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    Thanks mate. You have helped me make the task easier. Save our trouble in identifying what went wrong & running to the parts shop to get those items.

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    Got the suspension and braking system job done yesterday. 9 hours in total.

    These are what was swapped.

    Front :

    AMG calipers
    Brake rotors
    Wheel bearing carrier with new bearings (Yes, there's a slight difference compared to the C280)
    Sway bars
    Springs
    AMG absorbers
    Renewed the idle arm bush

    Rear
    Calipers
    Vented rotors
    Springs
    AMG absorbers
    Sway bar (this one was though. Hardly any room to get it out. In the end, loosen all bolts in the rear sub frame & brought it down a bit)

    Then an all wheel alignment.

    Wheels fender gap, front about 3 fingers and rear less than 2. Hopefully these will settle down in days or weeks ahead. Goodness, those front AMG Monoblock spokes just barely cleared the outside of the calipers. Probably by just 1 - 2 mms.

    Had a nice cup of coffee and now enjoying the nice firm but not harsh ride.

    Thanks Mbsickness for the tips.
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    Congrats on getting so much work done so quickly. Glad the brakes swapped over easily. With the C36 springs did the car come down at all? Since you have a donor car you should change out the trim on the lower edge of each door as there are AMG specific ones to accommodate the skirts. This will give you a cleaner look where the door meets the top of the skirts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbsickness View Post
    Congrats on getting so much work done so quickly. Glad the brakes swapped over easily. With the C36 springs did the car come down at all? Since you have a donor car you should change out the trim on the lower edge of each door as there are AMG specific ones to accommodate the skirts. This will give you a cleaner look where the door meets the top of the skirts.
    Good idea. That door rubber trim always looked out of place. I had thought of trimming them. Will check those on the donor car.

    Tyre/fender gap - The rear height is nice (less than 2 fingers) using 3 dot spring pads. Front is bit high in my opinion (3 fingers) using 4 dots spring pads.

    Let's see if the front will settle down in a few weeks. If this doesn't happen then I will replace the 4 dot spring pad with those 1 dot. Any idea what's the actual height difference we can achieve dropping the 4 dots to 1 dot?

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    Recently while replacing the front brake pads, I took the opportunity to paint the AMG calipers. Turns out that the brake pads were the same ones that were used on R129. Brand "textar" for the equivalent of USD45.

    Paint used : Simoniz 800 C high temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Hor View Post
    Recently while replacing the front brake pads, I took the opportunity to paint the AMG calipers. Turns out that the brake pads were the same ones that were used on R129. Brand "textar" for the equivalent of USD45.

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    Very nice. Have you gotten any further on the c36 engine/transmission swap? I have to be honest I have been considering a C36 engine swap myself. I just get hung how to handle stuff such as ASR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Hor View Post
    Let's see if the front will settle down in a few weeks. If this doesn't happen then I will replace the 4 dot spring pad with those 1 dot. Any idea what's the actual height difference we can achieve dropping the 4 dots to 1 dot?
    15mm. Each dot is a 5mm increment in size difference.

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    I am getting the C36 engine! I need some pointers to be sure that this engine is a real C36 and not a C280 with all the AMG goodies, like suspension, braking system, bodykit etc.

    Please share with me if there are any markings on the engine block, assembler plate etc.

    This C36 engine is coming from car with VIN WDB2020281F071239

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    Sorry double posting.

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    See if you can use that vin to join the official amg owners Club
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulaco View Post
    See if you can use that vin to join the official amg owners Club
    Brilliant idea!
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    You guys are just super. I have just managed to register at the official AMG Club. So this means that the car is a genuine AMG C36?

    http://www.mercedes-amg.com/privatelounge/homePage/

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    I think you are good to go. At least the VIN indicates it started out as a C36. Just for laughs I entered the VIN of a 97 C280 that was totaled a few years back and was denied an account. Please keep us posted as to the swap. I was considering doing the same but here in the United States my car is worth just pennies and I cannot justify the cost of a C36 motor swap despite how much I want to do it.
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    I know this is W202 forum but just wanted to share with you guys my other classic a 1979 E24 635CSI.
    Euro bumpers, M-Tech electric seats, rear blinds & rear air conditioner with cooler box.

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    EEEEWW a Bimmer cpe.....I hope you don't park that next to the Benzo......LOL j/k nice cpe....

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    The C280 has a 5 speed auto tranny and the donor AMG car is 4 speed. Would it be wise to stay with my current rear diff or should I transplant the C36 rear diff as well?

    I am planning to keep the 5 speed though.

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    keep the diff that came with the 5 speed

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    You are going to need to reuse everything off the C280 engine (intake manifold, throttle body, exhaust manifolds because 97' did not have EGR valve)

    You will need to use the flex plate off your 97' engine as well as the wiring harness, crank sensor.

    You will find that a C280 water pump is slightly different then the C36 due to the cooler at the oil filter housing.

    It's all easy to swap, just make sure you swap all the electronics over from your C280. 96' had a totally different DME.

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    Thanks, RemoLexi, I checked my current manifold and it has the EGR. I will only be making use of the engine, (exhaust & intake manifold if these are possible) for this conversion.

    Wonder if my 722.6 GB can handle this extra hp.

    Does anyone knows what are the hp gains I could get from this conversion?


    Quote Originally Posted by RemoLexi View Post
    You are going to need to reuse everything off the C280 engine (intake manifold, throttle body, exhaust manifolds because 97' did not have EGR valve)

    You will need to use the flex plate off your 97' engine as well as the wiring harness, crank sensor.

    You will find that a C280 water pump is slightly different then the C36 due to the cooler at the oil filter housing.

    It's all easy to swap, just make sure you swap all the electronics over from your C280. 96' had a totally different DME.

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    I think all 722 mechanical transmissions are easily capable of handling 300 hp. I've read they're rated at 400hp but I'd feel safer saying 300.
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    Make sure you aren't confusing the EGR valve with the injection pump reciculation valve.

    Also, I am not 100% on this yet but, remove the cam sensors and see if the upper timing covers are the same (I know the sensors are different).

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    Will check on the EGR valve & timing cover thing when installing the engine. Yes, the cam sensor has different socket. Will move this from the C280 as well.

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    Here's the C36 engine. From the exterior couldn't tell the difference from other M104 engine. However I did notice that the intake manifold is much bigger with the stamp marking 140. I have read in some forum that's a AMG plate or something but not sure if that is inside the engine. Attached a picture of that plate.

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    Engine number for the C36 is quite funny. It's been punch XXX XX1

    Does anyone knows if this is normal for AMG engines. i think it should read as 104 941

    I am quite concern because in Malaysia the engine number is an integral part of vehicle registration.

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