Can't keep a "power brake" going in a '00 c280?

[irieite]

I was at a stoplight today and I wanted to piss off some ricer behind me in a FWD Celica who was racing their engine by doing a smokey.

I switched off the ASR via the dash switch, applied the brakes and full throttle simultaneously and the tires began to spin. But every few seconds they would stop, then start to spin again and the process would repeat, before any smoke would appear, although the rear did step out.

My question is, can this be fully defeated? Or, is this an ABS issue, which can't easily be defeated?

[NEA-4311]

I assume your car is automatic. This happened because the ECU changes gear every time your revs reach high levels and the car stalls. Put "2" in the gearbox and you ll be fine. Remember to change to "D" immediately after the second gear reaches high revs!!! :D

Did you mean ESP switch?

[rollinrealbig]

did it happen to be an old light blue celica w/huge wing in sacramento area?

yea my MB does the same thing while I do burnouts!

[irieite]

The car has an automatic transmission. I know how to power brake. I guess I meant ESP switch.

[irieite]

Originally posted by rollinrealbig
did it happen to be an old light blue celica w/huge wing in sacramento area?

yea my MB does the same thing while I do burnouts!

Haha. No. This was in AZ. A white 2001 ish Celica with baby blue vinyl tape on the hood. :rolleyes:

[rman]

my 99 280sport has an ASR switch on the dash, but no ESP.....

[coolin]

Careful with the brake burnouts...only one wheel breaks out...may look stupid.

Having said that, with ESP turned off I can usually do pretty good burn outs.

[rollinrealbig]

Originally posted by coolin
Careful with the brake burnouts...only one wheel breaks out...may look stupid.

Having said that, with ESP turned off I can usually do pretty good burn outs.

NOT always true w/mine!!!

Ive notices that sometimes one wheel slips out fine with nice smoke and the other side slips through but not as fast! and I have no LSD, altough wouldnt mind having it to do sick burnouts and stuff, but that kind of fun costs too much LoL

[irieite]

Originally posted by coolin
Careful with the brake burnouts...only one wheel breaks out...may look stupid.


I'll have to double check that.. I'm not sure the back end would've stepped out the way it did if both wheels weren't spinning at the same time.

[zzDragonzz]

why would you want to do this? YOu're just going to end up braking parts....

[Proven Guilty]

a Kleeman LSD is designed to provide much more balanced power to the wheels and is designed to launch a 600hp beast. i can't see how that would help you make better looking burn outs :D

[zzDragonzz]

that is why you get a stick shift

[irieite]

Originally posted by zzDragonzz
why would you want to do this? YOu're just going to end up braking parts....

I really don't give a shit... ;)

[zzDragonzz]

obviously....

[irieite]

Originally posted by zzDragonzz
obviously....

Yeah...

[rman]

Originally posted by Proven Guilty
a Kleeman LSD is designed to provide much more balanced power to the wheels and is designed to launch a 600hp beast. i can't see how that would help you make better looking burn outs :D

the rear end is built to handle the strenght, it has little to do with helping/hindering a burnout.

if anything, it'll be a little harder....BUT

Having an LSD in your rear end means you will spin and smoke both wheels, rather than with an open diff and the "one wheel peel" or "one tire fire", which looks gay

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by rman
the rear end is built to handle the strenght, it has little to do with helping/hindering a burnout.

if anything, it'll be a little harder....BUT

Having an LSD in your rear end means you will spin and smoke both wheels, rather than with an open diff and the "one wheel peel" or "one tire fire", which looks gay

i was just suggesting that i doubt he's going to break the rear tires loose with an LSD that's designed to make 600hp to the wheels hook up ;)

now a 600+hp w202.. that would be impressive!

[JConnX]

If I hit the ESP button on my dash and hold down the breaks while flooring it I'm pretty sure I do a full burnout. No one has ever told me that only one wheel is spinning. :confused:

[rollinrealbig]

Originally posted by zzDragonzz
that is why you get a stick shift

ya i fully agree ... but good luck finding a 202 w/manual in the US!

the whole point in burning out is just for the hell of it - if your really mad at something, you do donuts and burnouts and if your in a really Hyphy mood you also do donuts and burnouts! LoL

:D

[alphanumeric]

this is what my c230k does when I turn off the ASR and powerbreak.. both wheels usually spin too

http://www.pbase.com/alphanumeric/image/49035279

[irieite]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
this is what my c230k does when I turn off the ASR and powerbreak.. both wheels usually spin too

http://www.pbase.com/alphanumeric/image/49035279

Hmm. Interesting.. Although, it looks like the right rear dug in deeper, as if it was spinning the most.

One of these days I'll have to do one on the asphalt, take a picture of the results and post it.

[rman]

Originally posted by alphanumeric
this is what my c230k does when I turn off the ASR and powerbreak.. both wheels usually spin too

http://www.pbase.com/alphanumeric/image/49035279

I could do that in a 1.0L 3 cylinder geo metro. Both your wheels probalby wouldn't spin on say, a real road.

[Nitrogenbalance]

My previous 99'230K would spin both no problem using the brake. Probably only did it twice though.

Please don't ever rip it up in dirt...it's just bad. Rocks kicking up everywhere, dust, etc....not good. Sand in the road sucks too. Any car will spin em' but sand goes everywhere and stuff.

On another note, my car leaves a good set of strips if I floor it just right. Flooring it around corners with the ESP off is the best. Usually can hold the car sidways for a good 20 feet or so. I'll try and get a video of it sometime.

THE MOTHER OF ALL IS THE "ROLLING BURNOUT"

This is when the car is in motion rolling at slow speed and flooring it breaks them loose into a burnout. True test of a cars sac. Mucho Tourque.

I hope mine will do this soon......:D

[whitec230k]

Originally posted by zzDragonzz
why would you want to do this? YOu're just going to end up braking parts....

thats EXCTALLY what i was thinking.:ermm:
btw esp and asr are two different things...

[irieite]

Originally posted by Nitrogenbalance

THE MOTHER OF ALL IS THE "ROLLING BURNOUT"
I hope mine will do this soon......:D

Werd. I don't think I'll ever acheive this with my NA 2.8l c280 however... :p

[Espresso]

LOL. I'm having just the opposite problem.
I have Toyo Proxes T1r. Brand new, supposed to be excellent in rain(they are awsome at constant speed, but if I get on the throttle to hard they just spin, & spin, & spin).
Here in Panama it rains..ALOT & is very hilly. I have to get on the throttle ALOT also(getting into & out of traffic). I cannot keep the tires from spining up hills or around corners. Around corners is the worst, because the ass end swings out & I come inches from touching other cars next to me). It also does it coming down hill, but not often. A standing start at full throttle is worthless, especially once th ethrottle "catches up"( yo uknwo the 2-3 second hesitation)
The damn ASR light gets on my nerves Blinking all the damn time.

I'm trying to find a way to keep them form spinning( I cannot just keep off the throttle as it is a way of life here). So if anyone has any suggestions for me. I would greatly appreciate it. It is to teh point to where i hate driving in the rain, unless it is 3AM & no one is on the roads.

[jnolte]

get better or all season tires,

[Espresso]

They are about the best tires on the market right now. Plus they are pretty much meant for rain. At speed they are fine. It's when I have to get on the throttle at slow speeds. That is the problem.

Here on the corridor where there virtually is no speed limit they grip like no other, wet or dry(had it up to 120MPH in the rain..by myself ofcourse). But like I said. It is the short trip city driving that is the problem. When it is dry they hook & I get virtually no spin from a full throttle start. I also have a LSD diff. but not sure of the gear ratio. I still need to check it. The original owner ordered the diff, but he cannot recall the ratio. He also had trouble with thte car in the rain. It doesnt have the stock ECU either.

[jnolte]

whoa you have a LSD?!? thats tight, also pretty damn expensive

[Espresso]

Yeah, I do. It was a last minute addition to the vehicle before it left the line.
Between the ASR & the LSD the car doesnt know which way to go(this is in the rain mind you). With the ASR off, the car is completely worthless traction wise(wet or dry). With it on.. it slips, then grips then downshifts then upshifts, ect. It will do this for as long as I have my foot to the floor or until it gets up enough speed(about 70-75KM) to not break the tires loose. which isnt long at all.

Suprisingly it will not powerbrake though. I cannot describe what the car does when trying to do it. I tried it twice both wet & dry..nothing. But when I load up the convertor( footbrake to about 2000 RPM) & let off the brake the tires just go up in smoke. The ASR light goes crazy & the car tries to regain it composure, so it upshifts, bogs down, ect.. the car gets crazy sideways.
I really need to learn how these systems work in the benz. Because the car is very unpredictable.
I have 20 years experience with just abotu every make of vehicle on the planet, but with teh MB, I am clueless.