DRRRRRRROP and rim size

[rman]

Before eveyone starts nagging me, yes i used search, but no, i didn't find exactly what i was looking for.

Looking to drop the shit out my ride, and stuff some 19s in there. How low can i go with staggered 19s, and what tire size do you all recommend? Will I have to roll the fenders?

I am thinking of getting some stock springs, cutting 2 coils, and throwing some #5 or #6 pads. How bad will my camber be and how hard will it be to fix it? I keep reading how hard it is to get ahold of this speedybenz guy, are there any other methods of correcting camber?

I'll probably roll the stock rims for awhile, being that I'm broke. The long-term plan is 19's or 20's on bags.....hopefully sometime in 2006

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by rman
Before eveyone starts nagging me, yes i used search, but no, i didn't find exactly what i was looking for.
You'll never find the EXACT information on this site, but one would think with all the information that can be obtained, you'd be able to answer most of your questions and draw you own conclusions.

[rman]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
You'll never find the EXACT information on this site, but one would think with all the information that can be obtained, you'd be able to answer most of your questions and draw you own conclusions.

if that were the case then i wouldn't be asking. but thanks.

[jnolte]

Originally posted by rman
if that were the case then i wouldn't be asking. but thanks.

anyone with a brain can find that info on the forum


but for starters go with a 225/35/19 front and a 245/30/19 rear if you are going to massivly drop it like you said

[rman]

thanks for the positive replies.

you all have done a wonderful job of making me feel at home

[Proven Guilty]

Originally posted by rman
thanks for the positive replies.

you all have done a wonderful job of making me feel at home

i think you would have had a much better reply if your initial post didn't sound so "hoodrat"

most any drop you do will require you to roll the fenders if you go wider than a 225 up front, but a search would have told you that.

(perhaps you didn't search and research very much before starting your post with "before anyone starts nagging me").

Lastly, this community is built on more of "do it right the first time" rather than "how ghetto can i make my mercedes". cutting stock springs is probably the worst possible route you could go.

the largest pad you can go is a #4 in the rear unless you stack 201 pads with them, and why go 5 or 6 in the front if your plan is to cut the coils in the first place? just look into an H&R cup kit, and that will give you that "dumped" look you're probably going for.

[rman]

i think you would have had a much better reply if your initial post didn't sound so "hoodrat"
wow, didn't think i sounded like a hoochie mama


(perhaps you didn't search and research very much before starting your post with "before anyone starts nagging me").
sorry if my "internet tone" wasn't apprarent and my sarcastic humor was misinterpreted as beeing a "hoodrat"



Lastly, this community is built on more of "do it right the first time" rather than "how ghetto can i make my mercedes". cutting stock springs is probably the worst possible route you could go. Heating and recompressing coils is the worst possible route.
Cutting isn't bad if you know the proper way to cut a coil spring, and supplement it with the proper shocks.
I'd rather have cut coils and aftermarket shocks anyday over the people on here who are "doing it right the first time" with lowering springs and stock shocks.



the largest pad you can go is a #4 in the rear unless you stack 201 pads with them, and why go 5 or 6 in the front if your plan is to cut the coils in the first place? just look into an H&R cup kit, and that will give you that "dumped" look you're probably going for.
Right, but also, in my "searching endeavors" i read about someone cutting coils and using the thickest pad to get low and stay smooth.

[rman]

seriously everyone, i'm not trying to pick a fight here.

with EVERY FORUM out there when someone [new] asks a question, everyone directs them to the search button.

Of course i've searched, and of course i've deducted my own opinions. But every situation is different, and I was just looking for some specific answers.

How hard would it be to take the extra 15 seconds to type out an answer for me, and welcome someone failry new?
Even if you are too lazy, would it be that much trouble to search it to prove me wrong, and then provide me with the search results? Or at least a proper search query?

Okay, so anything over a 225 in the front requires rolling. On a stock suspension? Lowered 1" Dumped 2.5"? So many factors, is it a crime for me to ask people with experience with these cars? I've owned my 202 for 3 weeks (yesterday) and come from a completely different automotive background, which I'm trying to integrate with the benzo.

I'm used to big rollers and low frames. I think I can tastefully stuff some classy rims in the fenders and lay out the body on an air suspension. Not everyone will like it, but I will. Not everyone like my lowered truck with chrome 20s, and not everyone appreciates a mustang with no mufflers and an idle that barely holds.

I'm not going to paint flames on the benz, put a giant wing on it, or mold monitors into the bumpers. But on the other side of that coin, I'm not going to get monoblocks and a 1.3" drop all around with a rieger/wald/amg body kit and roof spoiler.

Forgive me for being me. I'm a custom to the T type of guy, and with no offense, this is not a true custom site. But I am on here to gain knowledge of the 202 so that I can carry on with my custom endeavors, and meet people and make friends while I do so. I even hope to have some of my crazy shit rub off on you all and encourage you to do somethign not so cookie cutter, and maybe not so accepted wiht the whole mb/german/euro/dtm crowd.

I mean seriously, i'm sure many of you would shake your head in dissapointment if i posted pics of my 202 tucking rim with the side skirts on the ground and shaved everything.
A few of you would love it, and it's the few of you that I would do it for (outside of myself, duh).

I do appologize for being an abrassive personality on this site, but I do know that I am not out of line.

I'd like to start over and despite having a search feature, i'd still like to hear the input of others.

Thank you
Armand

*******edit - - i don't plan on shaving anything of the car :rolleyes: ...but i would like to lay it the fuck out on bags

[Denlasoul]

If you would have searched and checked other people's information (those who have 19's), you could have easily discovered a very good tire combination to use.

Next, you say you want to cut 2 coils. You car will drop proportionately to the amount of 2 coils, something like 6 inches (Im guessing). Dumping your car 6 inches will no doubt have major camber issues. If you did not already know that, then I'd have to question your knowledge of modding, or cars in general.

In addition, you would have found that adjusting the camber (rear, that is) has only a few options, one of them is speedybenz. There are other's out there, and if you would have searched, you would have come across them.

Lastly, I did not think you came across as "hoochie" or whatever else was said. Honestly, I could care less what you do to your car....it's your car, my opinion should not matter. What does matter, is that the information you seem to cannot find is there. Maybe you need some help piecing it all together, nothing wrong with that. I do know for a fact that this infomration and many related to it has been addressed many many many many many times.

I gets tiring answering the same question all the time. Take a few minutes and Search. If you did not find the information on the first try, try another word association. I think in your case, "tire size," "camber," "cutting coils" would have likely given you the information you need. :rolleyes:

[rman]

Originally posted by Denlasoul
[B]Next, you say you want to cut 2 coils. You car will drop proportionately to the amount of 2 coils, something like 6 inches (Im guessing). Dumping your car 6 inches will no doubt have major camber issues. If you did not already know that, then I'd have to question your knowledge of modding, or cars in general.


thanks for the info. there is a recent thread, i think ocklass', where he said he chopped 1.8 coils up front and 1.7 coils out back on #1 pads to achieve a 2.5" drop. He was mimicking the physical appearance of the brabus coil.
That's where I figured cutting 2 coils off of the stock spring.

It'd be a perfect example, but he's on 17s i believe.

[SLAMMED_C]

There are many options here. with a staggered 19" setup I odnt hink you will be able to drive very smoothly dropped that much!.. but maybe you can depending on tire size.
for a 19" rim.. the fornt have a few options.. you can go 225 35 as was mentioned.. or go with a 235/35 as I did. I like the look of the 235 tire on a 8.5" rim. the tire seems to sit on the rim nicely. and of course you can go wider!!.. but you would really need to modify the fenders for that.
as for rears.. as was mentioned you can go the 245 35 route as many people do.. but the whole point of a staggered set up is to have a staggered set up.. not run 10mm more tread out back!.. so most of us with staggered wheels run a 265 30 on the rear.. you can go up to a 295 if ya want.. but that will require the absolute most perfect rim offset and width to obtain that.
as for the cutting 2 coils!.. that salot!.. I just think that the springs abilities would be compensated and the ride would just be hella bouncy! I wouldnt do any more then 1 coil off the springs and then just run the lowest pads front and rear.
the best route to go is buy a set of eibachs of H&R's and cut them a coil. that will give you the drop you want.

What shocks are available for our cars that can handle a car being lowered that excessivly? I find even with my Koni adjustables my car tends to bottom out on bumps and the shocks just cant keep up sometimes!
who makes shorter shocks?

as for camber compaines.. speedybenz is the best IF.. IF ya can get a hold of him. but there is K-mack, I think there is another one.. but cant remember it off hand.

any excessive amount of lowering with wide wheels will require lots of fender rolling!! Id say anything wider then a 225 up front will require fender rolling and anything wider then 245-255 in back will require a light massage for the rear fenders.. but even then you will probably be okay without any mods to the rear.

hope this helps.. welcome to the club.

[jnolte]

i run a 265/30/19 in the rear and i rubbed with only H&Rs. I had to cut out some of the inner fender. I also have perfec 35et offset.

your gunna have to runn a 245 to clear with that much of a drop

[OCKlasse]

If I were you rman, I would cut coils on #1 pads and here is why. If you cut TOO MUCH, you can just buy larger pads. If you cut them on #6 pads and they are too low, you have no other options. My brother (THE LO C) has the Brabus springs cut a coil at the most on 19 * 8.5 inch Carlssons. He does not have any rubbing issues, and has a 40 offset all around (he is running 15mm spacers in the rear) Here is an attached pic of this car, and finally of my car for reference. Good Luck man :bunny:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/trefiveincognito/C43/c43004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/trefiveincognito/C43/c43007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/trefiveincognito/C230/June%2006/DSC05909.jpg

[SLAMMED_C]

Originally posted by OCKlasse
If I were you rman, I would cut coils on #1 pads and here is why. If you cut TOO MUCH, you can just buy larger pads. If you cut them on #6 pads and they are too low, you have no other options. My brother (THE LO C) has the Brabus springs cut a coil at the most on 19 * 8.5 inch Carlssons. He does not have any rubbing issues, and has a 40 offset all around (he is running 15mm spacers in the rear) Here is an attached pic of this car, and finally of my car for reference. Good Luck man :bunny:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/trefiveincognito/C43/c43004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/trefiveincognito/C43/c43007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/trefiveincognito/C230/June%2006/DSC05909.jpg

ALl I can say is... HOT HOT HOT!!

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by SLAMMED_C
ALl I can say is... HOT HOT HOT!!

thanks...go comment on my new members gallery pics, they haven't been getting much lovin, lol

[rman]

THANK YOU!!!!

What would you approximate the total drop to be on your brother's car? hmmmm.....

but thanks again, that clears up a lot

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by rman
THANK YOU!!!!

What would you approximate the total drop to be on your brother's car? hmmmm.....

but thanks again, that clears up a lot

we are EXTREMELY close to the same height. I am SLIGHTLY lower because I have 18s and he has 19s, but that aside we are essentially the same height.

[The LO C]

I had to do some playing around with the spring cutting and pads...but just cut about 1/2 coil at a time until you get your desired height...I think I did 1 up front and 3/4 in the rear, but have #5 pads up front and #1's in the rear. Screwy I know, but like I said, I had to "fine tune." Cut a little off of the bumpstops and it will ride close to factory.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/trefiveincognito/C43/c43003.jpg

[rman]

hmmm....so

1 front coil on #5's and 3/4 rear coil on #1's on brabus springs gave you about the same as your brother's 1.8/1.7 on #1 pads on stock springs

doesn't sound too far off my original theory of 2 coils on #5 pads. I am looking for some stock springs to cut so that I have my originals if all hell breaks loose.

I'll probably start with 1 coil, then do 1/4 coil at a time after that....

I am just wondering how much more comfortable thicker pads will make....guess i won't know until i try it

[The LO C]

Just remember that 1 coil will do more drop than you think...but your theory sounds pretty right on. Also make sure you have a full or empty tank of gas when measuring...it makes a difference!

[c280nz]

you may want to cut your bump stops in half or maby cut a bit more than that off to keep some travel. you can also take out the plastic guard liners out to reduce rubbing, although i just left myne in and let it rub itself a clearing.
and also had to hammer out inside of rear guards, but that was before camber adjustment.
as said though cut on number 1 pads that way if it turns to shit you can buy fatter pads