Turbo setup for a w202 [Archive]

c_lee

05-01-2005, 11:21 AM

i'm not looking for kit.

I'm looking for a shop that a club202 member has dealt with or know of that is reliable in california

Originally posted by CKlasse
So dont buy a kit. Just have the shop fab the manifold and get garrett T3/4. Budget yourself $3000-4000. The C280 is pretty simple.

We did a TT setup on the Maxima 3.5. Now that was a 3 week project!

jnenad16

05-01-2005, 01:55 PM

wouldnt it be way simpler and cheaper to supercharge your C280. I discussed this many times in this forum and also at bznsport. do a search under POWERDYNE and you'll see that its quite a doable mod.

nenad

c_lee

05-01-2005, 02:13 PM

the posts that i found on supercharger stated that no one's been able to succesfully or easyily fit a suerpcharger on to a v6..but i'll look into it - thanks

Originally posted by jnenad16
wouldnt it be way simpler and cheaper to supercharge your C280. I discussed this many times in this forum and also at bznsport. do a search under POWERDYNE and you'll see that its quite a doable mod.

nenad

jnenad16

05-01-2005, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by c_lee
the posts that i found on supercharger stated that no one's been able to succesfully or easyily fit a suerpcharger on to a v6..but i'll look into it - thanks
Including me, I dont think anyone tried it on V6,but that doesnt mean that it not possible, there should be alot of space for the supercharger once you remove your stock airbox, just like the I6 version.

nenad

c_lee

05-01-2005, 02:22 PM

thanks for the info,

but i am still looking for a shop - if anyone knows please share.

Under Pressure

05-02-2005, 07:24 AM

Your only hope for something pre-fabbed is the Mosselman twin-turbo set-up. It uses two Garrett T-25's, kinda like the mid-1990's Nissan 300Z Twin Turbos.

Its $$$$$$$$$$$ though

714guy

05-02-2005, 03:40 PM

Since nobody on here has a TT C280, i doubt you'll find a recommendation. I would recomment you call up a few shops like TwinsTurbo in Socal or check out shops that do custom turbos for the Surpas and IS300s also. Singal Auto auto in torreance shop be a reputable shop also, they work on the Drift cars, and work on many turbo setups. If i recall your in Costa Mesa right, theres a shop called Burns Stainless (http://www.burnsstainless.com/) that fabs customs manifolds and stuff.

IMHO, if you go to a shop, its goin to cost alot more then the kit. Just a manifold is going cost you at least $2000. I've check around already also.

Renn 208

05-02-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by 714guy
I would recomment you call up a few shops like TwinsTurbo in Socal or ...

HAHA the kozeluh brothers!

c_lee

05-02-2005, 04:48 PM

people keep mentioning how expensive the kits are going....as i said again, I am not looking to buy a pre-made kit.

I saw that few people have their 4 banger motors set up with a custom turbo setup. That's what I wanted to do...but I can't put it in myself, so i am looking for a shop that can...

thanks 714guy. i'll look into those shops you mentioned

Josh R

05-02-2005, 05:02 PM

I'm in the process of finishing the install of my S/C sytem on a 112 C280. These systems will be available for all 202 chassis only for 112 and 113 powerplants not the 104's. If your looking for a shop in SoCal I can help.

jnenad16

05-02-2005, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Josh R
I'm in the process of finishing the install of my S/C sytem on a 112 C280. These systems will be available for all 202 chassis only for 112 and 113 powerplants not the 104's. If your looking for a shop in SoCal I can help.
which type of charger are you using, centrifugal or roots/twin-screw? I personally prefer centrifugal for their safety margin, even though they are peaky.

nenad

Josh R

05-02-2005, 07:14 PM

We build centrifigul systems for MBZ autos. So far on a CLK 430 we have laid down 407 whp. Stock the car spun the rollers at 213 whp. The 202 chassis I think will be the most enjoyable.

jnenad16

05-02-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Josh R
We build centrifigul systems for MBZ autos. So far on a CLK 430 we have laid down 407 whp. Stock the car spun the rollers at 213 whp. The 202 chassis I think will be the most enjoyable.
if you can build a centrifugal kit for the 104 under $4k, i think you will have yourself a definite best seller, since no one makes kits for them. my personal favorite is Powerdyne BD-11a. Simple setup, maintenance free, decent boost.

nenad

c_lee

05-02-2005, 08:19 PM

i need help! can we discuss. i have a 99 c280... i donno which engine that is

email me pls

chris24@gmail.com

Denlasoul

05-02-2005, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Josh R
So far on a CLK 430 we have laid down 407 whp.
So...., um Josh,..... is that 407 with or without the i/c? :D :D :D :D

Josh R

05-03-2005, 06:49 AM

Without, ran a boost check with the Type C II pulley and she liad that down cold. On a heat cycled motor she lays down a constant mid 380's. With aftercooler ( air to water core located after supercharger) I expect a conservative gain of 50 whp over the 400 mark. I'll try and post dyno run somehow ugh

c_lee

05-03-2005, 04:04 PM

so what would work a 00 c280 in terms of a sc?

Brabus

05-06-2005, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Josh R
I'm in the process of finishing the install of my S/C sytem on a 112 C280. These systems will be available for all 202 chassis only for 112 and 113 powerplants not the 104's. If your looking for a shop in SoCal I can help.

Why no love for the M104 engines?? the inline folks never get an upgrade :(

jnolte

05-06-2005, 12:18 PM

house of power

Josh R

05-06-2005, 04:49 PM

I may build a single turbo kit for the 104 motor. Perhaps a T3/T4 turbo with a nice AR35 housing perhaps. But I would need a C280 to be donated.

c_lee

05-08-2005, 12:21 PM

what do you mean donated. i might be insterested.

please e-mail c-lee@cox.net

jnolte

05-08-2005, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by c_lee
what do you mean donated. i might be insterested.

please e-mail c-lee@cox.net

c_lee

you dont have a M104 engine, dont you have the m112

c_lee

05-08-2005, 02:14 PM

i donno, what's a 99 c280 have?

Josh R

05-08-2005, 09:15 PM

M104 Inline 6 cylinder DOHC
112 V-6
113 V-8

swank

05-08-2005, 09:52 PM

mosselmann - sure theyve got solutions for 95 c36 amg's? I wasnt able to find theirs.

jnenad16

05-09-2005, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by swank
mosselmann - sure theyve got solutions for 95 c36 amg's? I wasnt able to find theirs.
same kit as for the C280.

nenad

Brabus

05-09-2005, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Josh R
I may build a single turbo kit for the 104 motor. Perhaps a T3/T4 turbo with a nice AR35 housing perhaps. But I would need a C280 to be donated.

josh r, e-mail me... let's work something out :)

jeremy.c.chien@lmco.com

swank

05-10-2005, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by jnenad16
same kit as for the C280.

nenad

Work well for you and was it a pain to keep maitenence on?

jnenad16

05-10-2005, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by swank
Work well for you and was it a pain to keep maitenence on?
I never had a turbo on my C280. I was planning on supercharging it, but I sold the car in the meantime.

nenad

714guy

05-11-2005, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Brabus
josh r, e-mail me... let's work something out :)

jeremy.c.chien@lmco.com

Hey Brabus if you get twin tubro I have a vanity plate idea for you: TTSEYEX

What cha think?? :D :D

swank

05-12-2005, 07:08 PM

Who all here runs SC's on their 95 AMG's?

Brand, model and more of all accessorties and SC?

mileagle when installed, mileagle now.

Just want to see how everyone else is keeping up and if all is running well.

98c43amg

05-12-2005, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by c_lee
Who's turboed a c280? I've seen the setups for the c230k, but anyone do it for the v6?

Anyone know any experienced shops in California who can fit a custom turbo?

Thanks

ok, not for a V6 but rather for the C36 [for all those who have that here] ... the guy who'll be installing the E55 5.4L motor in my C43 next week owns a turbo'ed C36 ... used to be a dual turbo but he was having head gasket problems from the heat; so now it's single turbo ... work of art ... I'll take pictures when he's doing my engine swap and post them. I'm hoping the same guy who made the custom exhaust/turbo plumbing for him can make a custom adapter to mate a Getrag S6S-420 or 226 tranni to the 5.4L motor.

...HOWEVER, he has the dual turbo setup sitting in his garage if you're willing to chance the heat issue [plan on upgrading the water cooling system of your car at minimum]. He dyno'ed it while still with the dual turbo setup he was something like 450hp ... at the wheels [!]. Car was in a magazine.

mayagman

05-13-2005, 09:42 AM

I, too am getting ready for a boost project. I have been trying to keep the car NA, but I just can't get the performance I want. All I'm looking for is about 50 more hp. Just some passing power.
For anyone who's seen a turbo'd 280, how did they route the exhaust tubing?! six outlets all on one side cramming into a turbo and then out the back? How can they do this?

And for nenad:
Is there any way to mount that powerdyne unit on an M104? There's so much room, and for the small gains I'm looking for, a supercharger is perfect. Where do you put it, in access to the belts?

My other concern.. I have the 5-spd auto.. will the extra power make it flake out?

(Not trying to Hijack, the issues I'm bringing up are relevant to us all :)

98c43amg

05-13-2005, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by mayagman
For anyone who's seen a turbo'd 280, how did they route the exhaust tubing?! six outlets all on one side cramming into a turbo and then out the back? How can they do this? Yes. Even with the dual turbo, it's all on one side. That's why I said "work of art" ... I'll have pictures up after next weekend of the guy's car who'll be doing the engine swap for me. [unless Carl, you read this and you already have pics of Jeff's engine bay ;) ]

jnenad16

05-13-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by mayagman

And for nenad:
Is there any way to mount that powerdyne unit on an M104? There's so much room, and for the small gains I'm looking for, a supercharger is perfect. Where do you put it, in access to the belts?
the only(and best way) to mount the powerdyne unit is on the pass. side, right around the airbox area(yes, you will have to remove the airbox and run an CAI through the bumper). I think that the best way to connect it to the engine would be to hook up the custom made bracket to the alternator bracket. yes, you will need a londer belt, for this you can contact gates belts, tell them your original belt's length, and measure the needed length after installing the SC(get one size bigger and smaller just to have good fitment). but as I said in your other thread, all the brackets and piping will have to be custom made. and if you are only looking for about 50hp or so, then I thikn that 6psi would be a great choice. you would not need an intercooler, since BD-11 is belt driven(not gear), so it runs much cooler=more power gains for the same boost vs gear driven SC. then you'll need to find someone to custom burn your ECU, just to make sure everything is running smoothly and to optimize your power gains. and all this will probably cost you around $4k.

nenad

redc36

05-14-2005, 09:42 AM

i was wondering how much HP can c36 4 speed auto tranny can handle. from 268hp how much hp can safely be added as not to blow up the tranny.

mayagman

05-15-2005, 10:32 AM

That's the big question, isnt it. I have always heard the limit on the 5spd is somewhere in the 300s.. but it would be a shame to spend all this money on engine mods only to blow your tranny ><

jnenad16

05-15-2005, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by mayagman
That's the big question, isnt it. I have always heard the limit on the 5spd is somewhere in the 300s.. but it would be a shame to spend all this money on engine mods only to blow your tranny >< the tranny can handle the added 50-100hp, but its the heat you have to worry about. new trans cooler and higher quality fluid are gonna be needed to keep it running trouble-free.

nenad

redc36

05-15-2005, 03:07 PM

so which you say is stronger tranny
4 speed old school in 95/96 model
or
5 speed electronic in 97up

jnenad16

05-15-2005, 06:12 PM

I personally dont have much experience with the newer 5speeders, but most benz transmissions have a overheating problem due to the inadequate cooling system. thats why benz trans dont last that long, regardless of age or model. so the key to a long lasting transmission is solving the overheatin problem by installing an aftermarket cooler and using higher quality fluid with a good additive.
http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5613&highlight=additives
http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5614&highlight=additives

nenad

swank

05-16-2005, 06:13 AM

Its said 95 has the strongest tranny out of all. Ive not had a single problem with the tranny on mine at all. Hell ive made m3 beams cream because all they ever see in their front window is a gleam. I know i said id never go back to a bmw but i saw 2 yesterday that were in EXCELLENT shape i was debating on getting to play around with. A 98? m3, red, stock, clean as a whistle, 80k miles, but no price. The next was a 94 325i that was bough in germany and babied more than Michael Jackson on court day. Had 111kmiles and owner wanted 10k... a bit to steep if you ask me.

As for cooling that is a MAJOR issue with the 95's which really tends to agrivate the hell out of me considering ive got a very loud system and i always notice the gauges at the last min due to the audio. I had a digital therm put in (brand new supposedly) and it seems every time the temps are majorly off from each other. Yes of course your going to see some flux considering you cant straight up say "116" when its a tad near it, could be 119 or it could be 108. Thats what i hate.. Lately it will PEAK right to the red then comes an instant drop to 80 so perhaps it is working.

(crosses fingers)

What worries me though is the busted plastic clips on the top of the whole assembly. I just took a look at my images from the day i got it and on a close up shot you can see the clips are there. Now they are complete gone and i can lift the whole complete damn thing up exposing the red sealant. :(

c280nz

05-22-2005, 11:11 PM

hey ppl.
I am very interested in turboing my c280 m104 later this year and at present are planning.
with the exaust turbo header i am thinking of having to get a m8 custom make it, and also another option in the air is to use the 2 standard 3-1 headers and join them together with a Y into the turbo. any ppl with expereince on turboing the m104 as to the single turbo size, computer/injection etc would be a great help.
i got a 5 speed manual so hopefully it will handle,
im hoping at around 10psi with good tuning making around 200kw at wheels.
any help appreciated.
and i live in new Zealand otherwise id be thinking about that TT setup

jstrat85

06-24-2005, 06:13 PM

heres some pics of my custom turbo kit
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/jstrat85/w202/john004.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/jstrat85/w202/john005.jpg:D

J Irwan

06-25-2005, 07:40 AM

SEE my reply here (http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7215) !!!

Regardz,

Under Pressure

06-25-2005, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by J Irwan
SEE my reply here (http://www.club202.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7215) !!!

Regardz,

Why the thumbs down? I know you and know you are probably the most polite person here. Did you mean to give two thumbs up? I have to say, that turbo C220 has everything going on, its super nice.

J Irwan

06-25-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Under Pressure
Why the thumbs down? I know you and know you are probably the most polite person here. Did you mean to give two thumbs up? I have to say, that turbo C220 has everything going on, its super nice.

ah..
it was a misunderstanding on my part... ;) (I thought he always had 95 C36 ;) thats why... ) nothing against him or anything like that..

But yeah Long Live.. C220 Turbo ..I can't wait to see the final result..

Regardz,