Install Kompressor on Non Kompressor C230

[Rusdi Harahap]

Hi Guys,

Mine is C230 '99 non kompressor with 111 motor. Here in Jakarta, the C230K model is very rare. I'm thinking to install the OEM kompressor on my machine. What do you think guys?

Ruzh.

[NEA-4311]

I wouldnt recommend such a thing, my Grandfather owns a W210 E200 (136hp) and doing a research on installing a Kompressor on his M111 motor, I came across many owners that had done it. Owners of CLK's, C's, E's etc. Some even in Germany! ALL of them had constant problems, every month their car broke down and they had to take it to the repair shop. I suggest to either import a whole motor or a car. Or buy something like a 280 motor and tune it with a turbo kit or something. Anyway thats my opinion, other guys might have other opinions in the matter. You just have to wait a bit and see. Good luck eitherway!

[benzonline]

Aswell, I dont think Mercedes just took the regular M111 C230 and attached the supercharger to it. I read somewhere that the internal components of the engine were also modified to handle the extra power and torque.

[Pagz]

First Q,how much mulah you gots?

There are many differences between the 230K and 230,some internal like compression,oil jets,strengthening.
other differences/changes are as follows:
-Alternator pully
-SC/alternator Bracket
-SC tensioner
-SC belt pully
-Water pump
-water pump pully
-two new belts
-Dual Crank pully
-Induction box and piping
-IC piping and Bypass
-Engine Harness
-Mass Airflow sensor
-ECU
and a few other minor things...


your best bet is to purchase a nose-cut off a C230K and take the whole engine,engine harness,ECU,Intake and IC piping.
this is no small job,goodluck


Paul

[alphanumeric]

I wish mercedes was more like volvo.. because in the volvo world.. all the 4cyl motors are interchangable with just about all compenents..


the 2.1 and 2.3 engines are identical.. a 16valve head fits on an 8valve block.. the turbo engines are same as non turbo.. except compression. and with all the difference counties and specs.. u can basicallly have a 300hp\350lb or torque with basically a stock 2.3 16valve volvo engines. the boost and fuel managment is the only non volvo product lol.. maybe intercooler too!

[NEA-4311]

Thatswhy most VOLVO's suck. :silly: Kidding, I like some models. Best thing get a cutoff nose from a C230K and up and do the mod. I agree. Let us know and post pics. (OK I went tooo far).

[Rusdi Harahap]

Originally posted by 23K
First Q,how much mulah you gots?

There are many differences between the 230K and 230,some internal like compression,oil jets,strengthening.
other differences/changes are as follows:
-Alternator pully
-SC/alternator Bracket
-SC tensioner
-SC belt pully
-Water pump
-water pump pully
-two new belts
-Dual Crank pully
-Induction box and piping
-IC piping and Bypass
-Engine Harness

-Mass Airflow sensor
-ECU
and a few other minor things...


your best bet is to purchase a nose-cut off a C230K and take the whole engine,engine harness,ECU,Intake and IC piping.
this is no small job,goodluck


Paul

First opt:
You mention compression. Do I need to replace the piston as well?

Second opt:
I don't think this option is valid in Jakarta. I've never heard someone supply nose-cut off a C230K here. Only Japanese car nose-cut off available.

My budget limits to 2K.

[alphanumeric]

with a 2k budget I would simply just turbo the car.

[NEA-4311]

What if you wait some more time to raise $$ and then sell your car and import another with an extra 3k i.e? If you try to Kompress your engine you ARE going to have a problematic merc. IF you are so obsessed with the idea try to find a whole Kompressor engine and buy the rest of the peripherals needed from breaker yards.

[Pagz]

I cant see two grand making a turbo car,or a 230K.
you could always sell and save.
have you rang around a few car dealers?,surely someone could bring one in for you from overseas next time there shopping.

[alphanumeric]

23k.. maybe prices are different in the US then NZ.. I dunno..

also... I was talking about a low cost turbo setup. the only reason your turbo setup is costing alot is because its showroom quality! it looks nice! and I bet u can sqeeze 300wheel HP out of your setup. and alot of your money went into a brand new intercooler and turbo.

but I think a low cost turbo setup would be perfect for this guy because he is only going to be running small amounts of boost. like 5lbs, which I dont think an intercooler is needed as volvos 1980-84 240 turbo models ran 5lbs stock w\o an intercooler.. then in 85+ they ran 7.5lbs and added an intercooler. so w\o an intercooler you are saving even more money.. I would guess 1200 for a non intercooled setup..

[alphanumeric]

example


low cost low performance turbo
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/matteusmb/DSCF3095.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/matteusmb/DSCF3100kl.jpg

high cost high performance turbo
http://www.rupelli.com/dump/jacob/jacob190e_321.jpg

[trymonlam]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
example


low cost low performance turbo
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/matteusmb/DSCF3095.jpg

this is affecting morale... argh...

[alphanumeric]

ok ok ok.. that was a bad example.. I bet that turbo setup on that 16valve only cost 300bux or less from junkyard cars

[NEA-4311]

Yes but isnt it the same car in all pics??? (before and after). Hm...
I still say new engine. Nothing compares to that. Even moneywise. I really like the superleggeras btw...

[Pagz]

Im in shock...not sure what to say or where to start really.

Do turbo manifolds for M111 engines lie around junk yards often,
and have they the correct inlet flanges for a matching turbo?

does the 300 include ECU changes?or any form of tuning at all?

.....thanks for the comments,the second 190 is hot!.

[alphanumeric]

23k.. you got me wrong.. the $300 statement is for a 190e 2.3 16valve..not the M111..



for the M111
you can have someone fab up a 4cyl exhaust manifold for 500-600bux. if you want it done by a pro.. like a shop "pro-turbo"

or you can buy a kit for $200 and weld it yourself?

and for a used\good turbo? I have seen rebuilt holesets sell for $300.. same price for something smaller too.

so right now with the 2 most expensive parts bought, we are already at $800

ECU changes? assuming you can install it yourself.. an AIC can control up to 4 extra bosch type fuel injectors.. used, maybe $100-200

[Pagz]

Ima Still shocked...

but i guess your right...the more i look at the sad state of that 190 the more i realise an extreme budget job can be done.

I would really like to see a project like this completed on a budget of 2000USD and no free-bee's,complete with the end dyno result...

Rusdi Harahap you can be our new Ginny pig:D

[Rusdi Harahap]

Guys,

Thanks for the info. I'll find benz owners club in Jakarta and try to have their advice on this idea. Especially, i need to know if there are any local shops who have the expertise.

Cheers.