Im going to TURBO my W202!!

[SLAMMED_C]

hey slammed, I tried looking up DTC, but no dice, mind pointing my in the right direction for those steering wheels?

They used to have an bay site.. cant seem to find it. but I found their own website.. http://www.dctms.com/product_ST_Mercedes_W210.html
it is actually a W21o steering wheel as I have the multifunction steering wheel upgrade in my w202.

[Pagz]

Gotcha, its annoying working around the import laws. Because of them we can only bring in an sell stuff that's at least 25 years old or more which doesn't do me any good. it sucks to tell someone that you can;t get them an s15 or R34. Nature of the beast I suppose. There is still a demand for classic stuff and a lot of ended up in your back yard. If I ever have to go to NZ to get some cars I may have to drop by and buy you a pint.

Yeh sure anytime man!,things have just to post 2005 here now,so no more 202's at all...or much of anything interesting actually!!...prices of used cars will rise...along with emissions!,until they end up routinly testing for emissions people are going to hold onto second hand cars.

[Pagz]

Not much new on this end. havent had a chance to work on my car much the past little bit. tried to last weekend but it was -12 outside.. so got frozen fast! hopefully in the next couple weeks I'll get back at it. we've had some odd weather lately,.. -2 to -8 and snowy one day, then plus 2 out the next! odd winter. but I like how mild its been.
I did have a chance to fit my boost pipe (picked it up from the welder a few weeks back) so it is now mounted from the turbo exit to the intercooler. have to snap some pics of it. and im glad to say that metallic noise is gone with the boost pipe in place.
I'm still having an issue with the throttle body.. not actuating still. I connected my das and checked out some values.. it seems my potentiometer values in the throttle body are ready correctly.. the values were reversed to what they were supposed to be.. so Im maybe thinking my wiring got messed up when I modifed my harness..
a question I have for the w202 kompressor guys is can you check what colour wire goes into what pin on the thrttle body plug? the wiring diagrams are no help as they dont list the correct pin locations in the plug.. the numbers donw match up. Id really appreciate it if someone was able to check that for me. once I get that sorted out I think my throttle issues will be no more.

I need to remove my front calipers (so I can get new brackets custom machined), I was going to remove them last weekend but it was just too cold outside.
that should be an easy task at a good machine shop.

not much else to report on rght now.. not a whole lot left to do to get the car mobile. intercooler needs to be filled with coolant and bled out. save that for a warmer day though. the check list is getting smaller.
it looks like I'll be good for this year... I just want to drive this car so bad!!

Yo!
Hmmm thats just a tad cold haha,I'll have to forgive you for lack of progress^^
I think i ave my original plug that went into my DBW TB,is that of any help?
Hmm your car is 99,didnt all post 98(and some 97) have the digital climate control?...can you easily change between the two types or does the digital one require some sort of additional control modual?

Good to here things are still moving and the metalic noise was just resonating sound from the charge pipes!!

[SLAMMED_C]

Yo!
Hmmm thats just a tad cold haha,I'll have to forgive you for lack of progress^^
I think i ave my original plug that went into my DBW TB,is that of any help?
Hmm your car is 99,didnt all post 98(and some 97) have the digital climate control?...can you easily change between the two types or does the digital one require some sort of additional control modual?

Good to here things are still moving and the metalic noise was just resonating sound from the charge pipes!!

ha ha thanks!! tried to work on my car again this weekend.. again it was cold.. minus 2, but with the wind it felt like minus 10! so after a couple hours of doing some wiring (running dedicated fused lines from my fuse box to my boost controller and my a/f gauge) I packed up and left. I just need it to warm up a little bit!
Yes that may help heaps if the wires are still in the plug!! if you can dig it out and let me know Id really appreciate it Paul.
no.. for some reason the kompressor cars (any Ive seen here, the 1999 ones) have the manual climate control with the 2 dials.. I think it would be way too much work to try and fit a digital one in there.
I know.. I'm glad the metallic noise is gone too! slowly getting there.. 3 major things to get done.. my throttle issue, fill my intercooler circuit and test it, brake caliper bracket. once thats done the remaining things sound be pretty simple.
keep everyone posted.

[SD202]

ha ha thanks!! tried to work on my car again this weekend.. again it was cold.. minus 2, but with the wind it felt like minus 10! so after a couple hours of doing some wiring (running dedicated fused lines from my fuse box to my boost controller and my a/f gauge) I packed up and left. I just need it to warm up a little bit!
Yes that may help heaps if the wires are still in the plug!! if you can dig it out and let me know Id really appreciate it Paul.
no.. for some reason the kompressor cars (any Ive seen here, the 1999 ones) have the manual climate control with the 2 dials.. I think it would be way too much work to try and fit a digital one in there.
I know.. I'm glad the metallic noise is gone too! slowly getting there.. 3 major things to get done.. my throttle issue, fill my intercooler circuit and test it, brake caliper bracket. once thats done the remaining things sound be pretty simple.
keep everyone posted.

-10 !!! holy moly and i thought it was bad down here in SoCal where everyone is complaining about it being 40 degrees at night. People complain about not being able to go out for a smoke without having to put on a sweater first HAHA I couldnt imagine -10 much less working on my car in that weather !

[SLAMMED_C]

sooooo... I've got some good news. I figured out my throttle body issue. I had 4 wires backwards, ened up figuring it out after playing around with it for a couple hours. I also found a broken wire, this might be from be continuously removing pins and putting them back in. so I've decided to make a new harness for the throttle body, its only 6 wires and I can run them pretty easily from the fuse box at the fuel computer. I got the car to idle correctly and it actually reved up when I hit the gas! sorry no vid yet though as a wire broke and I had to just leave it for now. getting a new throttle body connector this week and I'll make up the harness. other problem now is it was running lean and it kind of sputtered when I reved it. so have to look at the fuel pressure regulator, adjust the fuel pressure possibly. another thing to figure out
I finally removed my front calipers too, need to find a machine shop to fab up a set of caliper brackets for me to pivot the caliper higher up to clear the sway bar.
a/f ratio gauge and the boost pressure gauge work, and also the boost controller works.. need to set it up though. have some reading to do!
hope to get back working on her is a couple weeks, get some more things done in between then and get some vids up of her running right!

[dokotela]

ross, that is excellent news. i've been following the goings on, or lack of it(lol), for too long. need to get that car running now. just got back from abroad and looking to complete my car as well. good luck with the rest of it. fingers crossed buddy. also looking forward to seeing what u gonna do with those caliper brackets. post pics as u go along

[SLAMMED_C]

ross, that is excellent news. i've been following the goings on, or lack of it(lol), for too long. need to get that car running now. just got back from abroad and looking to complete my car as well. good luck with the rest of it. fingers crossed buddy. also looking forward to seeing what u gonna do with those caliper brackets. post pics as u go along

haha.. well it is coming to the end.. its been a long road but I can really see some light at the end of this tunnel!
I will keep everyone posted about the brake caliper brackets.
in the mean time here is my wood trim.. basically its done. I have one more piece to clear, but these are the main bits.. pics dont really show how good it looks.. but hopefully you can see it a bit.

[Nine Four One]

So effing sick.....epic build man

[Pagz]

sooooo... I've got some good news. I figured out my throttle body issue. I had 4 wires backwards, ened up figuring it out after playing around with it for a couple hours. I also found a broken wire, this might be from be continuously removing pins and putting them back in. so I've decided to make a new harness for the throttle body, its only 6 wires and I can run them pretty easily from the fuse box at the fuel computer. I got the car to idle correctly and it actually reved up when I hit the gas! sorry no vid yet though as a wire broke and I had to just leave it for now. getting a new throttle body connector this week and I'll make up the harness. other problem now is it was running lean and it kind of sputtered when I reved it. so have to look at the fuel pressure regulator, adjust the fuel pressure possibly. another thing to figure out
I finally removed my front calipers too, need to find a machine shop to fab up a set of caliper brackets for me to pivot the caliper higher up to clear the sway bar.
a/f ratio gauge and the boost pressure gauge work, and also the boost controller works.. need to set it up though. have some reading to do!
hope to get back working on her is a couple weeks, get some more things done in between then and get some vids up of her running right!

Thats awesome news!. Sorry man, I forgot to get you my plug details(work has totally consumed me) When i ran the turbo setup on stock fueling and ecu it all ran ok,was as smooth as stock,except when you had moderate load at ~6psi,then it would cut power,I assume that it knocked and the ecu cut it back. but it never had any idle or cruise problems,and WOT was fine ,but possibly only because it was in open loop.

Could your lean part be the increase in TB size,or a mismatch in TPS?. do you have to calibrate the throttle position to the ECU when installing a new TB even a direct replacement item?

The FRP should still be set at around 43psi!.

[SLAMMED_C]

Soooo...
I'll let the vid speak for itself..

http://youtu.be/-GB8wztJIIw

I finally got everything running right. ended up setting fuel pressure around 40PSI using my 600cc injectors.. it was always running too lean (under load) with the stock injectors even with FP up to 60psi!
so the 600cc's went in and its running pretty nice so far.
need to call a fabricator up tomorrow to get these caliper brackets started.

Engine pic:

Thats awesome news!. Sorry man, I forgot to get you my plug details(work has totally consumed me) When i ran the turbo setup on stock fueling and ecu it all ran ok,was as smooth as stock,except when you had moderate load at ~6psi,then it would cut power,I assume that it knocked and the ecu cut it back. but it never had any idle or cruise problems,and WOT was fine ,but possibly only because it was in open loop.

Could your lean part be the increase in TB size,or a mismatch in TPS?. do you have to calibrate the throttle position to the ECU when installing a new TB even a direct replacement item?

The FRP should still be set at around 43psi!.

no worries Paul, I figured it out. I cant get it to run well with the stock injectors at all.. always runs too lean.
it is possible, but the intake pipe is the same diameter as it was previously, just the throttle flap is larger. with my star I have relearned the throttle stops to make it work. as far as I know there is no way to calibrate the throttle position. I would think the MAS would just be able to adapt as it is seeing the volume of air.
everything seems good at the moment though. I'll see how it runs like it is.

[Pagz]

AWSOME!
Thats really wierd you cant run it with stock injectors?,I definitly ran on mine!...I would have thought it would have been worse with 600cc ones!? be very careful with WOT(open loop) the ecu will expect to see 280cc...it may just run really rich!

Just incase(only because i did this initially) did you disconnect the FRP vaccum to set up the pressure?...if not that could be your problem with stock injectors.
I did mine by bypassing the fuel relay and setting it up with the engine off...however im sure its just as easy to remove the vaccum and plug up the hose into the plenum while you adjust to ~43psi.

[SLAMMED_C]

AWSOME!
Thats really wierd you cant run it with stock injectors?,I definitly ran on mine!...I would have thought it would have been worse with 600cc ones!? be very careful with WOT(open loop) the ecu will expect to see 280cc...it may just run really rich!

Just incase(only because i did this initially) did you disconnect the FRP vaccum to set up the pressure?...if not that could be your problem with stock injectors.
I did mine by bypassing the fuel relay and setting it up with the engine off...however im sure its just as easy to remove the vaccum and plug up the hose into the plenum while you adjust to ~43psi.

I know.. I dont get it either. Im always runnning at 13.8-14.7 on my a/f gauge with the stock injectors.. when I rev it up it continuously goes lean, 15-20. I tried adjusting it up to 60psi, started at 40psi.. could never get it to run rich or closer to 10-12.
so I swapped in the 600cc ones and it runs at 9.8-10, and stayes around that when I rev it up.
I set it up with the vacuum hose off and the manifold plugged. Im going to see if I can adjust the injection timing with my das. maybe help fix it. I dont mind running rich.. but its a bit too rich!
Im also gong to repl the front stock o2 sensor as well. see what happens.

[dokotela]

brilliant, just brilliant Ross. that smile must be hard to contain i'm sure.

[Pagz]

Hmmm, it will run very lean when there is no load(or boost) that's pretty normal!. Yeh 10 is to rich even under WOT!.
If you cannot run the stock injectors and have good idle something is wrong,maybe the fuel is too old? how long since you last refreshed it?,I used to drain mine if it was longer than 3 months,the fuel turns an off yellow colour.
I would be running the stockers until you sort the idle problem,drive it nicely to the local then run it up on a dyno and see whats going on,you really need somone loading it while they listen to knock!

[SLAMMED_C]

brilliant, just brilliant Ross. that smile must be hard to contain i'm sure.

Its a great feeling! be even better when I'm driving.
hows your build coming Naushad?

Hmmm, it will run very lean when there is no load(or boost) that's pretty normal!. Yeh 10 is to rich even under WOT!.
If you cannot run the stock injectors and have good idle something is wrong,maybe the fuel is too old? how long since you last refreshed it?,I used to drain mine if it was longer than 3 months,the fuel turns an off yellow colour.
I would be running the stockers until you sort the idle problem,drive it nicely to the local then run it up on a dyno and see whats going on,you really need somone loading it while they listen to knock!

Really.. hmmm.. maybe I should put the stock injectors back in.
it idles great, it just always leans out when you rev it up (with stock injectors). Id be happy with around 12 at WOT!
so you think I have other issues. were you running stand alone and the stock injectors or the stock ME controlling them?
hmmm.. uuummmm.. my gas is OLD! its the same gas from like 2 years ago when I parked it! I did put fuel stabilizer in the tank when I originally parked it. but I cant see it lasting for any more than a year. so fuel might be my issue.
I guess I chuck the stockies back in and just wait till I get her back on the ground to drive it around. see what readings I get. also a dyno would be good too.
Thanks Paul.

[dokotela]

believe me that first drive is gonna me memorable.

well i'm driving mine around from time to time. but the tuning isnt anywhere close where i would like it to be. at WOT there are no issues but at idle its very rich, so its either another tune or change the ecu for something with more tuning sites.

2yrs is a damn long time for fuel to be standing around Ross. needs to be changed a.s.a.p. i'm sure you're gonna have different results with new/fresh fuel.

[dokotela]

http://youtu.be/vMQ2iDVlaBs

not the best of vids or camera work but you get the idea....lol

[Pagz]

He he,I'm suprised the pump can push it to the injectors after 2 years xD does the stabilizer stop it from crystallizing?

Yep I ran the entire stock system initially at ~6psi,with only problems at part throttle moderate - heavy loading,which im pretty confident was knock control cutting power,felt like ASR cutting in.

I managed to accidentally do a WOT run at about 14psi,which didn't blow it up but i think that's why my stock pistons have a hot spot that burnt straight through all the carbon xD.

Naushad,the engine sounds awsome,congrats on getting that all running!,you should get her in for a tune if you think its running to rich you wouldn't want to wash it dry,make sure your oil doesnt smell of fuel!.

[dokotela]

yeah Paul, i need to do another tune but i'm not convinced that the ecu is the right choice. i check the oil constantly...thanks
hopefully more vids coming soon.

[MikeD]

http://youtu.be/vMQ2iDVlaBs

not the best of vids or camera work but you get the idea....lol

And here I thought I was the only one with that head unit... car sounds awesome!

[dokotela]

And here I thought I was the only one with that head unit... car sounds awesome!

pioneer MVH is cool. thanks Mike.

[dokotela]

@Paul

you know, i've just watched your video on your car, again...lol
man, the attention to detail is amazing.
take a bow man, your work is epic.
its that sort of mastery that keeps us 202'ers pursuing.

its almost like a quest for glory...lol

take a bow Paul, you deserve to more than any of us........

but damn you for setting the bar that high...lol

[zmatt]

Nice video, car sounds beast under load. Also, there is no such thing as a better tune lol. How did you manage a 3.0L btw?

[SLAMMED_C]

believe me that first drive is gonna me memorable.

well i'm driving mine around from time to time. but the tuning isnt anywhere close where i would like it to be. at WOT there are no issues but at idle its very rich, so its either another tune or change the ecu for something with more tuning sites.

2yrs is a damn long time for fuel to be standing around Ross. needs to be changed a.s.a.p. i'm sure you're gonna have different results with new/fresh fuel.

Well I dont doubt that my first drive in her will be memorable! I just cant wait for that day.
What ECU are you using now? I'm thinking to either us Haltech or Motec when I go stand alone.
haha.. yeh I know.. waaay too long for it to be sitting around. I put stabilizer in the fuel to keep it from going bad and I guess maybe crystalizing. fresh gas will be put in when I get around to needing to start it again. and I hope that is my only issue!

http://youtu.be/vMQ2iDVlaBs

not the best of vids or camera work but you get the idea....lol

Damn that sounds like fun! need more vids Naushad!

He he,I'm suprised the pump can push it to the injectors after 2 years xD does the stabilizer stop it from crystallizing?

Yep I ran the entire stock system initially at ~6psi,with only problems at part throttle moderate - heavy loading,which im pretty confident was knock control cutting power,felt like ASR cutting in.

I managed to accidentally do a WOT run at about 14psi,which didn't blow it up but i think that's why my stock pistons have a hot spot that burnt straight through all the carbon xD.

Naushad,the engine sounds awsome,congrats on getting that all running!,you should get her in for a tune if you think its running to rich you wouldn't want to wash it dry,make sure your oil doesnt smell of fuel!.

I will drain the fuel out and put fresh in. I hope that is my only issue with it not running richer at idle.. and I hope under boost its all good too! haha.. so far so good.. the pump is a champ! I guess it does stop the fuel from crystalizing.. and I think it somehow helps stop losing its octane rating. Im pretty sure on the bottle though it said only for use up to 1 year.. so I think im past the prime!

@Paul

you know, i've just watched your video on your car, again...lol
man, the attention to detail is amazing.
take a bow man, your work is epic.
its that sort of mastery that keeps us 202'ers pursuing.

its almost like a quest for glory...lol

take a bow Paul, you deserve to more than any of us........

but damn you for setting the bar that high...lol

Paul set the bar damn high with his car.. too high!

Nice video, car sounds beast under load. Also, there is no such thing as a better tune lol. How did you manage a 3.0L btw?

Im pretty sure its a 1JZ Supra motor in there.


@ Naushad.. Ill see what info I can get on the crank sensor for you.