Any interest in upgrading w202 C230K s/c pulley?

[MikeL]

Is there any interest in an upgrading the supercharger pulleys in our 2.3L motors? Kleemann, Brabus, etc. can be pricey. I talked to some people and I found a master tech that used to work for Brabus in NPB, he said he can make us a custom fabricated pulley and will if theres enough interest in the kits. Is anyone else out there interested? I know they will make them if theres interest and they can sell them. Also, does anyone have a stock pulley laying around or know where I can get one?

[macaroni]

if the price is right, i'm down

[alphanumeric]

same here. im down if the price is right

whats the price on the kleemann

whats the price on the other brand (one thats around 600bux?)

[MikeL]

I have no idea on the price, as it isnt made yet. Im assuming its going to be much cheaper than the Klemann, etc. This guys a genious, he can do whatever we want to our cars, our pockets are our limits. Ill talk to the guys at TWS and figure everything out. For all of us that are local to So Cal and who needs install, we can prob get all of our cars done there as well. Ill find out all the details, cost, etc. From whay I understand, our motors can run upto 11 lbs with stock internals. As of now its only 5 lbs. I'll let you guys know.

[jnolte]

Originally posted by MikeL
I have no idea on the price, as it isnt made yet. Im assuming its going to be much cheaper than the Klemann, etc. This guys a genious, he can do whatever we want to our cars, our pockets are our limits. Ill talk to the guys at TWS and figure everything out. For all of us that are local to So Cal and who needs install, we can prob get all of our cars done there as well. Ill find out all the details, cost, etc. From whay I understand, our motors can run upto 11 lbs with stock internals. As of now its only 5 lbs. I'll let you guys know.

the acuall engine can handle more than 11psi of boost but the stock pully cant, it will over spin.

[Metromoto202]

i'm interested in the switch over of the crank pully and the s/c cluthc pully. i have two used s/c complete with pullies, the are for the pre 2000 m111 motors not post. ive been inquireing about this idea for some time... posible solid puly in stead of the clucth? then maybe running the connector for the clutch to and electric fan? or how to control the boost timing as to not set a check engine light? and will it not work if you put an under drive crank pully on? and if not which would be more hp in the long run??? but yeah i'm down with some testing

[Luwin1026]

Albert at TWS is a great genius with motors - I would trust him to make my pulley kit. (And that's coming from a former Kleemann owner)

I used to have a stock pulley from my 202 - I believe it's the M111 (2.3L) - I'll see if I can dig it up

[MikeL]

Originally posted by Luwin1026
Albert at TWS is a great genius with motors - I would trust him to make my pulley kit. (And that's coming from a former Kleemann owner)

I used to have a stock pulley from my 202 - I believe it's the M111 (2.3L) - I'll see if I can dig it up

Exactly the person whos going to do it. He was one of the master technicians at Brabus prior, guys a genious. I inquired about it because I do not want to pay Klemann prices.

[jay123]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
same here. im down if the price is right

whats the price on the kleemann

whats the price on the other brand (one thats around 600bux?)

The other kit is the one that Linh is offering for $800. If 10+ get involved, he'll drop it to $700.
It consists of a: bigger crankshaft pulley, new fuel pressure regulator, belt, colder plugs, and some piping to reposition the airflow sensor. That is it. I think it gives about 8.5 lbs of boost. Good for 20 HP at the rear wheels. Do a search on his name or on pulleys/pullies.

I agree with everyone else. If the price is right, let's do it. I just don't want to kill my motor with a s/c pulley going all the time.
Mine is a '99 C230k..

[Luwin1026]

Originally posted by MikeL
Exactly the person whos going to do it. He was one of the master technicians at Brabus prior, guys a genious. I inquired about it because I do not want to pay Klemann prices.


Maybe you can look into the offerings by ASP? I know linh had a kit developed for a fraction of Kleemann's cost. You can also look into getting a pulley kit from Dynospot Racing in the Bay Area. I can't vouch for these two as I only have personal experience with the Kleemann kit.

If I had to do it all over again, I would still go with Kleemann primarily because of the peace of mind I would get knowing that proper R&D an development went into the product. Moreover, if you have a 2000 model, the price of the pulley kit was around $800, I recall. The kit for the '99s was double that due to the MAF needing to be relocated, but that can be a DIY project that'll require just a few parts from the dealer.

[MikeL]

Originally posted by Luwin1026
Maybe you can look into the offerings by ASP? I know linh had a kit developed for a fraction of Kleemann's cost. You can also look into getting a pulley kit from Dynospot Racing in the Bay Area. I can't vouch for these two as I only have personal experience with the Kleemann kit.

If I had to do it all over again, I would still go with Kleemann primarily because of the peace of mind I would get knowing that proper R&D an development went into the product. Moreover, if you have a 2000 model, the price of the pulley kit was around $800, I recall. The kit for the '99s was double that due to the MAF needing to be relocated, but that can be a DIY project that'll require just a few parts from the dealer.

If I get him to build our kit, it will be as good as if not better than the Klemann for less $$$. He's done 4.3L to Brabus 5.8L motor conversions by hand, Ive seen him upgrade the SL55's supercharger with a Brabus one, turned the 500 hp beast into a 600HP one. He's also fabricated an SL55 one or in the process, this is why I asked him if he could do ours. We'll see what happens. Ill find out soon.

[jay123]

Unfortunately, Kleeman doesn't make a kit anymore for the C230k '99-2000 for the US. I called either Dynasport or Evosport. They told me that they don't make a kit for the w202 C230k. I guess the only kit around for now is the one that Linh offers with an ASP pulley. But ASP isn't offering the pulley off the shelf anymore.

[MrSpace]

1- Luwin it's me that have your pulley... and it's already modified by ASP and in my car right now

2- I still have my original pulley, but it can only fit in a 2000 model. And I think I want to keep it because if I need to go back to stock.

3- The 1999 and 2000 pulley is different, you can modify and fit a 1999 pulley on a 2000, but can't do a 2000 on a 1999. It's really to make the modification from 1999 to 2000, only need a lathe.

4- The 2000 pulley at 800$ from kleemann is for the W203. The 200 model stopped production in like may 2000 and those are still using the old kit, the only difference is a slight dimention on the pulley. But the kleemann 800$ kit will NOT fit on a W202.

5- My car is pullied by Linh's pulley and I have dyno charts for the gain. I'm the only W202 with this pulley kit and it's really reliable yet.

6- Many R170 owners have that pulley since a long time and no issue have arrived. go on benzworld.org in the R10 section and make a search for ASP you will find tons of posts.

7- My car had really low baselines on the dyno, but if I put everything relative, I get a ~25hp gain and 40lbs torque gain at crank (If I remember correctly it's 18whp and 31wtq - at the wheels)

http://www.bnzsport.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14033 for my complete article.

As soon a snow is gone I'm getting my car dynoed on a roller dyno, I think the fact that ESP is not completly off and that the system on the dynapack check each wheel individually made my ESP rub some power... why the so low numbers on the dyno.

Anyways check my article on bnzsport I detailled installation and all.

Etienne

[albanianbenz]

I am down on getting a pulley that will do around 11psi

[manny]

Am I not correct in suggesting the ECU will have to be " tweaked " at the same time?
Maybe somebody should be looking at that as well. ;)

[Luwin1026]

Originally posted by MrSpace
1- Luwin it's me that have your pulley... and it's already modified by ASP and in my car right now



Ahhhh . . . my memory escaped me momentarily - now I remember . . :p

[crazy00c230k]

if the price is right im down for pulley

[MrSpace]

Originally posted by manny
Am I not correct in suggesting the ECU will have to be " tweaked " at the same time?
Maybe somebody should be looking at that as well. ;)

no

kleemann did not come with FPR so it needed a chip (according to slammed_c)
my kit came with fpr and it runs fine

I'd like to meet slammed_c this summer to dyno our cars at the same day on the same dyno. I think we only have pulley upgrades (he has chip+pulley)

Etienne

[airbenz]

Hi, new to this board. This is my first post, so hopefully it won't be too bad. Anyway, I would also be like to be included. How does this compare to the RennTech pulley kit? I tried to use the search option, but I did not find anything on it or anyone who has installed it. Does anyone have any experience with the Renntech pulley kit? Here is the PDF file from Renntech.

http://www.renntechmercedes.com/pdf/W202.pdf

[Linh]

Originally posted by MrSpace
no

kleemann did not come with FPR so it needed a chip (according to slammed_c)
my kit came with fpr and it runs fine

Etienne


Hi Guys,

This is Linh. Correction, Kleemann pulley kit for the pre-2000 Slk 230 does not come with fuel pressure regulator or chip. Kleemann included the fuel pressure regulator later after i dyno my car as Evosport and Kleemann found out that his pulley kit was making my car run super lean. I then have to "retuned" the kit myself by installed a risen rate fuel pressure regulator to bring down the air fuel ratio to 13.0:1 and that's when kleemann decided to included the same fuel pressure regulator as mine in his kit. I also decided to design my kit even more safer then other by running 1-2 psi less boost then other. Btw, Kleemann no longer sell the pulley kit for the pre-2000 2.3 engine because his kit is retail for $1800 !!! And mine is only $800 !! All i can say is, at least 95% of of all the pulley installed on the Slk and C230K are ASP pulley. I'm willing to drop $100 off with out the "group" buy offer. If interested, please drop me an e-mail at ldnguyen1970@hotmail.com

[SLAMMED_C]

no kleemann did not come with FPR so it needed a chip (according to slammed_c) my kit came with fpr and it runs fine.
I'd like to meet slammed_c this summer to dyno our cars at the same day on the same dyno. I think we only have pulley upgrades (he has chip+pulley)
Etienne

My Kleemann kit never came with a FPR. the kit was for the late production 99 M111 powered cars.
I was running super rich so I had to get my car chipped.
almost been a year witht he chip in and its been running fine.
been over a year with the Kleemann kit in and no problems.
I lucke dout when I found my Kleemann kit, and even though I payed lots for it.. I am happy that I got the kit.

Well for now I just have a Chip and Kleemann Pulley.. but Im working on an intake for my car.. and also looking into getting Cams.

Id like to dyno my car. Im curious to know exactly how much HP I have!

[MrSpace]

if you plan a trip to montreal we'll dyno our cars together
on wednesday nights you can get a baserun for 50$!!

by the way, there was no corrections to my post, I stated that the kleemann kit did not come with FPR and that's why you needed to install a pulley

Etienne

[Linh]

Etienne,

You're right, some how i missed read it.

[CKlasse]

I got mine from ASP directly... <edit> minus <edit> core. That's <edit>...and I moved the AIR MASS close to the throttle body. It works great.

Sorry... Don't mean to undervalue anyone. :(

[MrSpace]

Originally posted by CKlasse
I got mine from ASP directly... $600 minus $200 core. That's $400...and I moved the AIR MASS close to the throttle body. It works great.

did you change the FPR? did you change the spark plugs?

Etienne

[CKlasse]

Magnecor wire and ACCEL 24LBS injectors did it. I haven't dyno it, but my O2S is at .3-.4 Volts :)

[jay123]

Originally posted by CKlasse
Magnecor wire and ACCEL 24LBS injectors did it. I haven't dyno it, but my O2S is at .3-.4 Volts :)

Where did you get the injectors from? How much?
Did you have to re-program the ECU to work with the new injectors?

[CKlasse]

No I dont have to reprogram the ECU. I even left the fuel regulator alone.

I did change the fuel filter.

As far as how much, I can get you those for about $28-30 each. I bought them direct.

:)

[jay123]

Originally posted by CKlasse
No I dont have to reprogram the ECU. I even left the fuel regulator alone.

I did change the fuel filter.

As far as how much, I can get you those for about $28-30 each. I bought them direct.

:)

Cool!! What did you do it on? I have a '99 C230K. Did you use the injectors from a c36, e320, or what???

How difficult was it?

Thanx..

[CKlasse]

no. They are made by ACCEL. Supposedly better spread angle, and finer mist. too. It took me an hour to take out the fuel rail, install the injectors and put everything back together.

[jay123]

Any part numbers for the injectors?
What type of spark plugs are you using? Part numbers?

Would all of this work on my '99 C230K? So far, it seems very doable..

[REMUS]

IM working on getting a new crank pulley for my 1999 c230k M111. I will be trading in my stock for $300 off. You also need other parts such as fuel regulator, 2-step colder plugs and MAS relocater pipe.

This is the only place I found so far, he is asking $800 plus shipping for it. If you do not trade in your stock he said it would be around $1100.

I recieved this source info from kleeman, they told me they stoped making the pulley upgrade..


here is the link-http://www.aspracing.com/frame.htm

[REMUS]

I def. want in on a group buy for this.

[krappy]

id be interested? how much $$ we looking at and for how much boost?

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by krappy
id be interested? how much $$ we looking at and for how much boost?

dead thread. omeyhomey is working on a new aluminum pulley for the N/A 104 and possibly SC'd M111 blocks.

[omeyhomey]

There is already a 202 pulley in developement (hint hint) :cool: . If you guys want a super cheap high performance 4cyl pulley, all you have to do is ask :)

[ncd]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
There is already a 202 pulley in developement (hint hint) :cool: . If you guys want a super cheap high performance 4cyl pulley, all you have to do is ask :)

Well if its going to be considerably cheaper then kleemans kit ($980ish) its all good.... but bare in mind you get some extra bits... Does any one know What is the "Kbox" is that you get with it though..

[omeyhomey]

do you guys want an over boost pulley? I honestly would rather just do a light weight pulley that will still get a good 15HP gain without having to put any extra stress on the engine. NO WAY my pulley would be $980ish lol. I was thinking more around $349 (though its too early to tell exactly). I want pulleys to be affordable. this BS premium that us benz owners have to pay is just borderline rediculous. Already got the stock 230K pulleys. gonna do more R&D to see what numbers i could actually expect. If i do one I would most probably do stock diameter for many reasons. One, won't affect driveability of the car. Second, it works with stock belts so no pain in the ass finding which belts work. Finally, The mass reduction will still help free up plenty of HP which not putting one extra bit of stress on the engine (and I saw that completely bullcrap Speedtuning 230K pulley add-on, MY GOD that thing is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Thats SOOO dangerous). Anyways I will be keeping yall updated.

[ncd]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
do you guys want an over boost pulley? I honestly would rather just do a light weight pulley that will still get a good 15HP gain without having to put any extra stress on the engine. NO WAY my pulley would be $980ish lol. I was thinking more around $349 (though its too early to tell exactly). I want pulleys to be affordable. this BS premium that us benz owners have to pay is just borderline rediculous. Already got the stock 230K pulleys. gonna do more R&D to see what numbers i could actually expect. If i do one I would most probably do stock diameter for many reasons. One, won't affect driveability of the car. Second, it works with stock belts so no pain in the ass finding which belts work. Finally, The mass reduction will still help free up plenty of HP which not putting one extra bit of stress on the engine (and I saw that completely bullcrap Speedtuning 230K pulley add-on, MY GOD that thing is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Thats SOOO dangerous). Anyways I will be keeping yall updated.

Do two options..

Super sport
Extreme sport... (dependant on crankshaft/belt upgrades etc)
If you get your pully to the market .. try and make DVD video installation guide..

[omeyhomey]

Originally posted by ncd
Do two options..

Super sport
Extreme sport... (dependant on crankshaft/belt upgrades etc)
If you get your pully to the market .. try and make DVD video installation guide..

Honestly the install is so straight forward. Its just the one single crankshaft bolt. I have not figured out the exact torque specs but for how i think it will be around 120 ft lbs.


That is a possibility. I would start off with the Sport pulley and then perhaps do the Race pulley (boost increase) later on. But honestly it seems the stock pulleys are pretty heavy so weight reduction along will allow that Kompressor to spin up much faster thereby allowing for great gains. should be interesting to see what happens.

[ncd]

Originally posted by omeyhomey
Honestly the install is so straight forward. Its just the one single crankshaft bolt. I have not figured out the exact torque specs but for how i think it will be around 120 ft lbs.


That is a possibility. I would start off with the Sport pulley and then perhaps do the Race pulley (boost increase) later on. But honestly it seems the stock pulleys are pretty heavy so weight reduction along will allow that Kompressor to spin up much faster thereby allowing for great gains. should be interesting to see what happens.

sounds pritty damn cool.. :cool:

[SLAMMED_C]

if youre doing a pulley for the M111 Kompressor cars and its stock size.. I really dont see the reason for it.. granted it will be lighter.. but for $350 I want more then a 10hp gain.. if that.
I really doubt that you will see much gain from a lighter pulley alone. you need to plus size the pulley for real gains.

As for stress on the motor. I have had my Kleemann kit (K23 kit) for probably close to 4 years. I have had no issues with the Kleemann kit that would put any extra stress on the motor. it runs just as strong as it did when I first bought the car.. hell it probably runs even better now.

The entire point of a performance crank pulley on the Kompressor cars is to increase boost!!.. Im sure many people on the board would be more interested in a kit that increases boost.
it wouldnt be that difficult to find out what other kits are using as pulley diameter and belt lengths... and then put together a kit that will give actual performance increases.

when it comes right down to it.. the 202 with the lght weight crank is still gonna be hella slower then the 202 with the larger diameter pulley!

just my 2 cents.

dont get me wrong at all.. you are doing a great thing for the 202 community, and these parts will no doubt be greatly appreciated and welcomed by any w202 performance seeker.

[omeyhomey]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
if youre doing a pulley for the M111 Kompressor cars and its stock size.. I really dont see the reason for it.. granted it will be lighter.. but for $350 I want more then a 10hp gain.. if that.
I really doubt that you will see much gain from a lighter pulley alone. you need to plus size the pulley for real gains.

As for stress on the motor. I have had my Kleemann kit (K23 kit) for probably close to 4 years. I have had no issues with the Kleemann kit that would put any extra stress on the motor. it runs just as strong as it did when I first bought the car.. hell it probably runs even better now.

The entire point of a performance crank pulley on the Kompressor cars is to increase boost!!.. Im sure many people on the board would be more interested in a kit that increases boost.
it wouldnt be that difficult to find out what other kits are using as pulley diameter and belt lengths... and then put together a kit that will give actual performance increases.

when it comes right down to it.. the 202 with the lght weight crank is still gonna be hella slower then the 202 with the larger diameter pulley!

just my 2 cents.

dont get me wrong at all.. you are doing a great thing for the 202 community, and these parts will no doubt be greatly appreciated and welcomed by any w202 performance seeker.

Gains for a lightweight crank pulley will be more than 10HP for stock diameter. I do not want to increase boost (at least on a stage1 pulley). This pulley is for weight reduction only and maintains stock diameter to keep accessories unaffected. Some people do not want extra boost they just want to reduce rotational mass and help their engine spin up much faster. Gains should be around 10-12HP. thx