Want to covert your auto to manual please read.

[ezeneli]

FYI-- I have ordered the 5spd tranny from a 1996 C280 with all parts needed for conversion. All parts from europe. Parts are as follows

1. 5spd non-auto tranny rated for 320HP
2. Pedals (clutch and brake)
3. Propeller shafts (drive shafts)
4. All fluid lines
5. Flywheel
6. New Clutch
7. All nuts and bolts.

No more tranny problems for me. I paid $1150 for the tranny and all parts. Shipping was another $600 arm and a leg for shipping. And $240 for new clutch w/ shipping. It will take 3 weeks to arrive. The labor is goning to be $600 for all. This is going to be an easy conversion.
If any of you are intrested let me know. I can get all parts needed for you. This is the answer to all of your tranny problems. This conversion works for all C280 and C36 cars that I know of. In europe most C280s are 5spd and some C36s all share the same tranny.
If you look at your brake resivior you can see a spout on the side of it that is closed off that is for the slave cylinder in the clutch pedal assy. And look behind the brake booster you can see black plugs were the lines go you car is all ready for the conversion, so dont let a mechanic tell you its a hard job to do its not about 10 hours of labor its in there service books. The labor for the tranny, clutch and shafts is 6 hours remove and install and the pedal assy. is 4 hours.

[Pagz]

Hey have you taken a W202 manual for a drive??...
iv found the box to be very slow between gears....
and if you wanna slame it into the next gear your out of luck...
its the worst box iv had...but maybe mine had a hard life,
but then again im not the only one who has this opinion...
great idea changing to manual though;)

Regards,
Paul

[ezeneli]

Yes when I was in Germany. It drove great way better than a auto. That is why I am doing the conversion.

[nokia8860]

neat project you have goin there.

I have only driven 2 mb 5 speeds so far. The 230k R170... that shifter really sucks man talk about vague shifting... .and the 201 16v.... that was a little better... sorta sad that a 15yearish box felt better than a modern one.

but do keep us updated as that is really a neat project to do.

[benzaddict]

Sounds like a great project. Hopefully you won't run into idle stability problems, I know that the engine ecu's have different programming for auto vs manual: a torque convertor full of fluid carries different momentum than a flywheel/clutch. Do you know if the flywheel is a single-mass or dual-mass? Good luck with the project and please keep us posted. I've done a fair amount of research to do this and would be curious to hear about you're results.

[ezeneli]

Originally posted by benzaddict
Sounds like a great project. Hopefully you won't run into idle stability problems, I know that the engine ecu's have different programming for auto vs manual: a torque convertor full of fluid carries different momentum than a flywheel/clutch. Do you know if the flywheel is a single-mass or dual-mass? Good luck with the project and please keep us posted. I've done a fair amount of research to do this and would be curious to hear about you're results.


Well my cousin in germany did the same conversion to his C36 and he said it worked fine idle has nothing to do with the torque
converter and the programing in the ecu's are the same for the auto and manual the auto tranny has its own computer. I ran my motor with the tranny out and the idle was at 650 rpm just like when the tranny was in the car. Yes tranny has been removed. I would not have ordered the parts if the conversion would not have worked.
I have done three conversions to 1 1989 Porsche 928 1 1997 BMW M3 and a 1991 Toyota Landcrusier. The hardest on was the toyota. Just make sure you have all the parts. I dont know about the flywheel I will post when it comes. I think the trannies shift fine you just have to get a low milage one(mine has 54,000 km) and not one out of a 4cly. or diesel mercedes model the shift like total crapola they are geared diffrently, mine came out of a 1996 C280 sport. Its going in my 1997 C36.

[KenzBenz]

let us know how it goes, my tranny might be due in the sometime in the future so this will be a good alternative

[C43]

Tell me this will work on a C43. I just supercharged my car and it would be sick as a fivespeed.

[C43 holla]

yes. please post regarding the C43 because I would be so excited to make the amg a mantran.

[joeyskates]

Yeah how cool would a sc'd manual C43 be?!!

[C43]

My C43 is a sick bitch. I can not wait to wakeup in the morning and leave work 12 hours later just to drive her. Supercharging has to the most incredible bolt on application I have ever done. The largest problem is keeping the wheels on the ground. Really, I'll hit the gas and the wheels will spin until I say so. I would love to make her a five speed or six speed. You would think, get the pedals. You can have any bell housing made, why not put a Tremec(i think) trans or any other racing trans in. I would really like to make this a reality. With, the brain power on this site I think we can come up with a five or six speed manual trans for a C43. I also think we could keep it under 15000.00. We are a bunch of w202 heads that are educated and have some coin. We could figure this out. I do not want the rights to the kit, I just want to help make it happen. A C43 manual would be the best sleeper in the world. If we can do it someone will make big loot. If you have any pointers on traction please tell. Like I said me car is just spinning. I plan on putting on eibach sport shocks and H+R sport springs. I have 18*5 all around with z rated yokos. I need new tires. I will also buy new
rims if need be. Back to the manual. Come on guys lets figure it out. Screw starmark. I am officially leting my car be the test subject. Any ideas. I will buy all the parts and spend my money on my car to get it right. My mechanic is a great mechanic. But we will need this bourd to help in intelligence. LETS GO FOR IT I AM IN WITH BOTH FEET. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by C43
I plan on putting on eibach sport shocks and H+R sport springs. I have 18*5 all around with z rated yokos. I need new tires.
Upgrading your springs and shocks can help in keeping your wheels/tires planted. Also, I noticed that you are running 18*5(what is this?) all around? I'm not too sure what you mean by this number, but if you are not running a staggered setup then that hurts your ability to keep your car planted.

I will email you about your s/c in the near future. I would like some thoughts and such. Thanks!

edit: I am interested in how this conversion will pan out. Though I am skeptical about how applicable it will be to the C43...looks like many people here have the intention of achieving a higher HP load than what the tranny is rated. :(

[C43]

Sorry its 18 by 8.5 all around. If you have staggered size that would be better for traction please tell and I will make these snow tires.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE MANUAL TRANS

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by C43
Sorry its 18 by 8.5 all around. If you have staggered size that would be better for traction please tell
Ok, based on your statement, you are running 18x8.5 all around. Most importantly, what are your tire sizes? In my case, I am running 18x8 and 18x9 wheels and I am running 225 and 255 tire sizes. Stocks are 245 rears so I am putting another 10mm (I know it;s not huge) of rubber onto the pavement. I am pretty sure you can beef up the rear rubber by some more. Even going 265 with minimal rubbing/problems, that would mean almost an extra inch in width to help with traction. If you searched around, you'd probably even find a person with 285's.

[C43 holla]

i will be so excited to spend the money on funding a manual 5 or 6 spd (prefered) for my C43. It would be one of the rarest AMG's around!!!

[pnsji]

Originally posted by C43
Supercharging has to the most incredible bolt on application I have ever done.

Do you have dyno sheet or 1/4 mile slip?

[C43]

No I do not have any data yet. I just bought enginuity for my pocket pc. I hope it works as well as I have been told. I will post my findings. I can feel the power increase in my car. A rolling start before was fast but now at 10mph if I punch it the tires will break loose. Hps says 100-125hp increase. I do not have the data but it sure feels like if my car had wings it would take off, major difference. Thank you for tire info. My current rims are knockoff AMG. I think I will just get winter tires for them and research getting a new set of staggered rims. I will do a search. Thanks

[ezeneli]

Guys I dont know if it will work on the C43 but I think it would, all
w202 trannies are the same bolt pattren and type 722.xxx is the auto tranny on all benzs.

[benzaddict]

Originally posted by ezeneli
Guys I dont know if it will work on the C43 but I think it would, all
benz trannies are the same bolt pattren and type 722.xxx is the auto tranny on all benzs.

This is untrue. The auto trans in an M111/M104/M102/M103(inline 4&6 cyl engines)all share bellhousing shape whether it's a 722.3xx, 722.4xx or 722.6xx trans. The M112/M113(newer V6 & V8 engines) share a different bellhousing shape(only 722.6xx), and the M119, M117, M116(older V-8 engines) share yet a different bellhousing shape. So you would need to find a manual trans that is similar in application for it to "bolt up".

[ezeneli]

Your right but this is a w202 forum I am reffering to them the c280, c36 etc.

[benzaddict]

Originally posted by ezeneli
Your right but this is a w202 forum I am reffering to them the c280, c36 etc.

The C43 is a w202 with a M113 V-8 engine. Therefore the transmission from a C280/C36 with a M104 will not "bolt-up" to a C43 with the V-8. You stated that you thought the conversion you are doing would apply to a C43 and I wanted to clarify that it won't so people don't waste the money and time.

[ezeneli]

Ok I know for sure the c280's and c36's, but not the c43 most likely wont work on it.

[coolcarlskic43]

I wonder if it would be an abortion to make a E39 M5 6speed tranny wrk or one from a recent say 95 till now manual tranny from an american powered H.O.V8?Ford or GM.They do have companies that make adapter plates as I've seen alot of Japaese drag cars use American power glide type transmissions in their cars,So I would think that something,somewhere,anything can be done.Thoughts?

[ezeneli]

Need lots of cash to make one for a benz, no one makes one for a benz...looked into it. Cheapest way to go is buy one from a benz.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by ezeneli
Need lots of cash to make one for a benz, no one makes one for a benz...looked into it. Cheapest way to go is buy one from a benz. What company did you use to ship the tranny? I need some info so I can get my motor up here to NYC.

[RacerXofFL]

ezeneli

let me just say I hate you.

I started my converison 11/04/04

I used US only parts :)

So where Did I find your tranny?

88 300E, 5-Speed, now I have to change the Diff in the car, you will need to too....

my 96 C280 has a 2.80 rear end, in 4th gear that gives me 162 mph, and well 5th according to the math, 227 :(

I get 3 miles to the gallon better in 4th on the highway, just a warning from some1 who drives his daily.

I have a 717.430 FYI

[RacerXofFL]

Oh yeah, and check that your flywheel has the magnet.....

Mine had 3 segments but no TDC magnet...

DONT ASK

Also I had to have custom shafts made.

[ezeneli]

Hello all conversion is now done...and everything works great!!
Cars performance is 30X better what a differance...this conversion
is a must for C36s it wakes them up totally...the auto tranny sux compared to the stick....and all parts bolted right in. The shafts, pedal box, clutch fit prefectly the olny part I changed was the fluid line from the pedal box to the tranny for the clutch. Also had to wire the reverse lights to the manual box no biggy switch was there. Nice and easy conversion I love the german cars. Now I just need remove the tranny computer and wiring. If you having any questions about the conversion let me know. Now I have the olny C36 5 speed manual in the USA. Its good!

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by ezeneli
Hello all conversion is now done...and everything works great!!
Cars performance is 30X better what a differance...this conversion
is a must for C36s it wakes them up totally...the auto tranny sux compared to the stick....and all parts bolted right in. The shafts, pedal box, clutch fit prefectly the olny part I changed was the fluid line from the pedal box to the tranny for the clutch. Also had to wire the reverse lights to the manual box no biggy switch was there. Nice and easy conversion I love the german cars. Now I just need remove the tranny computer and wiring. If you having any questions about the conversion let me know. Now I have the olny C36 5 speed manual in the USA. Its good!

...and now would be the perfect time for some pictures:cool:

[ezeneli]

I will post pictures soon.

[RacerXofFL]

too bad renntech did one back in 96, and

http://www.rc-imports.com/Contact/drivers.html

runs one too with potomic...

but im the only one in florida !!!!

[MrSpace]

wow the W202 modding is starting to get alive (we don't count the ultra expensive tuners cars)

it's funny becaus eit's more than 5 years after the production stopped for those cars, compared to the honda world were 3 days after a car is sold there are tons of parts and mods.

Etienne

[RacerXofFL]

yeah, my pops has worked for mb-usa for 24 years we have always modded, my favorite to this day was the 300cd runnin 20lbs of boost and PROPANE injection.

nutthin like doin a warm up burn out with a diesel at moroso....

btw it went 14.2 for i think what had 90hp from the factory...

[ezeneli]

Here are some pics:

C36 Manual 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb65.bmp)

C36 Manual 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb5spd.bmp)


Took a month of waiting for parts but now its done and worth every penny.

[C43]

For what you have done, you post 2 pics from the backseat? :confused:

[ezeneli]

What kinda pics do you want to see.

[Shude]

Originally posted by C43
For what you have done, you post 2 pics from the backseat? :confused:
I was thinking that ;)

I was hoping to see what the transmissions looks like, what the underside of the car looks like without one and a large pile of parts before and after! :)

[ezeneli]

I have plenty of pics of the parts I will post them later...but no pics of the install I did not do the install myself.

[RacerXofFL]

http://www.southfloridaracing.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15610

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by RacerXofFL
http://www.southfloridaracing.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15610 Congratulations! great job please show us some pis of the car on a lift if you get a chance though! By the way,my E55 motor finally arrived today for my C43.

[RacerXofFL]

Im so ashamed of what i had to do with the shift linkages, but ill try on tuesday, I also have a HUGE stack of parts... e55 swapping it huh, u see that ebay post?

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by RacerXofFL
Im so ashamed of what i had to do with the shift linkages, but ill try on tuesday, I also have a HUGE stack of parts... e55 swapping it huh, u see that ebay post? Yea,me and the owner of the car have been private messaging each other.Look in some of my posts and you'll see a C240 W203 with a C43 engine he did.His name is MOTO!

[M104-AMG]

Originally posted by ezeneli
I have plenty of pics of the parts I will post them later...but no pics of the install I did not do the install myself.

ezeneli: any update or better pics?

What shop did the work ?

Can you post the part numbers ?

I want to do this for my wagon!

:-) neil

[ezeneli]

Hello all,

Well my C36 is totaled, drunk driver hit me head on @40mph, f**king moron broke my arm and collor bone. Going to sue the shit out of him...I see a new C55 in the future. And I am parting it out the motored is screwed, timing chain broke. I have for sale the 5 speed manual tranny conversion complete and undamaged. for $1100obo I paid over $1900 for it with new clutch well olny 1200 miles on it now. Will work for C280s and C36 before 1997. It works great, has been removed for car. Seats for sale too $400 for all. Front and rear doors for $150 each. Side skirts for $275 both, rear bumper for $275. Also the kinesis K58 3 peice wheels for sale as well 18x8.5 front 18x9.5 rear with yokohama ES100s @90% 255/35 rear 225/40 front $1100 shipped, firm! two wheels have rash. Have all parts as of now. Many other parts too. Let me know what you need. Pics of wheels @ kinesismotorsports.com

[RacerXofFL]

wow, that really sux, what color was your interior, and what year was it.... i need a nutthin part, form a 96-97 only... its the central locking pump passangers rear fender leme know it it applies to ut car...

[J Irwan]

Originally posted by ezeneli
Here are some pics:

C36 Manual 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb65.bmp)

C36 Manual 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb5spd.bmp)


Took a month of waiting for parts but now its done and worth every penny.



Not try to be an A-Hole...


Do you have a bigger pic ?

these 2pics looks different (clearly from different car ) ????
so whats the dealt..

Pic1: I don't see the powerwindow button for the rear.
And why is the front seat is blacken out..???? (seat shown originally were cloth seat or 2 tones leather maybe....??)
MB CD player Unit from 98+ cars
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb65.bmp


Pic2: What year did you say your C36 was..??
The gauges looks like a C230K sport gauges..???
Even C43 has white gauge and "AMG" on the speedmeter.
MB Cassette player Unit from 98+ cars as well.
Notice the phone holder on the right side of the dash as well (looks like European phone holder as we don't see many of these in US)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb5spd.bmp



You might actually have done this conversion.
But these picture tell me nothing..of it... :)


Regardz,

[RacerXofFL]

mines done it no where that pretty...

[ezeneli]

That is the cars that the tranny and parts came out of, not my car.

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by ezeneli
That is the cars that the tranny and parts came out of, not my car.

I'm confused, if that's the case, then why did you make the following post?


Originally posted by ezeneli
Here are some pics:

C36 Manual 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb65.bmp)

C36 Manual 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/mb5spd.bmp)


Took a month of waiting for parts but now its done and worth every penny.

I too am not trying to be pushy about the matter, but it would help if we got a clearer picture of the car (both literally and figuratively)

[ezeneli]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/smashed.jpg

[RacerXofFL]

btw have i mentioned i hate you... THAT WAS A SWEET SETUP!!!

I had to fabb half my shit, the flywheel magnet and all!!! YOU COULD REALLY HELP ME OUT BTW!!!

is that a 717.XXX trans and do you have the vin of the car it came out of, the dealers parts catalog cant find my crossmember and a few other parts I have ghetto rigged... AND I STILL DONT HAVE A DAMN SHIFT KNOB!!!

im soooo jelous!!!

[ezeneli]

Dont know the vin# but there is part numbers on all parts I can post them if you want. But the tranny will be gone next week I sold it, just waiting for funds.

[Renn 208]

so who bought the tranny? someone on the club?

[RacerXofFL]

part numbers please, MY SWAP sucks.... I fabbed half the shit...

Mainly I need the shift linkages, and cross member.... but id like them all if you would please... I just need to find them in the computer to order stuff....


Thanks for any help...

[ezeneli]

Originally posted by Renn 208
so who bought the tranny? someone on the club?

Someone in MN, he found the post here, must be a member here, and called me, sent out check Friday. Now waiting for the funds. If I dont recive funds I will inform, but likely not, he seemed pretty serious.

[M104-AMG]

Check you PM.

:-) neil

[J Irwan]

Originally posted by ezeneli
Here are some pics of the tranny and other parts.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/PHOT0019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/PHOT0016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/PHOT0012.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/PHOT0010.jpg

Here is a picture of my car f#%cked to hell hope your happy now!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/ezeneli/smashed.jpg



I don't mean to butt-in on your business selling those part..

Seeing that there were some [b]unsatisfactory[b] sales traction among the member, we need to make sure all the classified for sale are indeed legit...


I just noticed that there were some inconsistency on your story/ads hence I asked a few question.
However about the exhaust I was asking about for a local friend. But yet I have received no answer. You said all part were sold. Yet now you keeping the exhaust.. So I guess which is true.

I hope you understand all the precautionary question asked on any classified for sale.
So it is nothing personal.

now that you have all your part sold. I guess you have nothing to worry about then. ;)

PS: If you still not satisfied and questioning this action please free to say so, and I will be happy to point out all the inconsitency for public. Then again if you have nothing to hide then... you won't mind.


Regardz,

[ezeneli]

I understand I should have posted them on ebay and let my feedback there speak for itself, but I understand where you are coming from now and understand. At least there is people watching out for all of us here, like you and renn. Thanks.

[M104-AMG]

Can you please post pn#'s and your source for the tranny!

Thanks,
:-) neil

[ezeneli]

The source was Dronsfields Mercedes in england phone number is
011-44-1457-87-1717 they sell used mercedes parts, and ship worldwide. You should arrange your own shipping its cheaper.