Beast C55 W202 runs low 13's at E-Town

[coolcarlskic43]

Went to E-town last night with a whole lot of friends.

I was pretty anxious because I was not sure how well she'd run(C55). I did two runs which I will post the time slips later on this evening.

1st run was my best run car went 13.3 @ 102mph.Car in the other lane ran a 12.9(911 Carrera S) but he redlighted.

2nd run ran a 13.6 @ either 105 or 106mph.This run was against a Jaguar XJ-R who ran the same time as well but he still lost because my ET was still lower. More details of launch technique and car setup after I post slips.


These times showed me that the Conversion 4.3L to 5.5L was definitely worth it's WEIGHT in gold! ;) Chappy these slips are so light that when I scan them they hardly come out.I'm going to try and make a copy on my copier and see if I can scan the copy.By the way,here are my results:All runs were done on pump gas!:

1st run

RT ..... .500
60' ......2.041
330.....5.684
1/8....8.682
mph...... 82.57
1000... 11.242
1/4...13.398
mph...102.52







2nd run

RT ..... . .161
60' ...... 2.174
330 ...... 5.860
1/8 ...... 8.881
mph...... 82.05
1000 11.453
1/4... 13.614
mph... 103.46



1st run was in D3-D4 shift
2nd run was D4 all the way.
Traction control was off on both runs.
Not bad for the first time ever taking this car too the track.

[NISMOPOWERED]

Damn nice numbers for our overwieght cars!! Just imagine what it would be if we could jenny craig about 1000lbs off.:D

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
Went to E-town last night with a whole lot of friends.
...1st run was my best run car went 13.3 @ 102mph.Car in the other lane ran a 12.9(911 Carrera S) but he redlighted.
...These times showed me that the Conversion 4.3L to 5.5L was definitely worth it's WEIGHT in gold! ;)

...yea-ya... Great to hear. :cool: (btw, I e-mailed HoP about getting the kit to have Jefferey install ... no reply)

Any one I know there? Was dat blue Audi there that's been bugg'n Jeff ? :p I'm assum'n Jeff wasn't and was working...? Curious what he's doing in the 1/4.

-steve

[alphanumeric]

13.3 is a good number!!! im guessing the 2005 C55s run simular? I wonder what makes the SLK55 run a 12.8.. im sure the slk55 weighs as much as a C class.. I think around 3200-3400lbs. I wonder if the 7spd makes a difference.

[!!!!!NJ Drive]

i would have loved to see the 202 run in englishtown

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
13.3 is a good number!!! im guessing the 2005 C55s run simular? Nope,C55 W203 is 100-150 lbs heavier than my car.Might be close but I'll beat him.I'm almost definitely sure I can match the times of an SLK with a proper launch!;)

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by c55m8o
...yea-ya... Great to hear. :cool: (btw, I e-mailed HoP about getting the kit to have Jefferey install ... no reply)

Any one I know there? Was dat blue Audi there that's been bugg'n Jeff ? :p I'm assum'n Jeff wasn't and was working...? Curious what he's doing in the 1/4.

-steve Yea Curtis,Chin,Ralston were there Steve.

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by !!!!!NJ Drive
i would have loved to see the 202 run in englishtown you going to e-town Oct 9th? ...and to the meet the 8th? I'm definitely going the 8th, and will probably go to the track the 9th.

[Under Pressure]

daymmm ... 13.3 is good for any car, but is great for a W202. Nice numbers.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by c55m8o
you going to e-town Oct 9th? ...and to the meet the 8th? I'm definitely going the 8th, and will probably go to the track the 9th. Steve i'll definitely be in DR that wknd.You're car should probably run better than mine.;)

[Under Pressure]

If you guys are drag racing, you should do N2O to hold you over until you decide on a turbo or supercahrger system. Should get you in the 12's. DAMN. Plus you can usually get most of what you need used for cheap. Just to play around with until you have constant forced induction. 13.3... thats awesome.

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by Under Pressure
If you guys are drag racing, you should do N2O to hold you over until you decide on a turbo or supercahrger system. Should get you in the 12's. DAMN. Plus you can usually get most of what you need used for cheap. Just to play around with until you have constant forced induction. 13.3... thats awesome. Thanx! I also feel that I can possibly get high 12's on a 1.7-1.9 launch without N2O.

[alphanumeric]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
Nope,C55 W203 is 100-150 lbs heavier than my car.Might be close but I'll beat him.I'm almost definitely sure I can match the times of an SLK with a proper launch!;)

well the c55 weighs 3700lbs.. and the slk55 weighs in at 3400lbs. enless u plan on doin a 7g swap.. I dont think you will be seeing 12's..

:D

[coolcarlskic43]

Why would you think the 7 spd would have anything to do with my 1/4 mile times?

Donnie Drummond is doing 11.5sec with the same gearing (5spd)S/C 5.5L motor.Oh and guess what? He tried to tell me that he was the only one who could get my C43 ECU to think it was a E55.HE WAS WRNG!

Please don't think and Don't hate bro!You sound like a hater..Funny thing is a couple of you guys never thought the engine swap could be done.

You need to chk your info because the C55 W203 does'nt weigh 3700lbs.:bunny: ;) You obviously don't know what you're talking about!

And for all I know YOU probably never got your SLK in the 12's.Show some#'s and some proof and then come talk to me!Come on here and make some sense......Thanx for the inspiration mate!!

[coolcarlskic43]

Haters never win! They also lack knowledge and everthing's based on assumption!:eek:

[aruba]

ooohhhhhhhh but hey, what would the world be without the haters:D
pretty cool numbers nice job men keep it up!!!!

[aintME]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43

And for all I know YOU probably never got your SLK in the 12's.Show some#'s and some proof and then come talk to me!Come on here and make some sense......Thanx for the inspiration mate!!

:werd:

[alphanumeric]

im not haten.. I was impressed to see your car ran 13.3.. im just givin a simple fact your w202c55 aint seein 12s... just think of it my way of motivating you to go back to the track and prove me wrong. :D

about the slk55.. people at benzworld run 12.5s all day on a stock slk55s.. so dont doubt my 12.8.. everyone knows all the new mercedes with all its electronics will run consistant 1\4s all day

[mayagman]

This thread has turned me off to the 202s -.-
Can't get the numbers I want out of em even with ridiculous work.
Guess it's time for the inevitable step up to S4 land.

[aintME]

Originally posted by alphanumeric

about the slk55.. people at benzworld run 12.5s all day on a stock slk55s.. so dont doubt my 12.8.. everyone knows all the new mercedes with all its electronics will run consistant 1\4s all day

the 12.5s all day is news to me... can't argue with the new electronics though. IMO. the updated traction systems are a HUGE improvement. i think the lack of traction is the #1 thing holding back the older NA 55s (CLK55/E55) from better times. Once the ASR kicks in, there a significant bog.

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by mayagman
This thread has turned me off to the 202s -.-
Can't get the numbers I want out of em even with ridiculous work.
Guess it's time for the inevitable step up to S4 land. though... take the guy who did our engine swaps. He built a motor (correct me where I'm wrong Carl) using a 2.8L block, increased displacement to 3.5L , used C36 heads (modified no doubt), a turbo, cam with profile made for turbos ... you're gunna get incredible performance out of it.

...at least if you say "ridiculous work", that's what I think. And I wouldn't want to run my car against his if there was big money on it.

[alphanumeric]

well my 12.5 souce isnt reliable.. it was just someones word at benzworld.org.. OK OK OK.... let me retract my statement to 12.7-12.8.. STILL!! I dont see this c55 202 in its current stat breakin into the 12's.. that would be bad ass if I was wrong tho..

aintMe... what s4 are you thinkin about.. the new v8s or the older twin turbo..

btw.. u dont have to do a c55 convert to get power.. im sure their is plenty of power to be made from the 2.3 and 2.8 engines for less $$

[Ashkan's C280]

would adding evo pullies, kleeman headers, and e fans get into 12.9-13? or would more bolt ons be needed

[aintME]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
well my 12.5 souce isnt reliable.. it was just someones word at benzworld.org.. OK OK OK.... let me retract my statement to 12.7-12.8.. STILL!! I dont see this c55 202 in its current stat breakin into the 12's.. that would be bad ass if I was wrong tho..

aintMe... what s4 are you thinkin about.. the new v8s or the older twin turbo..

eh, S4? that wasn't me ;)

high 12s *might* be reachable with a set of DRs. i hear ya tho.. :)

[alphanumeric]

Originally posted by Ashkan's C280
would adding evo pullies, kleeman headers, and e fans get into 12.9-13? or would more bolt ons be needed


I dont know how good the AMG engines already flow... but I would say mid or low 12s with those mods!


im only saying that because with chevy and ford v8s.. will run hella faster quarters with the same mods

[c55m8o]

quote:
Originally posted by Ashkan's C280
would adding evo pullies, kleeman headers, and e fans get into 12.9-13? or would more bolt ons be needed
Originally posted by alphanumeric
I dont know how good the AMG engines already flow... but I would say mid or low 12s with those mods!
...are you say'n that, doing those mods to a 5.4L motor or 2.8L motor? cus I sure can't agree if you're say'n the 2.8L. :p

edit: sorry if this sounds stupid, I just don't want to assume the context someone is asking a question like that under -- isn't clear what engine Ash c280 was ask'n about to me.

[alphanumeric]

actually... I was talking about the 2.3 motor... dont let displacement fool you!

just kidding.. I was talking about v8s meaning the 5.4 powerplant..

remember.. he is saying he could break into the 12's with his current setup. I could be wrong.. but im sure we will see..

[Under Pressure]

Come on!!! Do eet!!!!!

http://www.jegs.com/photos/735vcn.jpg

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
actually... I was talking about the 2.3 motor... dont let displacement fool you!

just kidding.. I was talking about v8s meaning the 5.4 powerplant..

remember.. he is saying he could break into the 12's with his current setup. I could be wrong.. but im sure we will see.. Dude you are so clueless it's ridiculous.


On a not so great launch I ran a 13.3 with a 2.0 60 ft launch racing the car for the first time. My 1st time ever driving an automatic car in the 1/4 mile. That's how much power this project car has. Without mods and on pump gas at that !

YOU sir will never get your SLK to run 12's.You apparently have lil knowledge of drag racing and MB motors.From what your sig shows the SLK55 is the only performance car you've owned if it's even yours.
Your hating style does not inspire me at all.I'd race your SLK with my Eagle Talon and beat you in REVERSE!:bunny:

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
well my 12.5 souce isnt reliable..

it was just someones word at benzworld.org.. OK OK OK.... let


me retract my statement to 12.7-12.8.. STILL!!

I dont see this c55 202 in its current stat breakin into the 12's.. that would be bad ass if I was wrong tho..



btw.. u dont have to do a c55 convert to get power.. im sure their is plenty of power to be made from the 2.3 and 2.8 engines for less $$ How do you spell C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S!

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by c55m8o
though... take the guy who did our engine swaps. He built a motor (correct me where I'm wrong Carl) using a 2.8L block, increased displacement to 3.5L , used C36 heads (modified no doubt), a turbo, cam with profile made for turbos ... you're gunna get incredible performance out of it.

...at least if you say "ridiculous work", that's what I think. And I wouldn't want to run my car against his if there was big money on it. You're totally correct Steve! Also I'd still race Jeffrey out of curiosity.

[alphanumeric]

I have a couple other cars not worth mentioning in a mercedes forum.. a vdub 1.8t daily beater and a mild modded 84 242 volvo which dyno at just over 300rwhp and 385lbs of tq. (with using all OEM stock volvo components might I add.. well besides the t5 trans and Megasquirt) prolly nothing as quick as your awd talon..

I can admit that I know very "lil" about drag racing and MB motors.. but can you admit your car wont run 12s ?????? :D

[aruba]

oooohhhhhh sshhhiittttt:)

[c280nz]

coolcarlskic43 go back to the track and prove this idiot wrong, this is rediculus......
But yea from what ive herd that c36turbo is badddd asssss

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by c280nz
coolcarlskic43 go back to the track and prove this idiot wrong, this is rediculus......
LOL! I think you took the words right out of my mouth!

[Under Pressure]

And sorry, for one more time.... add N2O! :bandit:

[Ashkan's C280]

yes I was talking about the c55...because I know you already have highflow cats and exhaust and e55 upgraded chip (at least I thought so), so again would adding kleeman headers evo pullies, and I suppose custom e fans because there are no standard e fan upgrades get you into 12.9-13 or even lower? And are there any other bolt ons you could do to your c55 besides those? I Understand many of you c55 guys are interested in f/i... I just didn't understand why you guys didn't do all bolt on mods before considering f/i, is there any special reasoning for this? Have you added LSD? Thanks for answering my long list of questions... c55s rule... hell 202s rule in general

[c55m8o]

Ashkan's C280, yup on the chip -- Carl's got BMS exhaust (I don't think Carl has hi-flow cats either) but mine's bone stock. ... I'm talking to a guy about headers (cheaper then Kleemann's, me hopes) and would like to do exaust like Jeff (speedybenz) ; money's drying up tho so I don't know what I'll get to 1st. Once Jeff's suspension arrives, I'll be installing LSD @ the same shop that's installing the suspension. Ya, could do the pullies... hadn't given it much thought. I really should have called outlaw engineering already to get ThermoBloks spacers and some thermal insulation under the manifold. I can't estimate what it all would get me on the track tho.

[Ashkan's C280]

so what is jeffs exhuast setup exactly two race cats/high flow straight pipe to muff? where are the o2 sensors?

[c280nz]

Originally posted by c55m8o
Once Jeff's suspension arrives, I'll be installing LSD @ the same shop that's installing the suspension. [/B]
:shock: your getting a LSD? what type/were from? that is sweet.

When you have the potential of geting into the 12s NA just stay that way, cos NA power is all good.

With a c55supercharged that would be so insane..... im drooling on my keyboard just thinking about it :cool:

You c55 boys have it sorted, theres no replacement for displacement

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by Ashkan's C280
so what is jeffs exhuast setup exactly two race cats/high flow straight pipe to muff? where are the o2 sensors? you'd have to ask him specifically about the positioning of the O2 sensors. He also is using the dual-in dual-out Magnaflow Universal muffler in place of where the resonators are.

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by c280nz
:shock: your getting a LSD? what type/were from? that is sweet. Kleemann makes it. I understand from Jeff it's a modified version of the type sold by Phantom Grip (if not actually purchased from them and modified for our application).

Ya, NA's great. But every mechanic I know into performance says the same thing ... once you go F/I, you won't ever want to go without it again. ;)

[Under Pressure]

Originally posted by c55m8o
Ya, NA's great. But every mechanic I know into performance says the same thing ... once you go F/I, you won't ever want to go without it again. ;)

Most def. ;)

[coolcarlskic43]

Originally posted by c55m8o
Kleemann makes it. I understand from Jeff it's a modified version of the type sold by Phantom Grip (if not actually purchased from them and modified for our application).

Ya, NA's great. But every mechanic I know into performance says the same thing ... once you go F/I, you won't ever want to go without it again. ;) That's exactly why I still have my 413 awhp Eagle Talon!;)

[coolcarlskic43]

Steve in two weeks when you goto the AMG meet and E-Town be sure you know how to launch your car.You have to represent for W202's,Jeffrey and the W202 C55's.

I am so anxious about it and I'm sure your car will do well.

1st fill the frnt tires up to 44psi.The rears to at least 26psi,and no lower.

Remember to rev it up to 1k rpm's while staging with one foot on brake and one on the gas then on the third yellow light be outta there b4 the green comes on.

Make sure you don't flr the throttle initially but gradually give it the gas and flr it at about 20mph all the way to the end otherwise the TQ will have those back wheels spinning..You'll be amazed at how hard she's gonna pull you down the track.Down right mean and a real rush!

Try your first run in D3 and leave it there.Then you can do trial runs,running from D3 to D4 or D4 all the way down.Some guys are telling me that if my car did 105mph on the dyno I should have stayed in D3 all the way down.I could have netted 12's. If you launch real good with the car in D3 you may run into the rev limiter ,but that's okay we want the most out of every gear.Especially mph wise.Your car is definitely a low 13 sec car as well.


It all happens pretty quick so you may need practice.I'm hoping you best my ET and MPH trap. Good Luck!:cool:



PS Jeffrey blew his motor again,this time on the Dyno! Found out today!

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
Steve in two weeks when you goto the AMG meet and E-Town be sure you know how to launch your car.You have to represent for W202's,Jeffrey and the W202 C55's.... Thanx very much for all the info. I plan on doo'n ya proud (tho, while I've been on a road course in a mini-Indy car, it is my 1st time ever on a 1/4 mile track). I know others were interested in launch too, so great post.

Ya, I'll tell ya, if I keep it in 3rd and hit redline before the end, I'll know I was doing good, as yep, our gearing gets us into 4th @ about 104 or 105mph.

BTW, I kept forgetting to ask... do you have to wear a helmet, and do you need to provide your own? What about tape for numbers?


Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
PS Jeffrey blew his motor again,this time on the Dyno! Found out today! ...holy F**K! How bad?

I guess he was step'n it up big, to take on that Audi. Was it a catastrophic failure or head gasket and he was able to shutdown in time? ...any idea what the HP / torque reading he got out of it before it happened? [!] ;)

...I hope it's not because he was using that xtra IBM laptop he's got for running his Motec software, and the screen blanked out right @ the wrong time...:eek: He was tell'n me that's what he was afraid of happening.

[c55m8o]

I've just been playing around with CarTest2000, tweeking the figures to most accurately simulate the known/measured performance of our C55s ... and I'm going to go out on a limb here -- based on my unwavering belief in technology :D and analytical simulation -- and say the best time I might achieve will be 13.3 seconds... ;)

http://images12.fotki.com/v215/photos/2/296054/2283186/c55_hp_finder-vi.gif

I type in ETAs, and stopped when I found the wheel hp and trq to be the same max values I measured... CarTest2000 does this based on knowing the HP and Trq curve, gearing, weight, losses, etc. I'm also very impressed how my measured HP and Trq @ the wheel syncs up very closely with what Mercedes Benz says our engines are producing on an engine dyno. ...very kewl. That reinforces the idea that the very many losses like tranni, drivetrain, tire fricitions, aerodynamic used in the simulation are pretty accurate.

The fact I've never done drag racing before I could very well be a few tenths above that. However, if I do better then that, then my seat-of-my-pants dyno that says the car's engine is performing a heck of a lot better and stronger now thru-out the whole RPM range with the new MAS, will verify to me it is indeed producing better rwhp & trq then 1st measured, which is what I'm using in CarTest2000's simulations (...and I have to go re-dyno my car). Heck, I should have went and re-dyno'ed it today.

[coolcarlskic43]

You can rent a helmet at the track or bring your own.$3.00 to rent.I like their cheap lil helmets because it doesnt use a face mask and you can see and hear everything a whole lot better(engine,rpm's,the other car in opposing lane).

If you buy one which I do reccommend ,from S&K or wherever,it 's like a motorcycle helmet where your whole head is covered,ears ,eyes(built in mask) and what not.I purchased a helmet manufactured by Bell. Not expensive at all.Like I said though they(track helmet) may not be attractive but I like the the track helmets.

If it's a crowded track day bring your own helmet in case you can't rent one.They will also shoe polish a # on your windshield. After you pay to get in go in and drive your car to the tech booth immediately.
You also have to fill out the info card they will give you.Once you leave the tech booth REMEMBER to take care of your tire air pressure which I described to you.That's very very important.


Here's a warning from me,Once you track your car you'll be addicted. :D ;)

If you have not done so, one day I advise you to use Amsoil ATF(8 qts) in your tranny.Take it to Rallye MB where Jeffrey wrks,make an appointment and request Jeffrey as your mechanic when you do so.Contact Jeffrey and speak to him in advance.That's what I did.I spoke to him and Ralston but chose Ralston since he's located closer to me.

Also remember the Harmonic Balancer recall ,you might as well have them do that while your car is there.I'm getting mine done Monday at Silverstar MB by Ralston. HB, tranny and diff fluid change.I'm changing the diff fluid also with Amsoil gear oil(2qts).If you need this stuff contact me or another source.


By the way from what I heard Jeffrey only blew the head gasket but I have not spoken to him as yet.He was very down and frustrated about the whole thing. Time for him IMOP to use the 4.3L motor and Supercharge or Turbo charge it!I can get him a tranny from an E55


Steve last thing.Weight saving stuff. I left all this stuff at hme,unless you have someone that would be willing to carry or watch these things at the track for you.

Take out your spare tire,your jack,floormats ,and whatever junk is in the mid console and glove box.You'll be surprised how much all this crap weighs.

Also try to start from your house with a 1/2 tank of gas so that when you get to NJ you only have maybe a 1/4 tank to an 1/8th left.Gas can be heavy.You don't need race fuel as I did my runs on either amoco 93 or Sunoco 93 I can't remember.


Race gas is expensive ,you don't need it but it's up to you.The higher Octane may help but I cannot say for sure.I used pump gas and ran a 13.3.Maybe the higher Oct will increase the mph but I will not endorse that theory. 93 Oct should be good enuff especially since we are Normally aspirated.

Keep your gas tank at 1/4 tank max to 1/8th minimum for optimum track weight.Trust me you won't regret it. Make sure you leave the traction control OFF!!!!!!aswell!

[coolcarlskic43]

Steve I need your input in this thread as soon as you are able about the RON 92!http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1286614#post1286614 Your car is also mentioned in this.

[c55m8o]

Originally posted by coolcarlskic43
Steve I need your input in this thread as soon as you are able about the RON 92!http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1286614#post1286614 Your car is also mentioned in this.

OK, I added to the thread. Thanx for the added advise. I'm planning on saying in my NYC apartment the Friday and Saturday nights before both meets, so I'll have to burn gas even more on the ride over, as that cuts the distance I have to drive to the track by about 1/2... :D

-steve