Eurocharged ECU Tune: HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

[Sulaco]

I honestly don't know how to respond either. You meet one member who is suspicious about ecu tune and have it all figured out.

I guess I should apologize for killing the site.

I'm really not interested in fighting with you. I really want to be proven wrong about ecu tuning on mb, but am yet to see anything definitive. I did find one YouTube video of s guy who had an ecu tune in his c43/55 who did a before and after dyno run and lost hp.

[nd4spd13]

Don't know about "older" MBs necessarily, but on "another forum" there are people attesting to the wonders of ECU tuning everwhere you look. Editing cars timing maps isn't a new snake-oil remedy, it's been done for a long time. Personally, there are some tuners that will stick god-knows-what into the ECU of your car and claim 50+ horsepower. Then there are others such as Eurocharged, OE, Kleemann etc. that claim realistic figures, aren't budget solutions, and very often have dynos to back it all up.

As far as the cookie-cutter re-flashes go, it's true that they will never be as good as a tune that is performed while the car is on a dyno. But for free, they are pretty good, and imho the guys at EC know enough about what they're doing to figure out how the mods affect our engines pretty well. Especially for the C43, where our base engine is shared by many, many models.

And to the OP/goldini, there are two EC dealers in NC. One is Euro Classics LTD in Durham, and there's one I think out towards Greenville. There may be one in Charlotte too, I'm not sure. Euro Classics charges $90 labour on top of the price of the tune, the other one does not. I have worked with euroclassics a bit before and didn't much enjoy my time with them... I was planning to make the trip to greenville to get the tune.

[Sulaco]

I wonder what risks, if any, there are to ecu tuning an engine with high mileage? Would this even be a factor?

[C43inNC]

All I know is, you can feel a difference in my car. The gear shifts are better, the rev limiter is higher, and it's quicker. It makes the car run BETTER for sure. I'm spinning tires with ESP on, which I wasn't doing previous.

[Sulaco]

All I know is, you can feel a difference in my car. The gear shifts are better, the rev limiter is higher, and it's quicker. It makes the car run BETTER for sure. I'm spinning tires with ESP on, which I wasn't doing previous.

That's awesome, man. I'd really like to compare our cars. Your's also has more than 150k less miles than mine, so it would be faster than mine either way!

But I've always wanted to talk directly with another C43 owner to compare notes, especially the launch thing. When you say "spinning tires with the ESP on" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean from a dead stop and FLOORING IT makes it try to spin? Or are you doing a brake-primed launch (where you hold the brake pedal, push in about 1/5 throttle on the gas, and floor the gas and release the brake at the same time)?

[C43inNC]

Dead stop flooring it, haven't really tried throttling it with break on.

[anf6789]

launch the bitch

[Sulaco]

Hell yeah, man.

Typically ends up being a launch just like the one of this w210 E55: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUQSp2qAIL4

Something sexy about that...

[nd4spd13]

I honestly don't know how to respond either. You meet one member who is suspicious about ecu tune and have it all figured out.

I guess I should apologize for killing the site.

I'm really not interested in fighting with you. I really want to be proven wrong about ecu tuning on mb, but am yet to see anything definitive. I did find one YouTube video of s guy who had an ecu tune in his c43/55 who did a before and after dyno run and lost hp.

Just because this was just posted, thought I'd put it up here for people to check out. Obviously, this is an f/I car, which is going to be different from our NAs, but it still shows just what can be changed inside the ecu.

http://www.eurocharged.com/blog/320-...arged-e63track

Dead stop flooring it, haven't really tried throttling it with break on.

Just curious but what tires are you running? Also I may have asked you this at some point in the past, but where in nc are you?

[C43inNC]

Yeah you can add the guys on FB and they will tell you. They are constantly doing things on the E63.

[nd4spd13]

Yeah you can add the guys on FB and they will tell you. They are constantly doing things on the E63.

Yep that's where I saw it.

[Pagz]

Aiming back towards the start of the thread,Its not apples with apples. I hope your not comparing NA tuning with forced?.

The reality is,any tuner with the required knowledge and equipment can up Hp by removing some of the saftey net incorperated in a stock tune,its nothing special,its piss easy if you can simply vary the PWM on the solinoids feeding the turbo's and add more fuel like on your E63. I dont think there is anyone here that wouldnt agree with this.

What people want to know is if they spend money on an ECU flash for the C43 what is the actual result?

If the result is "it felt better" people are going to question it.

If you provide drag times,dyno's or some other reference people are more likey to agree with you. its really that simple.

Excuse me,im having a rough day.

[nd4spd13]

Aiming back towards the start of the thread,Its not apples with apples. I hope your not comparing NA tuning with forced?.

The reality is,any tuner with the required knowledge and equipment can up Hp by removing some of the saftey net incorperated in a stock tune,its nothing special,its piss easy if you can simply vary the PWM on the solinoids feeding the turbo's and add more fuel like on your E63. I dont think there is anyone here that wouldnt agree with this.

What people want to know is if they spend money on an ECU flash for the C43 what is the actual result?

If the result is "it felt better" people are going to question it.

If you provide drag times,dyno's or some other reference people are more likey to agree with you. its really that simple.

Excuse me,im having a rough day.

I was comparing NA with forced, but mentioned in my previous post that they're way different and I acknowledge that. As you said, either way it's essentially the same thing, minus the boost solenoid editing. Timing, rev limiter, top speed limiter, tuning for different fuels and different mods, all the same on our engines as the 63 engines, 55 engines, or any others.
It is true that Eurocharged at least has no actual dyno sheets or drag slips showing the gains they claim on the C43. There was a member on another forum that was going to do a pre and post dyno run with a ec tune + other mods, but it hasn't happened yet. I have been seriously thinking about getting this tune, and I will try and work out a pre and post dyno if I do. From what the op is saying though, it sounds at least somewhat successful.

Also mentioning something in an earlier thread, I also read somewhere that someone who replaced their 4.3l with the 5.4l indeed made more power with the stock, C43 ECU than they did once they switched it with mapping made for the 5.4l.

[RemoLexi]

I have to back up Pagz here, unless they held my ME and retuned it this is simply a G-force hoax I may as well tap a resistor to my IAT sensor.

Hence a REAL tune is on a dyno with your car actually being tuned otherwise why would I trust some hack with my ME that AMG tuned. You can claim to know all you want but you obviously take me for a fool if you want to trick me out of $500 for a blotchy 'tune'.

This thread is almost as good as the guy wanting to import and install a Chinese/Korean replica M104

[anf6789]

a forced induction tune is always going to produce results. up the boost up the fuel...power... much harder on an NA car. you can change the timing for higher octane fuel, but theres only so far you can get before it being unsafe. youll grab a couple HP of course, but nothing worth $500 on an NA car at least. Sure 335i's and GTI's gain really good results with tunes, because they are turboed. But if C43NC thinks it made a difference, thats all that matters its his car his money, he likes it there you go. A dyno sheet would be the best though

[RemoLexi]

Another question, does that's ME flash erase the encryption now required to be inspected during smog in CA per BAR smog regulations as of Jan 13' ?

Not all ME' encrypitions on German cars can be recoded back in place, forcing replacing the ME.

[anf6789]

Remo, could Eurocharged technically get into the 97 C36? my friends just got a dyno and will be working with eurocharged. just a thought instead of running a piggyback

[C43inNC]

You can see dyno sheets and whatnot for all the other cars Eurocharged has tuned. Why the hell would it be any different? And yes the car is remarkably different, if you don't want to believe it, that's cool. All I know is anyone who has ridden in my car pre/post tune sees the difference. Oh and by the way, one of my good friends owns a dyno shop and I'll be paying him a visit soon.

[nd4spd13]

I have to back up Pagz here, unless they held my ME and retuned it this is simply a G-force hoax I may as well tap a resistor to my IAT sensor.

Hence a REAL tune is on a dyno with your car actually being tuned otherwise why would I trust some hack with my ME that AMG tuned. You can claim to know all you want but you obviously take me for a fool if you want to trick me out of $500 for a blotchy 'tune'.

This thread is almost as good as the guy wanting to import and install a Chinese/Korean replica M104

I don't get it... you're downplaying a company's tuning ability to dyno tune a customer's otherwise stock car, save the tune, and distribute it to other customers? Kleeman, MKB, Renntech are some of the biggest MB tuning companies, and you're saying that their tunes are a hoax? If Jerry at EC, Jeremy at OE and others are all hacks, then I don't know who is pushing all the limits of the 55k and 63 powerplants at the moment... and yes, a tune is one of the first things they do.
Maybe $500 is too much to pay for an extra 25hp on a 15 year old car, that I can see, but they offer sales quite often, and there is no abundance of power-adders for our car anyway, especially with such high (relatively) gains for that price.

a forced induction tune is always going to produce results. up the boost up the fuel...power... much harder on an NA car. you can change the timing for higher octane fuel, but theres only so far you can get before it being unsafe. youll grab a couple HP of course, but nothing worth $500 on an NA car at least. Sure 335i's and GTI's gain really good results with tunes, because they are turboed. But if C43NC thinks it made a difference, thats all that matters its his car his money, he likes it there you go. A dyno sheet would be the best though

Well said, hence why I would only buy during a sale, and why I'd get a reflash if I get a 5.4l to bump the numbers even more.

You can see dyno sheets and whatnot for all the other cars Eurocharged has tuned. Why the hell would it be any different? And yes the car is remarkably different, if you don't want to believe it, that's cool. All I know is anyone who has ridden in my car pre/post tune sees the difference. Oh and by the way, one of my good friends owns a dyno shop and I'll be paying him a visit soon.

If you ever want to meet up and go side by side with a stock 43, let me know and I'll get the video camera out.

[Pagz]

You can see dyno sheets and whatnot for all the other cars Eurocharged has tuned. Why the hell would it be any different? And yes the car is remarkably different, if you don't want to believe it, that's cool. All I know is anyone who has ridden in my car pre/post tune sees the difference. Oh and by the way, one of my good friends owns a dyno shop and I'll be paying him a visit soon.

I believe you entirely, we are all just interested in how much of a difference there is.
Euro charged lists a tune for the 209 CLK55, the gains are 15hp and 22lb-ft. at a guess I would assume the 43's are a bit less?.
http://www.eurocharged.com/products/...oftware-detail
It would be interesting to see where these gains are throughout the rpm range,can anyone see a dyno graph on it?(the page is not displaying properly for me)
Do they specify you run higher octane fuel after the tune? if so which grade?.

Edit: didn't see the specs for the 43 there, which they claim as 23hp and 24lb-ft.

Geez im tired and need to go to bed ,work days are long atm.

[C43inNC]

Gentlemen, I present to you exhibit A of my proof. Stock C43 0-60 is 5.8ish. Crappy launch, second try, I managed a 5.4 with no other mods but my Eurocharged Tune. Enjoy!

[zmatt]

Damn, .4 seconds off? That's pretty impressive.

[uusukaa]

You can see dyno sheets and whatnot for all the other cars Eurocharged has tuned. Why the hell would it be any different? And yes the car is remarkably different, if you don't want to believe it, that's cool. All I know is anyone who has ridden in my car pre/post tune sees the difference. Oh and by the way, one of my good friends owns a dyno shop and I'll be paying him a visit soon.

Any dynos to date?

[Sulaco]

All this talk of performance and pulls, and now videos makes me want to post a new thread where people post their w202 speedo as they do a launch.

Here's mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff0b8exjHaY

First pull, as you can see, couldn't get traction so I let out. 2nd pull starts at around :29 and according to YouTube annotations, it's 5.64--but I don't know how accurate that can be. I really wish there were a more accurate, reliable way to measure these things without a drag strip.

New thread incoming!

I hadn't paid attention to this thread in a while but noticed something peculiar being mentioned: how does a tuning company advertise gains from an ECU tune if they performed no tests to verify or back up their claims?

[anf6789]

im sure eurocharged used the dyno to develop the tune...