for sale.4k obo takes it.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
Motor is still for sale.4k obo takes it. ttt