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    C43/CLK55 Conversion

    I've been eyeing up this project for years now hoping a damaged rhd one would turn up locally but no luck ,UK is usually rusty,to many miles and to far to ship, Finally one(actually two at once with A-pillar damage and similar millage) turned up across the ditch in Melbourne Australia,I had to get one of them...but which one to get?.

    Of the two Australian registered MY2000's available one was 05/00(MY2000 code 800) and the other 09/00(which is actually a code 801(2001)),I didnt realize this at the time, but looking at the EPC and WIS wiring diagrams the CLK55 changed from ME2.0 to ME2.8 at 06/00 along with wiring changes to the CAN and various other modules. With VERY limited info on the condition of the two I made a call to pick the one with a dusty engine bay(possibly from a dry less rusty location), Green coolant instead of pink(possibly newer MB,or approved stuff) and the one with lower km's, which just so happened to be the 05/00, which on the surface looks to be a more suitable donor than ME2.8 as all C43 including tiptronic are ME2.0.


    Onto the good stuff...

    By the time everyone clips the ticket it really does cost arms and legs to import but still much cheaper than a non damage one locally.
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    A quick check with SDS reveals regular service history through Mercedes, all modules without fault except sunroof hall sensors. Once we installed a working battery and fresh gas the engine runs smoother than my current 4.3
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    Extremely happy there is next to no rust anywhere. +1 Aussi weather/desert.
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    Last edited by Pagz; 12-25-2013 at 12:42 AM.
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Clk55 17" Lite weight spare wheel fits over the stoptech brakes and is 5kg lighter than the C43 mono spare... win.
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    The 208 or 210 cluster does not fit the 202 perfectly, even though the front-on cut out is the same, the housing are suited specifically to the surrounding dash shape. A quick fix for this is to take a 202 housing and marry it to the gauge part of the 210/208 cluster which is near identical to the 202,the trick is to make a jig to hold it and use a cut off wheel/mill for best control. finish off with super matte chalkboard paint and epoxy to mate it all up...Boom!
    The only give away is the lack of clock buttons on the right, I hope to make some tidy blank-off's for these.
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    Last edited by Pagz; 12-25-2013 at 12:40 AM.
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    The complete strip down with intent to use the 5.4, 722.636 trans, 4 finger prop shaft, larger 2.82 diff,axels and outer flanges, TCM,ECM,ESP,EIS etc plus some wiring(Trans/EGS loom is same part number as tip C43),spot welded trans tunnel add on(for tip shifter),boot cutout for larger 220 diff case like on C55 202.

    There are a raft of other parts that are common to the C43 tip and ones that may or may not be but have 202 part numbers like the radiator with internal trans cooler(not sure if I will use this yet due problems with later variants of these), cable ducting and insulation around the tiptronic tunnel is same,the suspension is all C43 except the rear springs,I didn't realize the sway bars are "Eibach" and AMG branded. Major changes in the CLK55 compared to C43 are things like interior lighting modules and steering wheel functions. looking through the wiring I don't think these should be too much of a problem but there will plenty of challenges ahead.
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    Last edited by Pagz; 12-25-2013 at 12:39 AM.
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Trans tunnel looks to be the same as non tip 202/208,I have cut out the spot welded part that holds the tip shifter, you can see from under this part is just like the the cutout for the larger diff fitted to the standard 202 boot floor used in 208 55/202 55.
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    Rear subframe(208 part #), I'm yet to know if this will bolt directly into the C43 as the part is specific to the 208 55 only however earlier 208's use the 202 frame so first assumptions point towards a fitment, I was hoping not to have to unbolt all of the suspension and diff however the lower ball joint boots have split and like every mercedes in creation the diff leaks from the rear cover so will sort these issues prior to install.
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    Last edited by Pagz; 12-25-2013 at 12:49 AM.
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    You should have got the 5.4L W211 komp for parts instead, and gutted it of its electronics instead. The amount of
    Labor to swap ETC, ME from a 208, I don't know what on earth you would gain!
    white 97' C230 (sold)
    white 94' C280 (sold)
    white 98' C43 (sold)
    Tektite 03' E55 (sold)
    Black 86' Porsche 951 (sold)
    Black 98' C43 (sold)
    Emerald Black 97' C36 (current)
    Black 04' E55 (wife's current)

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    Also from those pix, it looks like the harmonic balancer campaign hasn't been completed. The large Allen bolt
    Was replaced with a 27mm along with a new harmonic Balancer.
    white 97' C230 (sold)
    white 94' C280 (sold)
    white 98' C43 (sold)
    Tektite 03' E55 (sold)
    Black 86' Porsche 951 (sold)
    Black 98' C43 (sold)
    Emerald Black 97' C36 (current)
    Black 04' E55 (wife's current)

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    Hey Remo,

    The HB actually looks really good and runs true for 14 years!, will use the C43's new idle and tenionser pullies and get a new HB. Everything on the engine looks original except the cam cover gaskets!.

    Does the CAN system on a 211 work with early 210/208/202 body modules? pretty sure it doesnt.
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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Pagz, You're one crazy ....man! Hats off!!!




    EDIT:
    I'm waiting for you to charge it. :P
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    Hobbies can get away on you sometimes =)

    You'll be waiting some time for the charger haha=P , I think na 5.4 with 711.670 trans will come first!
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Pagz you're one krazy kiwi, daem, I bet it cost you a lot to import the clk to kiwiland from down under?
    you now have lots of therapy work getting it all working correct on your c43.

    the clk55 looks to be in great condition, what are you doing to the gutted clk-body when you're done with the c43?

    that 300 cluster does it work with the electronics in your c43?
    can you take a few snapshots of the display and cluster, i wanna see how it sits after you put it on.

    is it better to source an engine from a 2001-2002 car with ME2.8 electronics than a 2000 car using ME2.0?
    in my country there are only high mileage cars from 1998 -1999 at the junkyards, I don't want to buy an engine from early years.

    I wish you best of luck with your project.
    if you don't want the 55 engine I'll take it from you for free
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    No the 202 modules I'm assuming won't communicate with 211 modules, It would be mind blowing to swap all chassis harness along with modules, cluster, shifter module assembly, and so on.
    white 97' C230 (sold)
    white 94' C280 (sold)
    white 98' C43 (sold)
    Tektite 03' E55 (sold)
    Black 86' Porsche 951 (sold)
    Black 98' C43 (sold)
    Emerald Black 97' C36 (current)
    Black 04' E55 (wife's current)

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    Hi Dennis,
    Yes sure it cost as much to import it as it did to purchase it!,I had grown tired of waiting for one to turn up locally, It has been nearly 3 years since I begun looking.

    Because It was purchased sight unseen I was a bit surprised,apart from the a-piller damage It was in better condition than the C43 in nearly every aspect!, The chassis will be sent to a scrap dealer in the next few weeks.

    The 208/210 cluster is functional in the 202 and displays temp,clock,distance,odo,warnings like "lights on" when you forget to turn them off and also system faults when they happen ,however you cannot use the majority of LCD functions/settings unless you run the steering wheel,steering angle sensor with extra wires and any other parts needed, I intend to run the 208 controls/airbag wheel however I would like the to get the steering wheel SlammedC has in black leather and paint the airbag to suit. 208 colours are not very suited to the 202.
    I will take a few more shots for you, the only give away they are joined together is a fine line around the gauges, which you cant see unless up really close.
    Also nearly all outer lcd on 208/210 cluster suffer from ribbon failure as they are glued to the cct board, mine had been repaired by using spacers to apply more pressure to the ribbon and was working 100% until I pulled it apart alot now I need to clean the ribbons and reattach them.

    I know for sure that the euro CLK55 started life as ME2.0 in 99 and from 06/00 was ME2.8,I have not researched these dates on the 210. however If your donor 208/210 has ME2.0 then I'm confident you will have the same engine harness plugs as your C43, I believe ME2.8 uses various different parts like the throttle body etc which means more parts from your C43 would need swapping over like engine harness and any other sensors/actuators specific to ME2.8.

    I feel millage plays a minor part in the M113 condition, its whether or not they have been run on synthetics or lessor grade oils for extended periods. My C43 has only done 94000km's but I have an engine ticking noise that does not sound like lifters and gets louder with RPM, the service history shows the oil was not changed between 30,000 and 60000 and then topped up with 3.5L, the oil cooler has also been replaced or seals replaced, ...Very suspect indeed - this is one of the drivers to replace it with the 5.4, I cant wait to get it out and check the 4.3 internally.

    Thanks Dennis, It should keep me entertained for some time

    EDIT: clk55 ME2.0 ECU is upto ident F136789 except code 801 and from ident F136790 with code 800.(but wiring diagram detail shows ME2.8 happened around 06/00 ) the clk55 I have is code 800 F158434
    210 E55 with ME2.0 was for upto 30/6/00, after that is ME2.8, ECM's starting with A026/029 were ME2.0, A031/A113 are ME2.8 as far as i can extract from EPC.



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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Remo,
    There was a damaged e55k for sale here recently,ironically it went for around what I payed for the clk55, I didnt buy it as I thought trying to mechanically retrofit all the modules and extra engine parts plus wiring would be hard work, I'm glad you confirm it!
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    I've had a w203 C55 / 55k swap lurking in the back of my head!

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    That sounds much more doable!!
    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
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    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Dennis,
    Heres a shot of where the housings meet, When cutting the housing I lost around 1mm of hieght due to finishing and blade movemnt etc, the cone shape angles mean the more you loose in height the more you expose when finished. slow and steady is key.

    Its not perfect but close enough vs effort....

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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagz View Post
    Dennis,
    Heres a shot of where the housings meet, When cutting the housing I lost around 1mm of hieght due to finishing and blade movemnt etc, the cone shape angles mean the more you loose in height the more you expose when finished. slow and steady is key.

    Its not perfect but close enough vs effort....

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    thanks for sharing.
    gives your car a different looks with the fejslift speedo

    the newer facelift clusters for clk and w210 AMG cars seems to be inferior in build quality compared to our c43 clusters?
    i've never seen a c43 cluster with faded lcd, i've seen many fokked up lcd displays on the other cars.

    if you had bought my prefacelift w210 AMG cluster and swapped some of the parts between clusters you still would have had the original looks but with a 300 scale instead of the 280.

    while you're working on your project don't forget to take important snapshots and share them with us!
    good luck and god speed.

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    Paul so your trying to swap many of the critical module off the 208 into the 202?

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    Dennis,
    Not a problem!

    Yes sure it looks more updated,this is one reason to go with the newer cluster and also has tiptronic display, I prefer it over the white it matches well with sports interior!. VDO make clusters for many manufactures, even the bmw boys get faulty lcd's from similar failures,apart from cost I dont understand why VDO glue the ribbon rather than using proper connectors, it is the only part that fails luckily it can be repaired.

    Thanks ...I will keep my point and shoot camera on me as much as possible!

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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    Remo,
    As you know I've sort of gone out on a really big limb here by making assumptions from the EPC/WIS and what is currently installed in the ME2.0 CLK55 and code 809 C43,so until it actually happens I can only make these sort of assumptions/unknowns:


    1. When ME2.8 comes in around 06/00 ESP,TCM,DCM's and SAM(plus other sensors etc) also update, I assume this is due to CAN system/data changes so not ideal for 202 ME2.0 moduels.

    2. ME2.0 CLK55 has SAM specific to 208 55 only, I assume due to added features like command ,lighting etc that 202 did not have, normal 208 uses 202 SAM. may need to use this not sure yet.

    3. My 809 C43 ESP module is A 025 545 61 32 , the clk55 module I have is A029 545 70 32,This number does not show up in my 2012 EPC when searching with clk55 VIN, however when you search on the part number it comes back as used in tiptronic 202's/C43 and the Clk320/430. so they are same module.

    4. ME2.0 CLK55 ESP sensors are same on C43 with esp.

    5. 208 Interior control modules OCP ,LCP, TAC/AAC are major differences in individual construction but tie into other systems in a similar/same way. hopefully no issues there.

    6.TCM in Tiptronic C43 vs ME2.0 CLk55 is A021 545 88 32 vs A021 545 89 32.. both egs51.

    7. Multifunction steering wheel needs updated 5 wire angle sensor and wiring to cluster so that horn and fucntions go via cluster(also horn needs one wire to EIS)*EDIT - and also updated CLK55 indicator arm to hold 5 wire plug.

    8. Stoplamp switch update with correct plugs.

    9. ME2.0 CLK55 TCM harness is same as tiptronic C43,drops in along with stoplamp plug pin.

    10. CAN from cluster to Radio to utilise multifunction steering wheel to radio commands

    Without a doubt the best swap for the ME2.0 CLK55 is to an original Tiptronic C43, the ME2.0 CLK55 is basically a two door tiptronic 202 C55. So swapping is of course harder into code 808/809 C43 but at least i have fully working CLK55 to use parts from.

    Plenty of hurdles to come I'm sure!

    Regards,

    Edit - will make the parts list into a more formal list shortly,currently on holiday and my vb disconnects my wifi when I run EPC =)
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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
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    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    But what will you gain swapping all of those modules? The type 6 tip tronic really wasn't much more craze over vs. typ6 gate

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    Totally agree dude..Tiptronic is not necessary at all, Only swapping what is necessary to run the clk55's TCM,ECM,ICM,steering wheel,Drivetrain and engine,only reason I want the tip is to complete the system over the CAN so the ICM and TCM are happy and also to match the updated park/EIS locking wire.

    As much as everyone says C43 ECM is fine I prefer to do it right and run the clk55 maps with the 5.4 rather than C43 ECU(In my mind anyway), I don't want to go through flashing or tuning modules.

    In the beginning to keep it simple I was intending to try use just the CLK55 ECM,TCM EIS with the gate shifter ,however looking into it there are to many unhappy campers, it's very unlikely the clk55 TCM anolog input terminals designated as not used for the gate shifter would work if I wired the gate to it.

    I mention swapping the ESP module because I think it is likely related to the 2.82 Diff ratio or the tiptronic system... your view?

    Cheers,
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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
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    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    pagzie are u fitting the complete clk55 rear axle/diff on your c43?
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    Hey Dennis,

    Yes plan is to run the clk55's A220 2.82 diff with matching axles,outer drive flanges and 4 finger prop shaft ..AFAIK same as the C55 has.

    Zayed suggested keeping the C43 drive system,I think this is fine if you swap the engine only, however if I run the CLK55 ECM I dont think I can run the C43 TCM with tiptronic so need the CLK55 TCM which is set to 2.82 diff.

    Another option he mentioned might work was to run the 808/809 E55 TCU with C43 ECM to get 2.82 ratio, however I think that would only be suitable for the C43 ECM.

    Regards,
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    >>00 C43 Black w/birch Black. Immaculate
    >>99 C43 Silver w/CLK55 package
    >>99 S202 RED 250TD Daily.
    >>89 2.6 RED w/16vkit. POS
    >>Old Turbo 2.3 History >>Old Turbo 2.3 Video

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    hey bud

    this will be an trial n error modification.
    you'll be the first to do this.
    i hope everything works out and only will be bolt on for you without headache.

    good luck and keep us updated with text and pictures.

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