UPDATED: 02.21.06 Replica Brabus Front

[714guy]

UPDATED: 02.21.06

Pictures on my cousin's car

Front
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Pauls_1.JPG

Passenger side
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Pauls_2.JPG

3/4 angle view
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Pauls_3.JPG

Driver Side
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Pauls_4.JPG


STATUS: Ready. Cost : $300 for the next 5. $325 there after.

To ensure proper fitment and easy install I will install each one on to my spare bumper before they are shipped/picked up by you.

These will NOT fit Updated Bumpers. Sorry to those i already sold to with Updated bumpers.

Email me: 714guy @ Sbcglobal.net
for additonal info and deposit


Alright Guys after a year of talk, the mold and bumpers are finally made.

FULL VIEW
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Full2.JPG

LEFT SIDE
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Left_side.JPG

MIDDLE
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Middle.JPG

RIGHT SIDE
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/Right_side.JPG

Here is the GTO Bumper for the Millens
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/GTO_bumper.JPG

Same one on Rod Millen's Website (http://www.rodmillenstore.com/prodinfo.aspx?partID=RMRGTO051) except for the CF inlay part

Trimmed and fitted on pre-updated bumper

Full view
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/trimmed1.jpg

Left side where Frabus meets bumper
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/left1.JPG

Right view of above
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/right1.JPG

Left side close up
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/left2.JPG

Right side close up
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/right2.JPG

Left wheel arch
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/left3.JPG

Right wheel arch
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/right3.JPG

Center w/out grill for mesh
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/mesh.JPG

And lastly with the Mysterious Center grill
http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/bumper/grill.JPG

[MrSpace]

I don't get it,. what is the difference between yours and the other replica?

Etienne

[714guy]

Originally posted by MrSpace
I don't get it,. what is the difference between yours and the other replica?

Etienne

Well all of the replicas that i've bought or seen are a mold of the entire bumper, and it would either require alot of cutting and fixing to fit it right or you'd have to put on the mounting brakets from your OE bumper on to the replica. If i replicate my Brabus, you'll only have to remove the factory bumper cover and put on the fake Brabus cover and you'll be done, just how it should be.

I just finished working on my cosuin replica AMG and i had alot of cutting and fitting to get it right since it was a mold of the entire bumper. I am sure others on the board that have bought the Replica AMG kit know what i am talking about.

I've seen the work that my friend's place does and it's flawless. If i get enough interest, i'd first have to sand and block my Brabus bumper and seal it with primer so that it will be perfect. Then i get a mold made of the bumper which is a pretty penny. After the mold is done, i'll start pumping out copies of the front end. Then all you'd need to do is prime and paint. I will make sure they all fit before sending them out.

[nokia8860]

My replica amg bumper was only the lower 3/4 half. Guess mines was more of a replica replica than yours :p

[KenzBenz]

i might be interested =) also how much would those foglights cost?

[Kswiss]

how is quality?

[714guy]

Originally posted by KenzBenz
i might be interested =) also how much would those foglights cost?

I have fogligths that fit the bumper, i got them from pepboys and there mad by hella. they were 60 bucks

[714guy]

Originally posted by Kswiss
how is quality?

It will be fiberglass and the same thickness of the Brabus, and it will be gelcoated. The only downfall it might crack you get into a fender bender. My friend ensured me that it will be an EXACT copy of the Original one. I haven't made them yet and wont until i get enough people who are confirmed b/c the mold is so much money.

[714guy]

Originally posted by nokia8860
My replica amg bumper was only the lower 3/4 half. Guess mines was more of a replica replica than yours :p

yeh i guess, you were lucky then.

[ryhi]

ill be interested if the rieger bg doesnt pull through

[KenzBenz]

can u explain what exactly is a fender bender?

[Denlasoul]

Originally posted by KenzBenz
can u explain what exactly is a fender bender?

fender bender refers to an accident.

[Kswiss]

a fender bender is a small accident when you either run into someone from the back or someone runs into you in the back.....i've had a couple fender benders on the freeway, but my bumper only has small scratches.....i think with fiber glass, the kit will just break and will have to be repaired since the fiber glass will be showing...

[1SIKBNZ]

well if the quality and fit (on a 99 c280) is there, id be interested...

[714guy]

Originally posted by 1SIKBNZ
well if the quality and fit (on a 99 c280) is there, id be interested...

The Brabus Front wasn't made to fit on the Updated Body style, so you'd have to un upgrade and get an older bumper.

[ryhi]

its not a full bumper? why is the de-update req.?

[714guy]

Originally posted by ryhi
its not a full bumper? why is the de-update req.?

Nope. none of the W202 body kits are full bumpers, unless you get the replicas like i did. You have to remove the bumper cover and replace it with the Brabus one and since the updated bodystyle bumpers are different they wont fit. Hence the UN updating the bumpers.

[FreeStyler]

I'm kinda interested.:Ponder:

[714guy]

When i get 10 confirmed buyer that deposit $100, i will start on it. The reason i am requiring a deposit, the Mold is really expensize and i dont want confirmed buyers to back out and get stuck with the bill. So Hopefully there is enough SERIOUS buyers before i install it on my car, and the idea will be scraped.

[Simon Lin]

Originally posted by 714guy
When i get 10 confirmed buyer that deposit $100, i will start on it. The reason i am requiring a deposit, the Mold is really expensize and i dont want confirmed buyers to back out and get stuck with the bill. So Hopefully there is enough SERIOUS buyers before i install it on my car, and the idea will be scraped. 714guy.You're the best!So it will fit C280 V6 right?But can you get the full Brabus body kits,not just front bumper?Floglights included.It's a little queer just install the bumper only.
What's the cost?

[714guy]

Originally posted by Simon Lin
714guy.You're the best!So it will fit C280 V6 right?But can you get the full Brabus body kits,not just front bumper?Floglights included.It's a little queer just install the bumper only.
What's the cost?

Unfortunately, i only have the BRABUS front, I dont know if you've seen the rest of the kit, it Looks like stock. The only other thing that I would recommend is the C36 amg sides, and rear. Thats what I am goin to do. I can get you the Fogs, they are $60. The bumper is $250.

But there seems to be a problem, if you have the V6 C280, then that would be the updated model, in which the Brabus front wont fit unless you get an older bumper (<97') and put it on. The only kit that will fit the updated model is the C43 and the lorinser.

[Superpnoy]

i might be down for this also if the rieger group buy im doing doesnt pull through...

[ryhi]

Originally posted by 714guy
Nope. none of the W202 body kits are full bumpers, unless you get the replicas like i did. You have to remove the bumper cover and replace it with the Brabus one and since the updated bodystyle bumpers are different they wont fit. Hence the UN updating the bumpers.

i still dont quite understand...can u explain more?

[714guy]

Originally posted by ryhi
i still dont quite understand...can u explain more?

check out your bumper everything below the gray molding part is the bumper cover. That piece can be removed and replaced with a the AMG, BRABUS, etc.

[JDoggery]

I'd be down, but my concern again is fitment. Since I have a 99, I would need to get an older bumper? Can you explain more about this? Also, if you posted pictures of the bumper and where it would attach, and also what piece would have to be changed to fit a 99 I think it would help move some people along.

[714guy]

Originally posted by JDoggery
I'd be down, but my concern again is fitment. Since I have a 99, I would need to get an older bumper? Can you explain more about this? Also, if you posted pictures of the bumper and where it would attach, and also what piece would have to be changed to fit a 99 I think it would help move some people along.

I am not too sure of how to install the older Style bumper on to the Model updated body. I just know that they are different and it will need to be addressed. I've explained it to the MAX, I suggest going out and looking at your bumper, as i think i did a pretty good job explaining it. I would post up pictures but i dont have my server anymore.

heres what i mean by bumper cover( pic from some post on here)
http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/82/2d/2b_1.JPG

Well the BRABUS is like this and will install the same way this one does. This a stock Euro cover. Only Difference is the styling.

[nokia8860]

Ima post my bumper for 714guys cuz he is nice enough to try to help ppl out.

http://www.joeyandmona.com/albums/album20/MVC_451F.sized.jpg

This is the brabus bumper. Now look at your bumper (i wont address sport bumpers here. we're talking elegance) Notice that most of your bumper is body colour and the top portion is gray (or some other colour and it has chrom trim on it as well. Well that different colour and chrome trim comes off. And you put this part along with the assorted bumper guides onto the brabus bumper and there ya have it.

Now for the model updated ppl.

Your bumpers are ugly (yes they are get over it) and they are also bigger. The brabus bumper was designed for the cooler and tighter fitting pre updated bumper. You can fit your top portion to the brabus bumper but be forewarned... it will stick out more and have some overhangs on some parts simply because the model updated bumper is bigger.

Here is a model updated 202 with brabus bumper.

https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s73919382.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn153e2581bba4521/bs_shopdata/img/W202.jpg

Now here is my pre updated car with preupdated top portion with brabus bumper.

http://www.club202.com/nokia8860/fisheye.jpg

Tighter to the body and better looking.

So it will work regardless of what bumper you have. If you bring it to a body shop they can figure out how to mount it. If you do it yourself it would help that you have a better than surface understanding of bodywork to help you put it on your car.

Either way we should give props to 714 for doing this now its up to you guys to put your money where your interconnection meets the road.

Now 714 I better get a free copy :p

[w202mod]

OK....

I have updated w202...

I think BRABUS bumper looks nicer on pre 98 models...but at the

same time....it doesn't look that bad on updated models.....

714guy...

I am in....

also I would like the fog light also....


So let me know...

[KenzBenz]

will it fit on my front? if yes then im down for it

[nokia8860]

Originally posted by KenzBenz
will it fit on my front? if yes then im down for it


Then you are down. :)

[714guy]

Thanks Nokia for the Explaination, works so much better with pictures.

2 down and 8 to go. This weekend i will tinker with the bumper an fit it on my preupdated bumper. I'll take pictures and post it up to clear things up, and how they fit.

Also if anybody in the Socal Area with an Updated w202 that will let me fit the BRABUS bumper on to there car, so i can see how it will fit. Email me 714guy@sbcglobal.net. I will take pictures and let everybody else see how it works.

Regarding the Foglights, before i actually do the Mold, I will make sure these Hella fog lights i have fit perfectly, they fit right now but i have to do a little trimming so that it fits perfectly. the foglights i got at pepboys, they were $60, instead of the Hella ones that Brabus sales for $190. They look identical, just the mounting is different.

So hopefully you guys can help me start the ball rolling so i can start.

[714guy]

http://www.joeyandmona.com/albums/album20/MVC_451F.sized.jpg

NOTE: there should be grill that goes in that big gap between the Foglights, but seems as they are always lost or impossible to get. So what would suggest doing is putting mesh right there. I could find some cool mesh for you guys an pre make them, if ya want but we'll discuss details of that later.


https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s73919382.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn153e2581bba4521/bs_shopdata/img/W202.jpg


http://www.club202.com/nokia8860/fisheye.jpg

Its looks to me that the White car doesn't have the niche for the EURO plate. If that's right, ya dont have to worry mine does and looks identical to Nokia's but painted Blue right now.

So for those of you who wanted to the EURO bumper swap like i have. hahaha!! You can kill two birds with one stone.

Jason

[714guy]

N/M

[ryhi]

so the kit WILL fit my car, just that the top part will stick out a lil and be a lil bulkier? if thats it...then i think thats fine.. also, would it look weird without the middle grille if i have a functional intercooler (i have kompressor)?? 714guy IM me, ill be willing to let u to fit it on my car :)
give me an IM : izytron

[KenzBenz]

Originally posted by nokia8860
Then you are down. :)
coool, hurry up ppl so we can get this started :D

[w202mod]

is gonna be awsome!!!!

[714guy]

Originally posted by ryhi
would it look weird without the middle grille if i have a functional intercooler (i have kompressor)??
give me an IM : izytron

nope, thats what i want to do, but nee soem $$$$ for a turbo setup

[htfan1]

Sounds like I won't have any trouble fitting this on a 1995 C220.

I may want to get in on this buy also. (Not sure yet.)

I was considering a Lorinser kit, but not having much luck there. What's the best way to get a good deal on the other pieces (sides and rear)?

BTW, I'm also in the So Cal Area.

[w202mod]

why don't we go for the whole brabus kit!!

is this doable???

[nokia8860]

Here is a good read for those of you interested in what 714guy will have to do inorder to provide these copied bumpers for you. (found the link from another site)

The text is in yellow and makes it hard to read but its worth it (http://www.markscustomkits.com/Fabrication.html)

Its a lot of work.... really alot of work and I give you props for going for it. :bandit:

[714guy]

Originally posted by nokia8860
Here is a good read for those of you interested in what 714guy will have to do inorder to provide these copied bumpers for you. (found the link from another site)

The text is in yellow and makes it hard to read but its worth it (http://www.markscustomkits.com/Fabrication.html)

Its a lot of work.... really alot of work and I give you props for going for it. :bandit:

I am not goin to personally being doin it but yeah those are the steps there goin to have to go thru. The only part i will be doing to making the bumper perfect before molding.

[htfan1]

What other sides and rear would be a good match for the Brabus front bumper? (AMG, Reiger, etc.)

There are probably pictures posted somewhere so we can compare.

[JDoggery]

whats the status on this? have you fitted it on ryhi's car?

[714guy]

not yet, i ve been really busy

[714guy]

Alrighty i just put on the BRABUS bumper and it looks fantastic, i'll get pictures up when i find my camera. I thought you didn't have to cut the bumper but you do. So I won't be able to test fit it one an Updated model without some cutting. If you have the older style bumper then it looks DOPE.

Come on People if you dont act faster than me then your wont be able to get a Brabus front.
;)

[JDoggery]

pics... can't wait to see

[c_lee]

Originally posted by JDoggery
pics... can't wait to see

I spoke with a friend of mine who is a authorized distributor for brabus. I asked him to speak to brabus about odering these kits again.

He spoke with brabus and told me that, brabus would be willing to reproduce the kits for the w202 but only if there are a minimum of 10 guaranteed buyers...

just wanted to let you guys know -> another chance to purchase the real deal.

He's calculating the prices right now. Once I get the pricing i'll let you guys know if you guys are interested.

[jnolte]

Originally posted by c_lee
I spoke with a friend of mine who is a authorized distributor for brabus. I asked him to speak to brabus about odering these kits again.

He spoke with brabus and told me that, brabus would be willing to reproduce the kits for the w202 but only if there are a minimum of 10 guaranteed buyers...

just wanted to let you guys know -> another chance to purchase the real deal.

He's calculating the prices right now. Once I get the pricing i'll let you guys know if you guys are interested.

this is old news

One of the Mods was trying to put a GB just like this together b4, it fell apart.

Im sure you could find the info again if you search.

[Denlasoul]

I dont think it is too difficult to get Brabus to remake the kit, the hard part is finding 10 confirmed buyers with $$.

Several people interested, but only a few got the $$ waiting. :(

[hvmercy]

I came across this in MBWorld. Not sure if it's for a w202. It only
say that it's for a c-class.

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=86659

[tpliquid]

if brabus only made rear addon i would buy it

[c_lee]

HERE IS THE PRICE FOR THE AUTHENTIC BRABUS -- NEED 10 ORDERS FOR BRABUS TO MAKE THIS KIT AGAIN. I AM LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR NOT IF PEOPLE CAN JUST ORDER THE FRONT OR BACK ONLY. DON'T KNOW YET.... BUT THE PRICE IS BETTER THAN THE OLDER DEAL THAT WAS POSTED!

MONEY NEEDED UP FRONT - IF YOU INTERESTED, EMAIL ME FOR MORE INFO. THIS DEAL IS BEING HANDLED BY A BRABUS WHOLESALER

FRONT - $520

REAR - $520

MUFFLER - $600 (OPTIONAL)

email @ chris24@gmail.com

[c_lee]

K I JUST FOUND OUT YOU CAN ORDER PARTIAL KIT

THIS MEANS YOU CAN JUST BUY FRONT OR BACK - THE PRICE IS THE SAME! I STILL NEED 10 BUYERS THOUGH!!!!

PLEASE LETS GET IT!



Originally posted by c_lee
HERE IS THE PRICE FOR THE AUTHENTIC BRABUS -- NEED 10 ORDERS FOR BRABUS TO MAKE THIS KIT AGAIN. I AM LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR NOT IF PEOPLE CAN JUST ORDER THE FRONT OR BACK ONLY. DON'T KNOW YET.... BUT THE PRICE IS BETTER THAN THE OLDER DEAL THAT WAS POSTED!

MONEY NEEDED UP FRONT - IF YOU INTERESTED, EMAIL ME FOR MORE INFO. THIS DEAL IS BEING HANDLED BY A BRABUS WHOLESALER

FRONT - $520

REAR - $520

MUFFLER - $600 (OPTIONAL)

email @ chris24@gmail.com

[JDoggery]

ok, i think we have gotten a little side tracked here with info about authentic brabus kits. i think that a replica front is something that is more feasable because of cost. from talking to a few people it seems like many are interested. lets start a list of interested people here and see if we can make this happen.

1. JDoggery
2.
3.
4.
5.

[KenzBenz]

1. JDoggery
2. Kenzbenz
3.
4.
5.

[w202mod]

1. JDoggery
2. Kenzbenz
3. w202mod
4.
5.

[c_lee]

Okay so this list is for a replica kit? From where? how much?

1. JDoggery
2. Kenzbenz
3. w202mod
4. c_lee
5.

[c_lee]

You kind of disappeared after the first array of posts....what ever happened?? Are you still selling this replica kits!!!????



Originally posted by 714guy
I just talked to my friend about making gellcoated Fiber glass replicas of my Brabus front. If i can get 10 people who are interested in it, it will come to about $ 250 a piece. It will be an exact copy of the front unlike other replica kits that are a mold of the entire bumper, this is just the Brabus cover.

Please post if your interested. Thanks

[KenzBenz]

he will...but there aren't enough people. i dont know why people arent responding to this....it's quite an opportunity to get a brabus front for such a good price.

[714guy]

Originally posted by c_lee
You kind of disappeared after the first array of posts....what ever happened?? Are you still selling this replica kits!!!????

I am still here, just been busy, i check everyday, but i need at least 10 people, unless i do well in Sin City this weekend and i can afford to do al by my self.

[JDoggery]

lets go people. everyone seems to talk about wanting this part and they can't find it or it is too expensive. well, here is the opporunity. only a few more people. i am actually suprised we don't have 20 people by now...

[c_lee]

sigh...same deal as the real brabus huh. 10 peeps.

well, lemme know when you get 10 - don't forget!

payce



Originally posted by 714guy
I am still here, just been busy, i check everyday, but i need at least 10 people, unless i do well in Sin City this weekend and i can afford to do al by my self.

[e-low]

I would be down, but id still have to find side skirts and a rear cuz IMO it would look whack with just the barbus front bumper and nothing else.

[JDoggery]

Originally posted by c_lee
Okay so this list is for a replica kit? From where? how much?

1. JDoggery
2. Kenzbenz
3. w202mod
4. c_lee
5.

only six more, i know u guys want it...

[KenzBenz]

no hope...sigh

[Kswiss]

lets get the real deal!! :laugh:

[c_lee]

Kswiss - Need 8 more people for real deal

Btw, Sorry guys, but gonna take my name off this list. 10 people is going to be a long time coming. I think i'm gonna go for the wald kit.

1. JDoggery
2. Kenzbenz
3. w202mod
4.
5.

[714guy]

alright guys since it seems that we wont get 10 anytime soon, so i did some number crunching and if i can get 5 confirmed orders, the cost per piece would be around $350. So if there is enough interest at that price, i will call up the places and confirm the price for you guys.

I'll have some free time soon so i will be able to work on this project.

[c_lee]

Did you find out if it will fit on a 99 bumper?



Originally posted by 714guy
alright guys since it seems that we wont get 10 anytime soon, so i did some number crunching and if i can get 5 confirmed orders, the cost per piece would be around $350. So if there is enough interest at that price, i will call up the places and confirm the price for you guys.

I'll have some free time soon so i will be able to work on this project.

[w202mod]

around 350 dollars works for me




Originally posted by 714guy
alright guys since it seems that we wont get 10 anytime soon, so i did some number crunching and if i can get 5 confirmed orders, the cost per piece would be around $350. So if there is enough interest at that price, i will call up the places and confirm the price for you guys.

I'll have some free time soon so i will be able to work on this project.

[714guy]

Originally posted by c_lee
Did you find out if it will fit on a 99 bumper?

check out the second page of the thread it will answer your question.

[c_lee]

I know you mentioned there is cutting involved, but can you tell me what type of cutting?

Based on your opinon (since you have the original) How much work do you think will be needed to get it to fit a 99 bumper.

I just need to know the amount of work its gonna take to get the replica to fit on a updated bumper. Once i get an answer on that i can either commit or not.

Thanx


Originally posted by 714guy
check out the second page of the thread it will answer your question.

[714guy]

Originally posted by c_lee
I know you mentioned there is cutting involved, but can you tell me what type of cutting?

Based on your opinon (since you have the original) How much work do you think will be needed to get it to fit a 99 bumper.

I just need to know the amount of work its gonna take to get the replica to fit on a updated bumper. Once i get an answer on that i can either commit or not.

Thanx

if you want to donate an updated bumper to me then i can tell how much work it will need to fit, otherwise i am not goin to a buy one just to fit for you. If you read what Nokia said, the only difference would be the amount the bumper sticks out, the fit should be about the same.

;)

[KenzBenz]

350 shipped? if not how much will shipping be?

[JDoggery]

where do you guys plan to get them painted/ installed? what about the lower mesh/ fogs?

any idea of what the total cost would be? (ship, paint, install, etc.)i think that this would help people to understand what there overall investment is going to be. maybe this will help to get potential buyers

[714guy]

Originally posted by JDoggery
where do you guys plan to get them painted/ installed? what about the lower mesh/ fogs?

any idea of what the total cost would be? (ship, paint, install, etc.)i think that this would help people to understand what there overall investment is going to be. maybe this will help to get potential buyers

all good questions and should be addressed.

Shipping: will be around 80 - 100, i am guessing b/c thats what i paid for it to be shiped from Virgina to Cali. However i would prefer pick up if possible, especially if you are in Socal or even Norcal.

Install: FREE if you're able to do it. I promise i will have my tutorial up soon on how i installed it on my pre-updated bumper. And for up Updated Cars, I will have a tutorial up too once the bumpers are made and i install it on an Updated bumper.

Paint: This will vary on what shop you take it too. A rough estimate would be around 250 - 300.

yeah it gets expensive, but i was able to do it while working and going to college full time. Its all about small steps and saving. I remember when i first got my replica Brabus, i bought it and let it sit for about 2 months before i saved up enough for install and paint.

[c_lee]

i don't mind being the guinea pig -- but i would like to at least get some what of an estimate for the difficulty involved in installing. Well, how bout that - once you have at least one replica made, i can drop by, since I live in OC, Ca. and we can try to eye ball to see what it would look like?

cool?

o btw -- just to vent - I HATE EVO SPORT AND WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH THEM! THEY TOLD ME THEY HAD A CARLSSON REAR LIP FOR MY CAR AND OFFERED TO SELL IT AT 100 BUCKS. SO I DRIVE DOWN THERE FOR AN HR IN TRAFFIC AND ITS NOT EVEN CARLSSON!! BUNCH JACKA**ES.

any ways. tell me what you think 714guys. But i'd like to get something rolling quick here - i'm getting pretty antsy just waiting.


Originally posted by 714guy
if you want to donate an updated bumper to me then i can tell how much work it will need to fit, otherwise i am not goin to a buy one just to fit for you. If you read what Nokia said, the only difference would be the amount the bumper sticks out, the fit should be about the same.

;)

[KenzBenz]

c_lee what lip did they have then?

[c_lee]

it wasn't a lip! it was a full rear bumper cover. The bumper cover looked identical to that of a post updated rear bumper cover without the flare on the bottom. It had no exhuast opening. it was just a flat rear bumper cover.

http://www.carlsson.de/en/tuning/c-klasse/ws202/aero/02.html

if you look at the link above, notice how their is a rear lip on the back, with the exhast openeing. well, that's what i was expecting to buy and that what the sales guy said it was. Well, my fault, I should have asked for pics before going down there, because that isn't what they had. It also had 2 small cracks on either end of the bumper at the edges.

o well -- back to the drawing board



Originally posted by KenzBenz
c_lee what lip did they have then?

[714guy]

Originally posted by c_lee
i don't mind being the guinea pig -- but i would like to at least get some what of an estimate for the difficulty involved in installing. Well, how bout that - once you have at least one replica made, i can drop by, since I live in OC, Ca. and we can try to eye ball to see what it would look like?

cool?


any ways. tell me what you think 714guys. But i'd like to get something rolling quick here - i'm getting pretty antsy just waiting.

i won't be making any replicas untill i get a fo sho number of buyers. I do have the real one that we can eyeball on your car. I am thinking the install should be similar to the preupdated bumpers, b/c all you really have to cut is the lower center section of the bumper where the grills and vents are. This is so there is room for the fog lights and vents of the brabus bumper.

About the Carlsson bumpers for our 202, its just like brabus, you won't be able to find it new or used unless your lucky.

[c_lee]

714 Guy,

How about this? Would you mind if I came by or we met and kinda eyeballed your real brabus against my stock 99 bumper? Don't worry i'm not some psycho!

If it looks like it can be done, i'm definitely in for sure.

What do you say? I'm sure there are people on this forum who aren't getting in on it, b/c they're not sure it will fit a post updated bumper. If we can get rid of any uncertainties we can get the ball rolling!.

Lemme know what you think and e-mail me directly @ chris24@gmail.com

Thanks!






Originally posted by 714guy
i won't be making any replicas untill i get a fo sho number of buyers. I do have the real one that we can eyeball on your car. I am thinking the install should be similar to the preupdated bumpers, b/c all you really have to cut is the lower center section of the bumper where the grills and vents are. This is so there is room for the fog lights and vents of the brabus bumper.

About the Carlsson bumpers for our 202, its just like brabus, you won't be able to find it new or used unless your lucky.

[nokia8860]

Originally posted by 714guy
About the Carlsson bumpers for our 202, its just like brabus, you won't be able to find it new or used unless your lucky.

i know of one person on this site that has a complete carlsson body kit sitting in his garage. I need to figure out if he will sell it to me.

[714guy]

Originally posted by c_lee
714 Guy,

How about this? Would you mind if I came by or we met and kinda eyeballed your real brabus against my stock 99 bumper? Don't worry i'm not some psycho!

If it looks like it can be done, i'm definitely in for sure.

What do you say? I'm sure there are people on this forum who aren't getting in on it, b/c they're not sure it will fit a post updated bumper. If we can get rid of any uncertainties we can get the ball rolling!.

Lemme know what you think and e-mail me directly @ chris24@gmail.com

Thanks!

sure thing, Let me figure out a good time and i'll let ya know.

[714guy]

Originally posted by nokia8860
i know of one person on this site that has a complete carlsson body kit sitting in his garage. I need to figure out if he will sell it to me.

Look at this guy, Pickin up all the W202 kits, for himself.

[c_lee]

sounds good then. let me know when you get time


Originally posted by 714guy
sure thing, Let me figure out a good time and i'll let ya know.

[eduk_01]

hey, i need a front for my merz. if ur front bumper is nice ill give u what ur askin for it.

[eduk_01]

hey, if u got a nice front bumper, let me know, i need one, and soon.

thanks

[MrSpace]

Originally posted by nokia8860
i know of one person on this site that has a complete carlsson body kit sitting in his garage. I need to figure out if he will sell it to me.

I sooo want a Carlsson kit

I think I'll get a replica if it's possible

Etienne

[714guy]

Originally posted by eduk_01
hey, i need a front for my merz. if ur front bumper is nice ill give u what ur askin for it.

i am goin start on soon once schools out. If you want in I will need 100 deposit, so nobody backs out. The mold is goin to cost $$$$ so i need insurance.

[!!!!!NJ Drive]

Originally posted by 714guy
i am goin start on soon once schools out. If you want in I will need 100 deposit, so nobody backs out. The mold is goin to cost $$$$ so i need insurance. do you know a ballpark figure of how much its going to cost

[714guy]

Originally posted by !!!!!NJ Drive
do you know a ballpark figure of how much its going to cost

about 350 if i get 5 sure people, and 250 if i get 10 sure people.

[w202mod]

Either 350 or 250....

I am in...

So you got two person for sure

[KenzBenz]

anyone else interested??

[714guy]

All we need is 2 more, I will see if my cousin wants one. Only if i had extra cash i'd just do it. I should really take a class in mold making at school so i can do it my self, that'll be so cool.

[KenzBenz]

how much will shipping be ? shipped to norcal?

[KenzBenz]

me and Jdoggery should most likely be in...when are you gonna start on this? this month or in Jan?

[KenzBenz]

if its in Jan, im definitely in and you can put me down for sure. right now i need to buy a xmas present for my gf first

[714guy]

Originally posted by KenzBenz
if its in Jan, im definitely in and you can put me down for sure. right now i need to buy a xmas present for my gf first

mostly in jan, i just found i planning a party for my parent 25th Anniversary party the 2nd. So i'll be plenty busy.

[KenzBenz]

ok jan is good, you can count me in then for sure

[Kermit_D_Frog]

if the price is 250 to 350 then I'm in too. BTW this is for the Brabus replica front right?

Also I have a 98C230 wil I have the same problem as a 99?

[waybomb]

What about fitment on a 97 C280 Sport. I saw mention earlier in the thread speaking about the Sport cover, but I'm not clear if this replica would work on it? I didn't relaize there was a difference between a standard and a Sport cover.
What would it cost to ship to either St Joeph, Mi (49085) or Portland, IN (47371)?
I also haven't seen much of an answer to the question about the mesh filler - where can I obtain that material?

[714guy]

Originally posted by waybomb
What about fitment on a 97 C280 Sport. I saw mention earlier in the thread speaking about the Sport cover, but I'm not clear if this replica would work on it? I didn't relaize there was a difference between a standard and a Sport cover.
What would it cost to ship to either St Joeph, Mi (49085) or Portland, IN (47371)?
I also haven't seen much of an answer to the question about the mesh filler - where can I obtain that material?

I am not quite sure about the sport cover, if i am correct i think the sport package has the molding painted black, otherwise its all the same and will fit fine.

I am guessing the shipping will be between 80 -100. I am not sure, thats just Ballpark.

The Mesh filler you can get from anywhere, but i will try to provide with the kit for an extra few bucks.

Hopefully I've answered your questions. I will start on the project in January. I"ll keep you up to date on everything. So keep checkn back.

[Simon Lin]

Originally posted by 714guy
I have fogligths that fit the bumper, i got them from pepboys and there mad by hella. they were 60 bucks
Hi 714guy,

Are Hella foglights fits the Brabus bumper without any mods?Does it go with lines?Can you help buy one set of Hella foglights?I need one.Thank you very much!

[714guy]

Originally posted by Simon Lin
Hi 714guy,

Are Hella foglights fits the Brabus bumper without any mods?Does it go with lines?Can you help buy one set of Hella foglights?I need one.Thank you very much!

Yep the Hella lights i bought fit the bumper, but the mounting will have to be modified on the bumper. But the size of the fog light is the same as the Brabus one.

[MrSpace]

Originally posted by 714guy
All we need is 2 more, I will see if my cousin wants one. Only if i had extra cash i'd just do it. I should really take a class in mold making at school so i can do it my self, that'll be so cool.

I studied 3 years in composite materials doing molds and molding parts in fiber/carbon/kevlar/etc

that was very nice:)

But for a bumper, you need to get urethane because glassfiber is way too fragile if you bump it...

Etienne

[Simon Lin]

Originally posted by 714guy
Yep the Hella lights i bought fit the bumper, but the mounting will have to be modified on the bumper. But the size of the fog light is the same as the Brabus one.
Can you help buy one set?How can I contact with you in private?My personal message is disable.simon@beantech.com.Thnaks again.

[trbcivic]

Is this GB still going on?

I want in if it's ok

I have a updated body, can I just buy a used older bumper and put it on?

Do I need anything else?

BTW: If I use the older front bumper will it match th rest of the body lines/moldings?

Please email me eddie0881@hotmail.com

Thanks

Eddie

[c_lee]

you are probably better off making the brabus fit your existing bumper.

its gonna look weird if your front bumper is really close to the body, and yet your rear bumper is sticking out in the back.




Originally posted by trbcivic
Is this GB still going on?

I want in if it's ok

I have a updated body, can I just buy a used older bumper and put it on?

Do I need anything else?

BTW: If I use the older front bumper will it match th rest of the body lines/moldings?

Please email me eddie0881@hotmail.com

Thanks

Eddie

[714guy]

Originally posted by trbcivic
Is this GB still going on?

I want in if it's ok

I have a updated body, can I just buy a used older bumper and put it on?

Do I need anything else?

BTW: If I use the older front bumper will it match th rest of the body lines/moldings?

Please email me eddie0881@hotmail.com

Thanks

Eddie

I am going start on it this weekend, since the rain finally stopped in Socal, I 'll keep this thread updated with cost and info once i get an exact number and everything finalized.

[KenzBenz]

Originally posted by MrSpace
I studied 3 years in composite materials doing molds and molding parts in fiber/carbon/kevlar/etc

that was very nice:)

But for a bumper, you need to get urethane because glassfiber is way too fragile if you bump it...

Etienne

exactly how fragile?

and 714guy post us with updates. =)

[Kswiss]

very fragile....my friend's kit would get a new patch of chips everytime he drove to san diego from la area. Also, he ran over a spare tire on the road and it broke the kit in half, but it was a big tire...

[c_lee]

its difficult for the paint to adhese to the fiber glass because its so rigid/brittle. and ya its easy to get cracks on it....

just have to drive carefully. it should look good though.




Originally posted by Kswiss
very fragile....my friend's kit would get a new patch of chips everytime he drove to san diego from la area. Also, he ran over a spare tire on the road and it broke the kit in half, but it was a big tire...

[MikeL]

Whats the deal on this? It just died or what? I want a Brabus kit..

[Kswiss]

dont we all..

[ryhi]

updates????

[714guy]

Not enough solid interest, so i dont want to waste my time if not everyone is sure on it. It goin to Cost $$$$ and a lot of my time, and i only have about 3-4 people interested.

[FreeStyler]

Well put me on the list for now, and make it 5 people interested.....

[BLKc230]

6

[c_lee]

anyone know what kind of quality replica this is going to be??

[BangnBenz]

Hell yea like i said down for sure, so thats 7, and i have a buddy with a c36 that is prolly down so 7 with me, i will find out for sure about him that would make 8.

[blink]

email me at blink94080@yahoo.com or call 562-489-4867

[frankthetank_86]

Make it 9 or 10 i think cause I am ready and have the 100 bucks deposit let me know.

come on guys I really want one of these kits!!

[blink]

how much will it cost for everything

[714guy]

Originally posted by blink
how much will it cost for everything

$300 just for the Front Bumper, Updated the first post go and Check it out.

[blink]

where cn i get the rear and the side skirts.thanks

[hvmercy]

I'm still in.

714guy: you better put up a list.

thanks.

[714guy]

Originally posted by blink
where cn i get the rear and the side skirts.thanks

I Have a C36 Rear, if this goes well i will be replicating that too for the same price. As for the Sideskirt, i don't know yet b/c the cost per side is alot, so i don't really think it'll be worth it. Let me check with L&S first. Alternative is the updated skirts or paint the black part since the Front isn't that low.

[blink]

would it ift a 1994 c 280.where can i get the rear and the side skirts could you help me to get those too.email me at blink94080@yahoo.com thanks

[VIP_MBZ]

Originally posted by Kswiss
very fragile....my friend's kit would get a new patch of chips everytime he drove to san diego from la area. Also, he ran over a spare tire on the road and it broke the kit in half, but it was a big tire...

I've used fiberglass kits from Bomex, and they aren't as fragile as people say. I've scraped the bottom on a driveway without affecting the rest of the bumper. You should really avoid running over tires regardless of what front bumper you have. Paint chips are mostly determined by the quality of the paint. You can't spend $200 on paint and expect it to be as good as stock. The cars with fiberglass bumpers we've sent through Little John's Bodyworks have not suffered from any rock chips, cracking, or fading, but expect to pay $500-700 to properly paint the bumper.

-Ray

[714guy]

They are in Production. I'll keep you guys updated. I am guessing mid December they'll be ready for shipping/pickup.

[ruffino28]

i want one is that too late

[rollinrealbig]

Originally posted by nokia8860
Ima post my bumper for 714guys cuz he is nice enough to try to help ppl out.

http://www.joeyandmona.com/albums/album20/MVC_451F.sized.jpg

This is the brabus bumper. Now look at your bumper (i wont address sport bumpers here. we're talking elegance) Notice that most of your bumper is body colour and the top portion is gray (or some other colour and it has chrom trim on it as well. Well that different colour and chrome trim comes off. And you put this part along with the assorted bumper guides onto the brabus bumper and there ya have it.

Now for the model updated ppl.

Your bumpers are ugly (yes they are get over it) and they are also bigger. The brabus bumper was designed for the cooler and tighter fitting pre updated bumper. You can fit your top portion to the brabus bumper but be forewarned... it will stick out more and have some overhangs on some parts simply because the model updated bumper is bigger.

Here is a model updated 202 with brabus bumper.

https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s73919382.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn153e2581bba4521/bs_shopdata/img/W202.jpg

Now here is my pre updated car with preupdated top portion with brabus bumper.

http://www.club202.com/nokia8860/fisheye.jpg

Tighter to the body and better looking.

So it will work regardless of what bumper you have. If you bring it to a body shop they can figure out how to mount it. If you do it yourself it would help that you have a better than surface understanding of bodywork to help you put it on your car.

Either way we should give props to 714 for doing this now its up to you guys to put your money where your interconnection meets the road.

Now 714 I better get a free copy :p



I want that !!! where do i buy ? and how much is the breakdown ? like skirts and each bumper seperate. let me kno. thanks.

[714guy]

Originally posted by rollinrealbig
I want that !!! where do i buy ? and how much is the breakdown ? like skirts and each bumper seperate. let me kno. thanks.

I am currently geting the Front made right now, and that is $300 + 150 if you want a CF lip. I also have an AMG C36 rear, that i would make if there is enough interest. For the side skirts, I am trying to find a better source, b/c if i made those they would cost way too much. If you want the front let me know, email me 714guy at sbcglobal . net. I should have some ready by mid-december.

[KenzBenz]

keep up with the updates =)

[frankthetank_86]

How would it look with WALD side skirts?

[714guy]

Originally posted by frankthetank_86
How would it look with WALD side skirts?

I think they'll be to curvy for the brabus front. I'd try to find soem updated side skirts, those will probably be the best alternative.

[rollinrealbig]

if you post pix of the CF lip, that be cool.

also i want to see the rear bumper that you sell, and any side skirts too.


thanks!

[714guy]

Originally posted by rollinrealbig
if you post pix of the CF lip, that be cool.

also i want to see the rear bumper that you sell, and any side skirts too.


thanks!

I have not made the CF lip bumper yet. The rear that I *might* make and sell is the C36 AMG rear (same one on the silver car above). I dont have any side skirts at the moment, but i could get them made, but they will cost alot.

anyways here is a PS of what the CF lip would look like, you just paint the grey part the color of your car.

http://www.jcomotorsports.com/mycar/Cf_lip_render.jpg

[rollinrealbig]

ummmm, i think i like it without the fiber...

[KenzBenz]

mmm looking hot, without the CF lip that is
but it might look better if the lip wasnt so big. Should make it like how E36 M3 bumpers have that small plastic trim underneath the bumper...

[rollinrealbig]

yea yea ^^^

that bumper really reminds me of the bumpers you see on 96' VW jetta.

my mom had 4 of them ... they all got totalled - thats crazy!

[714guy]

Originally posted by KenzBenz
mmm looking hot, without the CF lip that is
but it might look better if the lip wasnt so big. Should make it like how E36 M3 bumpers have that small plastic trim underneath the bumper...

Well, I see what you mean, but you can paint it exposing as much or as little as you like. I might just have to make a splitter type thing.

[c_lee]

so have you made the replica kits and are selling them now?


if so how much?



Originally posted by 714guy
Well, I see what you mean, but you can paint it exposing as much or as little as you like. I might just have to make a splitter type thing.

[714guy]

Originally posted by c_lee
so have you made the replica kits and are selling them now?


if so how much?

the mold is being made for the front. Its going to be 300.

[KenzBenz]

Originally posted by 714guy
Well, I see what you mean, but you can paint it exposing as much or as little as you like. I might just have to make a splitter type thing.
splitter is a better idea i think, that way your not wasting carbon fiber when you are just gonna paint over it

[frankthetank_86]

So are they almost done already!!

[714guy]

Soon, i just talked to the shop today, the mold is done, so a few more weeks and i will have the bumpers. I'll keep you guys updated.

[714guy]

Updated, Got one piece today. After triming and fitting it will be going to Blink.

[714guy]

UPDATED: Pictures of it Trimmed and Fitted on Preupdated bumper. That'll be probably the last update for the next two weeks. I have to hit the Books. Email me if you have an questions, and I will try to respond ASAP. 714guy @ sbcglobal.net

Peace out.

[Mr.S]

If anybody is interested in a original Brabus bumper, my friend has one for sell. Original and with the original lights.


http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3053/bumper2ir.jpg


you can reach him here:

galerie@w202-freunde.de

[hvmercy]

Originally posted by Mr.S
If anybody is interested in a original Brabus bumper, my friend has one for sell. Original and with the original lights.


you can reach him here:

galerie@w202-freunde.de

I Sent your friend email

thanks for the heads up.

(i'm in Oregon right now, on my way to Vancouver BC - damn
it's freakin cold here 25degF :D )

[714guy]

Updated with pictures of my Cousin's Car. :) :)

[ryhi]

looking good looking good!! hey do u have a paint hookup?? i need to get my kit painted!!

[714guy]

Originally posted by ryhi
looking good looking good!! hey do u have a paint hookup?? i need to get my kit painted!!

Call up Jon at Auto Network. 1.626.272.3611. He doesn't do replica kits though, so I'd bring by the kit first and ask him. He did the Frabus b/c its didn't need any work. He does really fast and good work for an excellent price. I'll be bringing in my front real soon for paint too ;) ;)

[97C28O]

Are you only going to make reps for the 10 people? What about the rear bumper?

[ryhi]

Originally posted by 714guy
Call up Jon at Auto Network. 1.626.272.3611. He doesn't do replica kits though, so I'd bring by the kit first and ask him. He did the Frabus b/c its didn't need any work. He does really fast and good work for an excellent price. I'll be bringing in my front real soon for paint too ;) ;)

let me know when u go

[714guy]

Originally posted by 97C28O
Are you only going to make reps for the 10 people? What about the rear bumper?

I am making 10 first, then more later if needed. As for the rear, I have a brand new AMG rear bumper that i might mold if i get enough interest.

[polar202]

It looks very good!!

[Kw202]

N/M

[Kw202]

Has anyone put on a bumper they bought from 714 guy? I'd like to see more pictures of how it turned out (fitment, look, the grill, etc.)

Thanks

[e210benz]

714guy you got anymore of the brabus front bumpers? i might want one in the neae future

[714guy]

I am planning on heading up to the Bay area April 21-23, so if you bay area peeps want one let me know.

[97C28O]

Are you only making the front right now?

[714guy]

Originally posted by 97C28O
Are you only making the front right now?

Yeah, I don't have the Brabus Brabus rear or skirts. I do have the AMG (C36) rear i might make, depending how much demand there is.

[Superpnoy]

hey 714guy, am i still on the list for the brabus front bumper? let me know sir if you still have any, i can pick it up this week, sorry i havent been on the forum for awhile

[Kw202]

Just picked up the BRABUS bumper and it looks great. I'm excited to get it painted and installed. Thanks Jason.

On a side note, I have an REAL Lorinser bumper. It's got a few rock chips and a few cracks, all repairable, one of the fog lights is cracked, and I'm not sure if the passenger side metal screw bracket is still in tact, never tried to reconnect it. It's usualy valued around 800-1000 dollars, I'll sell it for dirt cheap. Asking 150, email me for pictures. I have the original booklet that came with the bumper. It was installed around 1995. Let me know.

[duboduce]

hey km202 i sent you an email

[Kw202]

My hotmail account was closed, so send emails to kdoane12@yahoo.com. I'll have pics up sometime this week, after I have my new bumper on so i can take interior shots of the bumper and everything.

[unlimited111]

714guy can you get anymore brabus front bumpers, i need one for my c280 any help would be greatly appreciated. I read all the messages and was pissed to miss out on a deal like that, please contact me at c280man@hotmail.com thank you.

[MikeL]

Would you be interested in trading a brand new Rieger front lip for one? :D If not let me know, I am interested in getting one.

[714guy]

Originally posted by MikeL
Would you be interested in trading a brand new Rieger front lip for one? :D If not let me know, I am interested in getting one.

No thanks I have that on my car right now. :D :D

[rollinrealbig]

out of curiousity ... are they still avail. or ... ?

I just went through the pictures and really want one since my other plan didnt work out.

[714guy]

Originally posted by rollinrealbig
out of curiousity ... are they still avail. or ... ?

I just went through the pictures and really want one since my other plan didnt work out.

yeah, just email me. 714guy at sbcglobal dot net

[97C28O]

Anyone fitted the bumpers? How is the quality?

[714guy]

ONLY ONE LEFT - $275 + shipping.

[FromanL278]

which one is it is it the final pictures or does it look like the first 3 or so??? Cuz i may be interested and im in the oc

[DarkC230K]

hi everyone
im selling my brabus replica i bought from 714guy. did not fit my 99c230k. too busy right now . spending time with my new baby boy. painted it black already. only $250 please pm if your interested.
thanx

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by DarkC230K
hi everyone
im selling my brabus replica i bought from 714guy. did not fit my 99c230k. too busy right now . spending time with my new baby boy. painted it black already. only $250 please pm if your interested.
thanx

if you invest 150 or so more dollars, it will fit, I promise!...all you need is a pre-update skeleton. Search my username and you'll see what I mean

[rman]

Originally posted by DarkC230K
hi everyone
im selling my brabus replica i bought from 714guy. did not fit my 99c230k. too busy right now . spending time with my new baby boy. painted it black already. only $250 please pm if your interested.
thanx

damn. if i only had 250.

[RemoLexi]

which ever one becomes cheaper for me ill take either one.

[Corban Dallas]

I got my "frabus" bumper yesterday. Me likey very much. I will post pics once the car gets a new rear bumper and goes in for paint and the like.

[Markland556]

Wow, i think i know what im getting for x-mas. These are still available right? Whats the update on the rear bumper looking like...:D

[714guy]

Originally posted by Markland556
Wow, i think i know what im getting for x-mas. These are still available right? Whats the update on the rear bumper looking like...:D

I only have one left, First one to send me money gets it. $275 + shipping.

Not making the rear since there isn't too much interest.

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by 714guy
I only have one left, First one to send me money gets it. $275 + shipping.

Not making the rear since there isn't too much interest.

Jason...

can we start a new thread and see if we can get interest?...maybe all the new members on the board will want a bit of the action (including myself)

[Markland556]

God dam... I dont get paid for another 2 weeks.. Is there any way it can be put on hold?

[714guy]

Originally posted by OCKlasse
Jason...

can we start a new thread and see if we can get interest?...maybe all the new members on the board will want a bit of the action (including myself)

you can a start a new thread for me if you'd like. But this time i need 10 deposits before I'll even start touching this project. My time is very limit these days, but will work on the project if there is commited interest.

this is for the C36 rear bumper.

[Markland556]

Do the bumpers come with the little grill insert things? Or where do i get those.. and the foglights..

[Corban Dallas]

The foglights are Hella 450 series lamps. Mine are on their way:) Jason, if you are gonna make a c36 rear let me know!!!

[Markland556]

what about the grill thing in the bumper?

[OCKlasse]

Originally posted by Markland556
what about the grill thing in the bumper?

it comes from your existing preupdate bumper...it's an integrated piece

[Markland556]

Originally posted by OCKlasse
it comes from your existing preupdate bumper...it's an integrated piece

haha, ok, just a little slow over here... LOL:D

[|27|]

are the bumpers all out???

[714guy]

Originally posted by |27|
are the bumpers all out???

still have them, email 714guy at sbcglobal . net

[|27|]

714guy, i pm~ed u

[714guy]

Originally posted by |27|
714guy, i pm~ed u

please email me, i didn't get the PM.

Thanks

jason