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josh k
09-19-2005, 11:14 PM
Well as many of you who know me have seen, I haven't been on the boards much lately. Things have been very busy (which is a good thing) and I haven't had much time for recreational activities.

However,

As today was my first (somewhat) free day, I went down to House of Power to dyno my newly supercharged car.

Before I get to the numbers, let me just say that having the car worked on exposed quite a few little problems that I suppose are normal on a 108k mile car. If you want to know what will most likely go wrong with your high mileage car, read this

1. Left motor mount needed to be replaced (this is the third one)
2. Crank Pulley needed to be replaced (per the recall - still waiting for my refund on this one)
3. Mass Air Meter (POS) was on it's way out before I dropped off the car and had to be replaced. I'm going to consider Mass air meters a 50k mile part.
4. Tranny fluid was filthy! As most of you know, "lifetime fluid" is a crock. I would say that it needs to be changed every 40k-50k miles or so.

Now, on to the good stuff:

Here she is! I still haven't had time to clean the motor, but I think it looks alright for going through 5 years and 108k miles of my "tender loving care."

http://users.adelphia.net/~joshkeaton/typec-1.jpg

I have a couple more plans for the appearance (polishing the valve covers, making a custom engine cover from Blue CF/Kevlar) but I love the way the kit looks. The kit uses a Greddy Blow-off valve - it sounds so cool to hear a Benz go "psshhhh," and as I love the sound of a centrifugal charger, I opted for the "loud" one that has an audible whine :0)

Here's a dyno sheet with it's pre and post install graphs:

http://users.adelphia.net/~joshkeaton/joshkdyno.jpg

Aside from a Remus exhaust and this supercharger kit, this car has no other performance mods (i.e. Pulleys, Software, etc.)
The car feels very well mannered around town, but hauls ass when asked to. The more gas it's gets, the more power it gives. Half throttle from a 30 mph roll breaks the tires loose, and when you step on it, it never stops pulling. :0). No drivability issues whatsoever, and on a fast paced run up Glendora Canyon in the San Gabriel Valley heat, temps hovered around 80°. During freeway driving, the needle is always below 80°.

These numbers were obtained using stock software. When Josh R of HoP gets back from vacation, we're going to experiment with a different FMU, as well as do a dyno pass with some stock wheels to see how much my 40 lb. Carlssons are costing me.

All in all, my car is a completely different animal. Whereas before I would never even bother to watch myself get my ass kicked by an STi, they're easy pickings now :0). The price was right, it has the race inspired look I love, and the performance is incredible. Only thing that sucks is that this has really brought back my speed bug. I'm already looking into how to take this car to the next level. Stay tuned...

marsbike
09-19-2005, 11:24 PM
wow! that's really cool...what are the supercharger options for a 230?

sorry for a noob question...just got my car a week ago...

josh k
09-19-2005, 11:26 PM
Not sure - I know they're developing a kit for the 280, but I'm not sure about the 230...

marsbike
09-19-2005, 11:29 PM
crud...thanks...I guess I gotta find power somewhere else...

c280nz
09-20-2005, 04:48 AM
Those are some very impressive numbers man, and thats a really nice looking engine bay.
I also like the pictures of your car "posing" in your profile ;)

-Respect-

knvs
09-20-2005, 08:03 AM
[/B}I'm already looking into how to take this car to the next level. Stay tuned... [/B]
A 5.4L is the next step. ;)

Renn 208
09-20-2005, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by knvs
A 5.4L is the next step. ;)

I'm sure that the Joshs have plenty to do before going that route;)

Ashkan's C280
09-20-2005, 09:25 AM
where is house of power? and what car is that?

josh k
09-20-2005, 09:38 AM
It's a 208 CLK430.

House of Power is located in Huntington Beach, CA.
www.hopracing.com

I'm curious to see what the system will do on a 55 motor. He's doing an S55 when he gets back from vacation.

As for mine - when it starts losing more races than it wins, I'm going to step up to the stage III kit which includes more boost, an aftercooler, and cams.

alphanumeric
09-20-2005, 10:02 AM
hmmm.... seeing we are both in the 714... what is some info on this kit? how much was it etc... not including instalation.

edit.. oops sorry just saw HOP site link

josh k
09-20-2005, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by alphanumeric
hmmm.... seeing we are both in the 714... what is some info on this kit? how much was it etc... not including instalation.

edit.. oops sorry just saw HOP site link

Alpha, I sent you an email.

Denlasoul
09-20-2005, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by josh k
As for mine - when it starts losing more races than it wins, I'm going to step up to the stage III kit which includes more boost, an aftercooler, and cams.
Josh, so you are already running the Stage II?

Ashkan's C280
09-20-2005, 10:16 AM
stage two was not listed on their site, are they still creating it?

josh k
09-20-2005, 10:26 AM
No, I'm running the basic stage I kit. Stage II steps up boost and adds the aftercooler. Stage III adds cams and something else, I'm not sure what.

Dr. ///AMG
09-20-2005, 12:08 PM
w202 owners can do a 5.4 swap and then do a HOP s/c on top and omfgbbq!!!

Ashkan's C280
09-20-2005, 12:25 PM
or a 5.4l swap, then massive NA build, and low boost HOP s/c... gg

marsbike
09-20-2005, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Dr. ///AMG
w202 owners can do a 5.4 swap and then do a HOP s/c on top and omfgbbq!!!

*writes proposal to tire companies*

NoC
09-20-2005, 06:50 PM
What is the cost of your setup?


Originally posted by josh k
Alpha, I sent you an email.

c55m8o
09-20-2005, 07:32 PM
Congrats! I'm envious of that torque curve. Right where you need it for WOT runs. 5.4L has what it needs down low already; just needs more up top.

I gotta get a quote.... This route seems way easier/cleaner then the turbo route I've been talking to a local guy about.

marsbike
09-20-2005, 10:29 PM
hmmm...I gotta get a quote...if the price is right, maybe I could get a few extra ponies out of the anemic 2.3...

Denlasoul
09-21-2005, 12:16 PM
Josh-

I read that you have the AMG/Brmbo 4 pot, 14.3" brakes. Do you notice any difference in the quality of your brakes?

c55m8o
09-21-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by josh k
Here's a dyno sheet with it's pre and post install graphs:
Josh, how in the world did you get a dyno reading not only in the low 3K range,
but even below it, with the auto tranni MBs have?

They downshift so easily...

What gear did you measure in? -- How did you get the car to hold the gear and not downshift?

doo tell? :confused:

99amgc43
09-21-2005, 07:39 PM
how much is this set up??? i got a c43 that would love this!!!!

is there piping you can get so the BOV doesnt recycle into the intake???? and how much psi is it running

josh k
09-21-2005, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by c55m8o
Josh, how in the world did you get a dyno reading not only in the low 3K range,
but even below it, with the auto tranni MBs have?

They downshift so easily...

What gear did you measure in? -- How did you get the car to hold the gear and not downshift?

doo tell? :confused:

I have no idea, but the shop owner specializes in Benzes and dynos them all the time so I guess he'd be the person that would know!

josh k
09-21-2005, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by 99amgc43
how much is this set up??? i got a c43 that would love this!!!!

is there piping you can get so the BOV doesnt recycle into the intake???? and how much psi is it running

I sent you a PM regarding the price info.

As for the BOV, it has to recycle back into the intake because it's already been measured by the MAF. If you're worried about the recycle causing it to not make the nice "psssshhh" sound, don't worry, it still does that. :0)

c55m8o
09-22-2005, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by josh k
I sent you a PM regarding the price info. PM mee too plz ... I e-mailed HoP but didn't get a reply.

josh k
09-22-2005, 09:48 AM
I'm sending you an email, too. Be patient cause the owner of HoP is out of the country on vacation for the next two weeks.

c55m8o
09-22-2005, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by josh k
Be patient cause ... ya, not a strength of mine, and then I go an see those pix and dyno graph of yours... :p ;)

thanx for the info.

tpliquid
09-22-2005, 11:26 AM
are u a actor? herd that name b4

99amgc43
09-22-2005, 12:52 PM
damn too much cash, i wonder if i can buy the components minus the SC, i can get the sc wholesale most likely

Renn 208
09-22-2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by 99amgc43
damn too much cash, i wonder if i can buy the components minus the SC, i can get the sc wholesale most likely

Considering the 2-3ish years Josh R spent R&Ding this system out of his own time and pocket, it might be a bit of a faux pas to go that route.

Another thing to consider is that I believe that at least the SC mounting system is patented, and HoP may not be willing to sell the pieces separately.

Of course, I can't speak on HoP's behalf, so going to the source to discuss your needs is always best...but just my .02 on the situation.

Delta36
09-29-2005, 01:37 PM
That is a sweet setup..I want to beat an STI too!

josh k
10-06-2005, 10:47 PM
I ran the car with stock wheels today but only picked up about 2 HP and 8 ft/lbs of torque (compared to my run with extremely heavy Carlsson 19"s), so I suppose the wheels don't rob as much power as I thought. Here's today's run.

http://users.adelphia.net/~joshkeaton/joshkdyno2.jpg

I still haven't had time to edit a video together (or go to the track :0( ) but I'll stay on it.

cthirtysizzle
10-07-2005, 12:37 PM
Nice post. I'm over in Pasadena, let me know next time your out here. Also, I'm looking to do some work on my C43, let me know how much your supercharger was.

coolcarlskic43
11-11-2005, 08:08 PM
Well I guess I know what my next mod is going to be! here is another M113 S/C setup.

http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1346490#post1346490

chuni959
11-21-2005, 09:33 PM
holy hell thats awsome!! Did you just eliminate the washer resivor? Or did you relocate it?

josh k
11-21-2005, 09:42 PM
I have my washer reservoir, as does that car with the Powerdyne charger. You're probably referring to the coolant burp/filler tank. This isn't necessary if you're changing to a custom radiator with a filler neck (or just relocate the filler neck). My system keeps the burp tank - it's really just a matter of how clean the design/placement of the compressor bypass is.

rollinrealbig
11-21-2005, 10:33 PM
thats hella sick !!!

sig425
11-22-2005, 10:30 AM
kewl. Im looking forward to the long term review as I had planned on an HPS for my c43 but with all the bad press they have.. Im holding off.

cthirtysizzle
11-22-2005, 10:38 AM
word up.