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    DIY transmission

    Hello


    Yesterday I started down the long road of transmission removal on my 2000 c230. It has 310,000KMs on it and the transmission recently stopped engaging after two years of 4th gear slippage. Now it makes a lot of whining sounds when put into drive or reverse. It will only move a little bit at high rpms. The shift lever still moves through all positions.

    So far I have the drive shaft unbolted, the two trans fluid lines unbolted, transmission supported on a jack and all but two torx head bolts left.

    The problem is the two head bolts near on the top side of the bell housing that are being a bitch. No eartly socket wrench will fit in there so I am wondering if there is another way to get to those two bolts. Tomorrow I am looking into a long wrench that I can slide over the bolts.


    Here are some pics of the work so far.









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    You must have about 28 inches of clearance from the floor to the bottom of the car to get the transmission out easily. Those top two bolts are a pain in the rear, but they can be removed. You must support the motor as it will want to move front and rear when you are removing the xmission.

    A write-up I did after I swapped the transmission in my car: transmission failure
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    hey! i actually read your post but where are your pictures? Can you please bring them back up!?

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    MCB (where these pics were hosted) was moved to a new server last night. Let me see if I can get the pics back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhmercracer View Post
    MCB (where these pics were hosted) was moved to a new server last night. Let me see if I can get the pics back.
    that would be awesome thanks!

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    Just finished up on my own transmission swap. You can access the bolts on the top of the bell housing using an angle wrench. Believe me, there's just no room to stuff an impact wrench down there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W202FTW View Post
    Just finished up on my own transmission swap. You can access the bolts on the top of the bell housing using an angle wrench. Believe me, there's just no room to stuff an impact wrench down there.
    FTW can you please share any other information to help me with the process? I would really appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhmercracer View Post
    MCB (where these pics were hosted) was moved to a new server last night. Let me see if I can get the pics back.


    thx for getting these up again

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    Here is an update:

    First I want to mention a couple of important things.

    1. I removed the transmission without a special transmission jack and with only 17.5 inches of clearance from floor to jacking point of car. The transmission is only about 14 inches tall at the tallest point.
    2. The transmission must be removed with the torque convertor attached! Without the torque convertor the transmission WILL NOT come out. Ask me how I know.
    3. The exhaust system does NOT need to be removed from the car.


    Transmission Removal steps:
    1. The very first thing to do is jack the car up to as high as you can get it. I had no issues raising the car from the centre support directly behind the oil pan. I used a 3 ton jack to accomplish this. The rear of the car does not need to be jacked up. Once you have carefully and slowly raised the car, position jack stands underneath the jacking points. Get another pair of jack stands and position them underneath the control arm support frame (you can see this in the pictures below).

    2. Put the transmission in Neutral, apply the parking brakes, and chalk the rear wheels for peace of mind.

    3. remove the plastic shield covering up the oil pan area

    4. Get ready to drain the transmission oil from the transmission pan, use a torx bit to remove the oil pan bolt, let most of the oil drip out. Trust me you will have other things to do.

    5. You may want to drain the torque convertor also. I didn’t really care about that. The worst thing that happens if you don’t is that you will get about one liter of transmission oil on your floor. To drain the torque convertor get a 27MM socket for the crank bolt--and rotate the engine CLOCKWISE until you see the torx head bolt on the torque convertor. Remove the bolt, drain the oil.

    6. There are two hard oil lines that bolt onto the bottom and top of the transmission, these send hot oil to the radiator and return cooled oil to the transmission. Get wrench and gently undo the head bolts. There is very little torque required to get these off. Generally there will be some oil here that should just drain into your oil catch pan.

    7. These hard lines are also bolted to the engine oil pan for support, undo the torx head bolts so that you can move the hard lines freely.

    8. While you are here and admiring the underbody of your car, look towards the exhaust side and you will see the oxygen sensor and the exhaust manifold. Remove the two bolts that hold the exhaust pipe to the manifold. The exhaust is till held in place by a bracket that’s bolted onto the bell housing.

    9. Now up to the engine side. Trace the oxygen senor wire to your emission box and unplug the sensor. You do not need to remove the oxygen sensor from the exhaust pipe. You just need to move the whole exhaust up and away so you have more room to unbolt the transmission from the engine.

    10. If your transmission oil is in good condition, save it. Put you dirty tools in it for a good cleaning.

    11. While the oil is draining head towards the back of the transmission. Support the transmission (under the pan is fine, I caused no damage to the pan) with a regular 2 ton jack and a couple of pieces of 2x4s. DON’T just put the jack metal to metal. You may have the luxury of buying a transmission jack. By all means please do.

    12. Now remove the four bolts for the transmission support bracket. This is where the transmission mount sits. Sorry I don’t have pictures for this procedure but it’s pretty straightforward. You may have to put tension on the jack before you take out the last bolt.

    13. Since you are in the area you better remove the exhaust support bolts from the bracket that is attached to the back of the transmission. I left the bracket on the transmission and just unbolted the exhaust from it.

    14. You should now be able to see the flex disc on the transmission output shaft. You need to remove only THREE bolts. I believe they are 19MM. Make sure you mark the drive shaft and output disc on two sides so you can then re-align appropriately.

    15. Now here is the tricky bit, you will probably be able to get two of the three bolts out but one of them will surely by at the 12 o-clock position. To get to it you will need to rotate the rear wheels so that drive shaft rotates and reveals the hidden bolt. You can do this easily by jack the rear of the car. I accomplished this by jack the car from the rear hook. Its only for a few seconds, you want the car back down on rear wheels.

    16. Once all three bolts are removed, get a pry bar or strong flat head screw driver and pry the drive shaft away from the flex disc. You may have to release the tension on the transmission support jack to persuade the transmission to drop a little bit.

    17. No head back to the front of the car. There are a total of ten torx head bolts holding the transmission to the engine. You can remove 7 from underneath the car and three from the top.

    18. These bolts were the most difficult part for me. But for you they will be piece of cake learning from my mistakes.

    19. Go ahead and break the torque on the lower torx head bolts and then remove them. There isn’t a lot of
    torque on these so don’t rush with the air gun. I had only two stubborn bolts that needed the air ratchet. The others where removed with my fingers! Just a note that one of the torx bolts is a double for the ground so that will come off naturally. I think it’s in one of the pictures. There are a couple of bolts near that seem impossible from the under side. Believe me they are not.

    20. Now that you are holding seven torx bolts its time to put some tension on the transmission support jack and raise the transmission up as much as possible. This will pivot the engine forward revealing an extra inch for you to remove the top three torx head bolts.

    21. I removed the heat shield and the removable firewall frame all greater visibility and maneuverability. To remove the heat shield and metal frame you will need to remove what looks like a breather line from the booster to the intake.

    22. next you need to remove the coil cover and then remove all ignition coils and wires

    23. Next remove the several 10MM head bolts holding the valve cover on. Hey this is a great time to replace your valve cover gasket and ignition coil seals. I am doing this. There is one 10MM head bolt at the very back of the valve cover; it’s almost hidden so make sure you remove that one before trying to pry the cover off.

    24. If you haven’t replaced the gasket recently your valve cover will not budge. I tried hitting it gently with a rubber hammer—no luck. I tried pulling upwards from the engine oil cap—no luck. Then last resort was to get a clean flat head screwdriver and gently pry at the corner where the metal is thick. This did the trick for me and I was able to lift the valve cover off. Cover the exposed valves with a cloth or paper towels.

    25. Get an 11MM wrench and a pipe to break the torque on the three torx head bolts. You will be surprised that after you break the torque you will be able remove the bolts with your fingers. Now you have all bolts removed from the transmission to the engine. YAY!

    26. Here is the trick, to remove the transmission you have to pull the torque convertor with it. Get your trusty 27MM socket and ratchet on an extension and rotate the engine CLOCKWISE and look through the opening through the flywheel. There are SIX 13MM head bolts that hold the torque convertor on to the fly wheel. Remove all six bolts you will have to rotate the engine after each one. I had my neighbor give me a hand with this. So get a buddy.

    27. Lower the transmission support jack to separate the transmission from the engine. Just enough so you can get a pry bar and separate the torque convertor from the flywheel and get it all the way inside the transmission bell housing.

    28. Now you can lower the transmission several inches.

    29. Go over to the driver side and get under the transmission, on the driver’s side of the transmission you will see the shift linkage, it’s held in place with a clip. Remove it and push the linkage out.

    30. Now go over the passenger side and look up around the middle of the transmission you will see a 10MM head bolt that holds the fill tube onto the transmission. Loosen the head bolt with a wrench and should be able to wrestle the fill tube out from the engine compartment.

    31. Because I didn’t have a transmission jack I wrapped nylon strap around the bell housing and positioned my support jack towards the rear of the transmission. I had my buddy slowly lower the strap as I lowered the jack. Once low enough I slipped a 2x4 under the transmission and the pulled it onto a waiting piece card board.

    I wrote all of this from memory so I may have missed a bolt of two, but I don’t think I have missed anything important that I know will save you a lot of headache and hassle.

    Besides the 27MM and torx bits and sockets no other special tools were required.











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    Awesome post. I did my how-to months after I completed the swap. I do recommend getting the car as high as you SAFELY can. the extra room makes removing the transmission much easier. And installation with the extra room makes the job much easier.

    Wow there is NO room behind the engine in the I-4 cars.

    I have a V-6 car, so removing the exhaust is a must.

    You should repost your how-to on benzworld in the W210 transmission area. Many people could benefit from your work.
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    Thanks. I agree the higher the better. Unfortunately I was borrowing my neighbors 3ton jack and it literally maxed out about 17 inches. I might have to invest in a better jack myself for the reinstall.

    I will report at benzworld

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    For future reference (for those of you guys who may attempt this), the transmission job is a plug and play operation. There's no special electronic tricks to link the TCM to the new transmission. As of today my new transmission works great.

    I used a staggered combo wrench to access the top bolts of the bell housing. Yes I did it by hand - no it was not fun and if you have large hands and arms don't bother. Unfortunately I had to disconnect a cooling line which naturally spilled coolant all over the place. Yuck.
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    Great post, what did you put in as a replacement? Another W202 5G tronic or was it an unspecified unit? I was thinking if you are going to go through the trouble of swapping it out, it may be worth while to get one from a V8 or V12 car since they should be the same housing and are just tougher.
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    wow mykg4orce that was one of the few posts I've ever read where I am like "wow I need to vote/+rate this post!!!" but alas this forum doesn't do that, so ++ for you in fake ratings!

    A quick question, has anyone removed/replaced a transmission from a car with the ASM or whatever, traction control system, and if so does it connect to the tranny? Whenever my transmission needs replacement I have been thinking about whether there may be 5 speed options for the c36 to replace the automatic, although the automatic transmission does actually shift pretty well and seems to determine shifting based on driving pretty accurately. I think mine has a bit more life left surprisingly at 230k, the fluid level has remained very consistent and I don't see any metal filings or indication of damage on the dipstick. The previous owner or maybe even the one before him didn't have the vacuum system routed very well and it shifted extremely hard which I think may have actually helped preserve the clutch since now that I have done it correctly it shifts incredibly smooth, I've even stated that it shifts smoother then my mother's brand new Honda CR-V.

    I do gotta fix the connection between the shift knob and the transmission, it is loose and makes the transmission go right through reverse, I've had to pull through in parking lots and push my car a little back into the driveway to catch the decline and roll down for a couple months.

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    We have ASM in our cars. If you mean ASR that is a trick diff that was available in some cars before we had electronic traction control. It's like a wimpy LSD. A better upgrade would be to find the LSD form a 190e Cosworth. Its a drop in replacement but good luck finding one.
    Completely mad.
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    '86 MKIV Escort RS Turbo, stock for now, chip and more boost on the way
    '75 Fiat 124 Spider, koni shocks, bigger carb and drilled/slotted brakes
    to tune and hoon the mbz master race.

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