slk supercharger in a 280

[c280steve]

Hey everybody im steve nice to meet ya. I started usin forums about a month ago.

Alright what i wanna kno is how hard it is to put a slk supercharger on my 280. You can find the used ones for pretty cheap. But i dont know if itll even work. Im wondering if i should just put a turbo on. Id rather have a supercharger cause turbo arnt that much fun with an automatic any way. Let me know ur opinons n if its possible n how hard it is. Thanks

[NSXNOS2001]

I want to do the samething, but wonder if I should install a better or larger supercharger instead of a slk supercharge.

[Renn 208]

Hi steve, welcome to the club.

Take my comments for what their worth, as it's not ment to be difinitive.

I've seen a number of people ask about putting one MB supercharger on another MB model that it was not originally intended for. To date, I have yet to see an individual prove a successfull and reliable installation.

From a tuner perspective, Renntech does successfully install IHI (AMG 55K) superchargers on V8s that did not come with them, however, they extensively rework the whole engine to make it work...personally my opinion is that it was kind of a sledgehammer solution to a problem.

Back on the independent project side, I personally know of some one who took the situation as far as they could with a 32 kompressor on a 240 engine...but stopped the project due to the need for too much reworking.


The most far out kompressor installation that I know of belongs to BrabusCClass's w203 C24K. It's a 240 engine with a Kleemann compressor, that happened to be first installation of it's kind. Lots of custom work to make it happen, but he did it.

But what about w202s? Hold on, I'm getting there ;)

On the other hand, I know of at least 4 sucessful w202 turbo projects, and have ridden in 2 w202 turbos. There are bound to be more out there.

Again, I'm not saying that an MB supercharger project is impossible, but I'd go as far as to say that the turbo might be the more sensible way to go...that is if you don't want to do an NA buildup.

Good luck with your project car.

[c280steve]

thanks for the info man

[c280steve]

where should i get a turbo? any body kno

[ShollyC220]

Originally posted by c280steve
where should i get a turbo? any body kno

A member on this forum, JasonH, has a turbo kit for sale, but I believe it if for a C220. You may want to try Mossellman (sp?) as I have heard they sell reliable turbos for W202's.

-sholly

[Renn 208]

I would suggest finding someone who specializes in custom turbo applications and talk to them. One off the top of my head would be Dick Chiang over at dynospot racing in San Jose, CA. There are many other turbo tuning specialists out there, this is just a start.

http://www.dynospotracing.com/

Then compare to Mosselman or any other commercial application and see what works best for you.

You may also want to speak with Koolvin as he is running a 202 turbo. (MBClubUK)

Good luck.

[Ashkan's C280]

going the na way, how much hp could we get out for our 195 c280's v6 or i6? i mean would we need to get a new tranny?, and I emailed evosport about pullies and they said they never made them fo 97 and down, yet we did a group buy for them?

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by Ashkan's C280
going the na way, how much hp could we get out for our 195 c280's v6 or i6?

Ohhh Jeff...I think I've teed this one up perfectly for you!:D

[Ashkan's C280]

well here is what I know, from mkb, boreing it out to 3.8, will take a c280 to 300 hp + high performance camshafts with valve springs, sports air filters adds 34 + optimized air manifold, adaptation of ECU adds 10 lets say + evo pullies adds 10, so that is 354hp? not sure what a chip cai and exhaust will do, or if there are anything else that can be done, but I know they can get their c43 to 435 with enlargement capacity to 6,0 l
sports camshafts, s/s exhaust headers,
complete exhaust system incl. Catalytics, reinforcement transmission

[Ashkan's C280]

speedy can you reply to this? a price would be nice too

[Denlasoul]

Ashkan-

You just cant add up how much hp you get from each item to get your total hp rating. You have to measure it along the way with a dyno or something similar to that.

I was watching a car show and they took a stock car, changed the exhaust, brakes, wheels, and some other stuff. You know what they dyno said? They lost about 12hp. You know what it was from? Turns out the larger brakes (though they were lighter) too more effort from the car because of the larger diameter rotors.

To kinda give you an answer to the MKB stuff. That conversion will run you in the ballpark of 12K or so. MKB is not cheap and is very much similar in pricing to Carlsson, Brabus, Renntech.

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by Denlasoul


I was watching a car show and they took a stock car, changed the exhaust, brakes, wheels, and some other stuff. You know what they dyno said? They lost about 12hp. You know what it was from? Turns out the larger brakes (though they were lighter) too more effort from the car because of the larger diameter rotors.



Haha! Sports Car Revolution!

[Denlasoul]

Damn, busted! :)

[mr. gatsbury]

try www.majesticturbo.com . I'm not sure if they have applications that would suite a w202 but I had them ship my twin turbos for my rx-7. They were badass and mad inexpensive...

[c280steve]

Originally posted by Renn 208
Haha! Sports Car Revolution!


hahah ye ai saw that n largers wheels take powerr away cause they need more interia cause the power has go farther from the hub or somthin

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by c280steve
hahah ye ai saw that n largers wheels take powerr away cause they need more interia cause the power has go farther from the hub or somthin

Close! It's that plus size wheel and tire combos generally have more mass than, and are further away from the center of the hub than their smaller diameter stock wheel and tire combos. It takes more power to overcome the increased rotational inertia. So for the gain in handling (increased contact patch, faster in the corners etc.) you often sacrifice a little from acceleration times.

To use a classic example, just sit in a swively (is that a word?) chair with your arms out and start spining around. Once you get good speed, bring your arms (and legs) tight into your body, and see what happens.

Also, the new wheel, tire and brake combo they used also increased unsprung weight...but that's a topic for another day!

[speedybenz]

Well there are many things top do to your V6 of I6 MB. I do mot have the time right now to go into the full details but will do so in a day or so.

Jeff

[c280steve]

so far my plans are air intake,exhaust, and chip, but i really want a supercharger or turbo for around 2 grand

[Ashkan's C280]

so steve can you do an na build of an I6? how much hp is possible to get out of this engine, the na way.... it was sort disappointing calling mkb today, their c43 engine conversion is stupidly priced, around 50k not counting the price to ship it to germany and back, which would be around 60k, same goes with their boring out process, which really leaves me pissed because I really wanted to do a c55 conversion, but at those prices I could buy 3 c43's also I bought the mag wires ird plugs and a K&N, if I am not going to get any power out of my c280, I don't see the point of modding anymore, I mean its just a waste, I am reallyed bummed out because of those bastards at mkb, why the hell is it so costly to swap an engine, seriously come on, seriously is there anyway I can get 400-410hp building a c280 the na way, or more importantly how much hp can I really get out of this car, and how much will it cost.... if its not worth it, its not worth it to do all the other mods, because I can get a car that can have the engine power ability, and do all the mods I want to that car, someone let me know this blows....

[CKlasse]

Originally posted by c280steve
so far my plans are air intake,exhaust, and chip, but i really want a supercharger or turbo for around 2 grand

For another 4 grand, you can get someone's 4.3 engine. :) It'd be much better too.

[Ashkan's C280]

4k for engine then 4k for tranny 4k install then bored it out to 6.0l new cams headers polish and you have a car faster than an 2005 e55 amg one sweet beast

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by Ashkan's C280
4k for engine then 4k for tranny 4k install then bored it out to 6.0l new cams headers polish and you have a car faster than an 2005 e55 amg one sweet beast

That's quite a bit of armchair modding right there:D

[manny]

Originally posted by Renn 208
That's quite a bit of armchair modding right there:D

Consider the source. ;)

[Ashkan's C280]

wtf is that suppose to mean

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by Ashkan's C280
wtf is that suppose to mean

you'll learn soon enough.

[jnolte]

dude just swap in a c43 engine...

or you could always buy my c43 ;)


buy my c43 engine so i can swap in a c55 engine :)

[Ashkan's C280]

yeah I would but mkb said it was 50k plus shipping for swap, I could buy 3 c43's with 60k or a 99 s600, name a place that does it here and we can talk, I mean they both end up with same hp if you do the mkb bore and cams....

[Ashkan's C280]

so jeff any updates yet?