...Turbo C230K Dyno tuning...

[c280nz]

nah myne didnt slip out of gear just a bit sloppy.
i pulled down my g/box and replaced all the bearings throughout,
everything else was pritty good

yea and lighting up 255s in 1-3 nice show of hp, how much boost you feeding to that poor little 2.2ltr to do that

[pisit]

Originally posted by c280nz
nah myne didnt slip out of gear just a bit sloppy.
i pulled down my g/box and replaced all the bearings throughout,
everything else was pritty good

yea and lighting up 255s in 1-3 nice show of hp, how much boost you feeding to that poor little 2.2ltr to do that

toturing the 2.2 at 14psi :devious: with every internal parts standard! just head polish work and nth else. amazingly there isn't any knock at all. don't know how long the engine will last though.
oh well, worse come to worse, will get custom Mahle or CP forged piston

[Pagz]

14psi with that high compression!!

I would guess your running over 300hp with that?!,what fuel are you running?(definatly 98+ me thinks)

The internals should hold up ok(i think)...as long as you avoid any knock or pre igntion =)....anyhow it will be a good test of the OE stength!,i wish i had left mine stock so i could have tested it also!.

I dont get much wheel spin atm,as the wastegate is hard open from idle(5.5psi spring)...but when i finally install the new housing and get boost undercontrol with the motec i should get much more power in the lower rpm.


cheers

[pisit]

running on 95, the highest octane i can get here.

with the F-Con SZ piggyback i can control the fuel with no problem, but i'm trying to find a way to control the ignition timing. the way that my mechanic can think of, is that i need to modified the OE ecu by bypassing the ignition driver and use the one from the F-Con. Sound very complicated, so I'm not really sure how it would be done. if i can get the control the ignition time right, i think i can avoid the knock and pre-ignition problem.

i'm using a HKS EVC 6 boost control unit. it's a great unit but pretty hard to get the initial setting right. the unit uses a stepping motor to control the wastegate instead of a solenoid. mine is an internal wastegate with 6 psi spring. With its soft spring, it causes a boost drop at higher rpm. EVC has the map boost feature that help me fixed this problem. Since u r using an external wastegate and motec, i think that it would make thing easier. i would recommend using an stepping motor.

[RemoLexi]

hey just out of curiousity,

how difficult is it to add a piggyback?

does it replace the OE ecu ?

[pisit]

not that difficult from what i was told. some wire mod, sensor calibration and tuning. it's doesn't replace the OE ecu. there are two types of piggback, the one manipulating input signal and the other one manipulates the output. F-Con use the output method. i think e-manage ultimate works the same way but can't change ignition timing.

but for the f-con, u would need some with the access to the powerwriter software offered by authorized HKS tuner.

[RemoLexi]

and how much does an f-con cost ?

[c280nz]

i have the greddy e-manage.
it has the option to control ignition timing, but also is very complicated.
so pisit are you running stock ignition timing at present?

[pisit]

Originally posted by RemoLexi
and how much does an f-con cost ?

about 1,000 USD with installation and tuning

Originally posted by c280nz
i have the greddy e-manage.
it has the option to control ignition timing, but also is very complicated.
so pisit are you running stock ignition timing at present?

sorry for the miss info for emanage
i'm running stock ignition but soon to be change, i just drop my old ecu to my tuner today. see if he can figure out what to do with the ignition timing. if not, i will stick with the currently setup for a while.

[c280nz]

that is impressive on stock timing.

Paul one of my mates was telling me about a silver turbo c23 with a kit in the latest performance car mag!!!
so i had a look online

[Pagz]

Originally posted by pisit
running on 95, the highest octane i can get here.

with the F-Con SZ piggyback i can control the fuel with no problem, but i'm trying to find a way to control the ignition timing. the way that my mechanic can think of, is that i need to modified the OE ecu by bypassing the ignition driver and use the one from the F-Con. Sound very complicated, so I'm not really sure how it would be done. if i can get the control the ignition time right, i think i can avoid the knock and pre-ignition problem.

i'm using a HKS EVC 6 boost control unit. it's a great unit but pretty hard to get the initial setting right. the unit uses a stepping motor to control the wastegate instead of a solenoid. mine is an internal wastegate with 6 psi spring. With its soft spring, it causes a boost drop at higher rpm. EVC has the map boost feature that help me fixed this problem. Since u r using an external wastegate and motec, i think that it would make thing easier. i would recommend using an stepping motor.

If the F-con has ignition drivers as you say you should be able to install a dual ignition module(2 in 1 solid state relay)and feed the two OE wasted spark coil packs from it.
you would just need to remove the two ignition wires from the OE ecu.

Do you have ASR still active?

[Pagz]

Originally posted by c280nz
that is impressive on stock timing.

Paul one of my mates was telling me about a silver turbo c23 with a kit in the latest performance car mag!!!
so i had a look online

Yeh man thats me

[pisit]

Originally posted by 23K
If the F-con has ignition drivers as you say you should be able to install a dual ignition module(2 in 1 solid state relay)and feed the two OE wasted spark coil packs from it.
you would just need to remove the two ignition wires from the OE ecu.

Do you have ASR still active?

mine doesn't have ASR to worry about
mayb that cause the wheel spin

[Pagz]

Originally posted by pisit
mine doesn't have ASR to worry about
mayb that cause the wheel spin

Ah thats right yours has a standard mechanical throttle body?,fairly sure only the drive by wire models had ASR but i may be wrong.
I dont have ASR either anymore as the ASR module has no control over the engine,the light is perminantly up on the dash will need to fix that one day!.

Haha unfortunatly lack of ASR doesnt cause wheel spin =D...it could only be alllll those horses you have =)

[c280nz]

just do what i do with warning lights...
take out bulbs

[RemoLexi]

Originally posted by c280nz
just do what i do with warning lights...
take out bulbs

or just stick black electric tape over the instrument cluster so it blocks the light.

[Section 8]

23k post up the pages of the mag with ya car init so we can all havea look

[Pagz]

haha yeh probly just take out the bulb for the ASR =),failing that tape will do =P

But then theres the ABS and SRS...which i think will need to go to be able to get a wof =)....would rather have them actually work properly then install a timed circuit to switch them =)


Ah yeah it may be possible to scan the mag as have a scanner here at work though might have to find a site to host in a higher res than cardomain does =)

[Pagz]

Here we go...the write up is ok,a few things in the write up arn't 100% correct due to some confusion of what was done but its very close.







Cheers,
Paul

[trymonlam]

great to have paul to represent the 202 community!

[pisit]

RESPECT MANG!

[c280nz]

*goes to shop to buy magazine*

just out of interest do you have any logs of the a/f ratio from your tune or driving?
i just bought a wideband and are going to basic tune myself.

[Pagz]

thanks guys =)


Pretty keen there logan =)
sorry dont have any of the a/f ratio maps,and i cant load anything off the motec as i currently dont run a wideband sensor,it runs completely off air/fuel maps.

[C280_Spawrt]

ah i can't read the words!!!!!

WOW that is such an accomplishment Paul, you really are doing some innovative things to your car and are helping to pave way for other members like ourselves to tackle creative projects of our own. best of luck to you and your car

Anthony

[Pagz]

Ah sorry about that Anthony,its as big as photobucket allowsme to show it,anyone know another site to hoste it larger?

Thanks man,it took alot of effort to get to where it is....Unfortunatly it hasnt all been without a trade-off...

Tip of the day: If you do follow a similar path make sure you spend more time with your gurl than on your car.....because if she decides to leave theres a high chance you will loose all that hard work anyway =)

Cheers,
Paul