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Thread: 1998 Mercedes C230 (Non-Kompressor) Custom CAI using Spectre components. Not a ''short-ram''.

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    Would a Vortech FMU be ok to use with stock injectors ecu for 6psi or so until was able to get a Standalone ecu?
    I wouldn't. instead of buying a cheaper short term solution, just be patient and save up so you can do it right the first time.

    The most expensive part of all this would be the ECU, the rest of the components I will be doing the install and some fabrication (short of the manifold).

    Who on here would be able to make a harness/loom for a standalone ecu. Also what standalone ECU do you guys recommend for the C230?

    I hate wiring, but would do it if i could find the wiring diagrams. Plus I would push for HALTECH they have a new ''self learning'' AFR setup and a lot of other neat options avail with their standalones.
    The Haltech I will be getting soon was quoted at $2080 installed tuned and on the road. What you will end up using is a flying loom harness because they don't make a plug n' play for our cars. Any reputable tuning shop that supports Haltech should be able to do the installation for you.


    I'm wondering if UPSOLUTE could tune for a low boost turbo setup (a basic map to make some datalog runs), I'd have to buy a wideband setup and data log for them to fine tune it.
    In theory but I don't know how good it will be.

    I was looking at possibly fabbing up a mounting bracket for a Vortech V3 SCI-trim used on imports like the S2000, good for small displacement vehicles.
    Nobody has ever done that, vortechs are pretty awesome. You could be the first to try.

    There was a black w202 C230K in a euro tuner magazine, said that he had changed to a bigger 3in maf, and an FMU, larger injectors and that was all for tuning. He was pushing 9psi, this car had a full C36 amg body kit. Thats all I remember reading about it.
    I believe you are referring to this its a C220 which explains the 9psi. From here it looks like a well executed budget turbo build.
    Completely mad.
    '99 C230K, intake and exhaust more on the way.
    '86 MKIV Escort RS Turbo, stock for now, chip and more boost on the way
    '75 Fiat 124 Spider, koni shocks, bigger carb and drilled/slotted brakes
    to tune and hoon the mbz master race.

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    So how did that guy with the black turbo C220 get his car to run right on stock ECU with what bigger injectors and which 3in MAF? That would simplify everything, but doesn't seem like that's all was done, he would've had to have some type of chip tuning to control igniton timing right? Someone enlighten me on this and the parts he used to get the turbo setup worked?

    The vortech idea wouldn't be tooo difficult aside from making a mounting bracket somehow to fit on the front of the engine, there is plenty of space on the passenger side for mounting and maybe do a water to air cooler on drivers side with heat exchanger up front on lower grill.

    What injectors are u guys running to support 300rwhp without gettin too hgh of a duty cycle? A walbro 255 or equivalent pump too?

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    I have a 3inch maf on the stock ecu and it works fine. The stock ecu can be reprogrammed, that isn't the issue. The issue is the stock isn't all that great. To tune it you have to pull the rom form the ecu instead of flashing through the OBDII port, there is no support for extra functions such as launch control, there is no room or a way to switch between a power map and an economy map and the tune itself wont be all that great. He is likely missing out on a lot of horsepower and mpg because of it. It can be made to work but I would only do it if you absolutely don't have the money for a standalone


    Also Renntech does transmission strengthening as well and its cheaper. They are pretty much the gold standard for aftermarket mercedes parts. If only they supported our cars.

    A walbro 255 is a good fuel pump, Paul runs Evo injectors on his car, not sure what slammed uses.


    Also don't forget about pulley for the vortech, the stock crank pulley is likely not the right size for the boost you want and it the pulleys likely have a different width belt they use.
    Completely mad.
    '99 C230K, intake and exhaust more on the way.
    '86 MKIV Escort RS Turbo, stock for now, chip and more boost on the way
    '75 Fiat 124 Spider, koni shocks, bigger carb and drilled/slotted brakes
    to tune and hoon the mbz master race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milenkogt View Post
    Hey guys,

    I'm Cory, just got validated to join the forum today.

    I own a 1998 Mercedes C230 (non kompressor), 4spd auto. Green w/ tan leather.

    204,000miles one owner, still gets 31mpg hwy lol.

    MODS: NGK Iridium IX plugs, Mobil 1 0w-40 full syn, Custom 3in CAI

    Here are some pictures.


    Stage 1 of the CAI: 3in aluminum piping post MAF, into ''triangular'' hole in frame underneath factory airbox location, then a 6in pipe attached to filter. Filter is exposed to direct outside air with a ram air effect.

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    The picture below shows the only opening where underhood air could be pulled into by the filter, but once moving the ram air effect through vent/grill takes over eliminating the underhood heat. However I plan on blocking the opening off with some ABS plastic or similar.
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    Here are 0-70mph and 0-90mph videos with the Stage 1 CAI.




    Here are some pictures of the Stage 2 upgrade: Consists of adding 3in pipe from the throttle body to the Pre MAF section. I noticed it was louder but a lot more responsive compared to stage 1. No videos yet, coming soon though.

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    Hope you all enjoyed, it was a cool project. Hardest part was getting the Spectre 90deg pipe trimmed to length to fit under the hood. Also, the breather/pcv system was a little tricky, but it all works!
    gonna be doing this this week can you let me in on what size piping you got and any modifications to them thanks!
    1997 c230 165k 2011-2013
    2003 c320 114k 2013-2014
    2002 e320 84k 2014-2015
    1999 c280 137k 2015-

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    here is my custom MAF housing btw.
    Completely mad.
    '99 C230K, intake and exhaust more on the way.
    '86 MKIV Escort RS Turbo, stock for now, chip and more boost on the way
    '75 Fiat 124 Spider, koni shocks, bigger carb and drilled/slotted brakes
    to tune and hoon the mbz master race.

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    Looking at the Spectre componenets, I see that they make a MAF aluminum housing for about $30. Still working on all the measurements to try this out on the m104.

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    I like that maf housing Zmatt is using, that would make my intake setup a true 3in all the way thru, as u all can see in my design i had to retain the stock MAF meter so its 3in to 2.5 or 2.75 maf housing back to 3in down to the small azz TB which is fine for a 4 cylinder CFM wise.

    Zmatt what 3in MAF are you using is it off the Kompressor or another W202 model. If I were to get this 3in MAF would I have to have my ECU retuned/chipped for this or would it be a plug n play affair?

    Btw I did the ECU reset for adaptive throttle and trans learning and just went out and ran a 0-60 (first run) manual shifting in 9.8secs followed by a 9.9 in "D" (drive), the stock is 10.5 so a 9.8 with everything stock and 204,000 miles with my CAI isn't too bad, thats a .7tenths drop, say .6 tenths, but still thats not bad at all imo.

    It is gonna be a while before I do the turbo setup, b/c the valid point of getting a lower compression 8.8:1 Kompressor engine would have to be bought first and foremost...so the point is I am gonna try all these NA mods first and report gains etc.

    Def gonna buy the Ebay header, worst it can do is the flange not be flush and it leak or a exhaust head stud could break off hope not... do this coupled with a custom 2-1/4in exhaust hopefully should drop another .5sec if i'm lucky.

    Then try the UPSOLUTE chip for 93 octane, claims of 15hp/16tq or so....Header is 10-15hp, exhaust maybe 7-10hp. So maybe getting 25 to 30hp out of the rest of these mods would be great. Won't be a rocket ship but I would atleast like to find out what it can do and drive it until I get the kompressor engine.

    I forgot to tell you guys tho, I do own a 2008.5 Nissan Titan crew cab that is currently awaiting a new mod finally developed for the Titan. It is a 90mm LS7 Throttle body, with an adapter plate to our stock manifold.

    This is my Titan,
    MODS:UPREV 93 Tune with Line Pressure Mod.
    -Relentless RPM 4in Cold Air Intake w/ ram air. & TB Bypass Mod
    -Doug Thorley (longtube) Headers & NO CATS
    -Dual 2.25 piping into Magnaflow X-pipe into:
    *Dual Magnaflow Magnapacks
    *Dual Flowmaster 40s
    *Dual APEXi (Japan) Resonators w/ 3in dumps.
    -PML Trans Pan, Transgo shift kit, Long SR4588 Trans Cooler
    -2005 Titan rear axle,Detroit TruTrac w/ 3.36 gears
    -NFABWORKS Traction BARS by CNALLICK
    -20x10 KMC XD Rockstars
    -Cooper Zeon LTZ 305/50/20
    340rwhp/370rwtq on a dynojet. 0-60 5.6sec, bout to get a new tune with the new 90mm TB, stock TB size is 75, intakemanfold inlet is 78mm. This mod is supposed to be good for atleast .3-.4tenths 0-60 reduction. Will post more once its installed and tuned.

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    So this is taking up most of my time for mods, such as new brakes are up next along with new CSF aluminum radiator and a set of JimWolf Technology Cams (32valve 4 cam engine) good for 35-40rwhp after tuning.

    The benz is my daily driver to work.

    Thanks again guys.

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    The MAF housing is custom. We looked into using a prefabbed one but they were too expensive so we just made it ourselves. The MAF itself is a stock unit, infact all bosch mafs are the same the difference is the size of the housing, so we just made the new housing and put the old sensor in. Works perfect. The thing you must be sure of is that the sensor is right in the middle of the pipe so it reads correctly. Right now it does get smaller into the TB piping, but the long term plan would be to do a plenum with individual runners and a larger TB.
    Completely mad.
    '99 C230K, intake and exhaust more on the way.
    '86 MKIV Escort RS Turbo, stock for now, chip and more boost on the way
    '75 Fiat 124 Spider, koni shocks, bigger carb and drilled/slotted brakes
    to tune and hoon the mbz master race.

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    Zmatt how much would it cost to make that custom 3in maf housing but only about. 6in long just enough to put a spectre coupling on each end? Who do I call? DIMartino fabrication?

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    If you don't mind shipping you could call andrew and have it done. he is a local fabricator and a friend of mine. he does all my work. I'm in Kentucky. If you do call him say that matt with the mercedes sent you.
    Completely mad.
    '99 C230K, intake and exhaust more on the way.
    '86 MKIV Escort RS Turbo, stock for now, chip and more boost on the way
    '75 Fiat 124 Spider, koni shocks, bigger carb and drilled/slotted brakes
    to tune and hoon the mbz master race.

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    Well I had to update my cold air intake kit temporarily, The filter was getting to wet under heavy down pour and I didn't have a bypass valve...

    So I retained the piping from the throttle body to the MAF and put back in the stock air box and opened up the factory ram air inlet behind the grill.

    I plan on running the cone filter inside the factory air box and running a ram air from the lower grill to the bottom side of the factory air box, should get similar results.

    Here are some pictures...

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    Will update again, when I get the cone filter mounted and enclosed the factory air box so it appears stock lol, but still has a ''intake'' sound and gets outside cool ''ram air'' from the lower grill area...

    I'm looking forward to making this work.
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    How do I get exact cai? cxxadele@gmail.com

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